Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

Carbon monoxide was not banned back then. You can't fault a rider taking something that wasn't banned, lol.

You can call someone truthfulness into question for pretending one day (July 16 2024) that he's never heard about it and the day after (July 17 2024) admit that he's done it, though.

 

[zlev11]

I don't see the logic you're trying to present. How is it connected to doping between Tadej and Rozman that Ineos got ''gifted'' two stages?

Arensman did 6.38 w/kg on La Plagne, it's more like Pogacar lent Ineos some of his dope than let them win

 

[pelotonIQ]

Arensman did 6.38 w/kg on La Plagne, it's more like Pogacar lent Ineos some of his dope than let them win

Arensman isn't a peloton filler, he is a very good rider in his own right.

 

[zlev11]

Arensman isn't a peloton filler, he is a very good rider in his own right.

still that performance is an outlier from the rest of his career

 

[pelotonIQ]

still that performance is an outlier from the rest of his career

I haven't taken a deeper look at his numbers, but it's the Tour, this is where everyone presents the best verion of themselves, considering he is only 25 still improving and growing, obviously his numbers will have improved compared to past performances.

 

[peterfin]

still that performance is an outlier from the rest of his career

Watts2win list it as a 6.22 w/kg effort in 50 min. Still, with that effort he is the 4th best performing climber this year and the 7th best climber since 2009 according to the statistics of watts2win. Only Pogacar, Vingegaard, Evenepoel, Simon Yates, Roglic and Contador did better.

 

[Extinction]

I had exactly the same thought.

You only have to look at his facial expression during the other questions and then his facial expression during the doping question.

He was frozen and just thought “***, now it's getting awkward, what do I have to say? what am I allowed to say?”

should i say again that i have no idea about carbon monoxide, even though i have taken it?

He contradicts himself in the very first sentence.
“I don't know anything about this case.” Then he says he has heard something about it. You can see how nervous he gets inside.
When asked if he knows Rozman well, he really starts to hesitate and think about what to say and then says he doesn't know him that well. Funnily enough, he grabs his nose right afterwards. Perhaps the best known sign in body language when a person is lying. Funnily enough, he also very often grabs his nose just before his seated attacks.

I wonder if it's no coincidence that Pog "gave" Ineos two stages after the case with Rozman became known.

He also said he ready something about it, then said "not read" but "heard" about the case. So he thinks he read about something, then changes his story. Not credible.

 

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[SorelyBoy]

I had exactly the same thought.

You only have to look at his facial expression during the other questions and then his facial expression during the doping question.

He was frozen and just thought “***, now it's getting awkward, what do I have to say? what am I allowed to say?”

should i say again that i have no idea about carbon monoxide, even though i have taken it?

He contradicts himself in the very first sentence.
“I don't know anything about this case.” Then he says he has heard something about it. You can see how nervous he gets inside.
When asked if he knows Rozman well, he really starts to hesitate and think about what to say and then says he doesn't know him that well. Funnily enough, he grabs his nose right afterwards. Perhaps the best known sign in body language when a person is lying. Funnily enough, he also very often grabs his nose just before his seated attacks.

I wonder if it's no coincidence that Pog "gave" Ineos two stages after the case with Rozman became known.

Very possible, although I think it just as likely that Gianetti told Pogacar to reel it in a bit and let some other riders have their day in the sun. Arensman was the guy who happened to grab his opportunity. Either way, Pogacar’s more conservative rides over the last few days have been down to politics and feck all to do with him being unwell. That explanation is a complete crock of doodoo.

 

[SorelyBoy]

So much obsession with seated accelerations. Any of these guys can do 10W/kg seated, Pogacar is just naturally better at seated power than most and he's fresher than everyone.

And yes, there's probably a lot going on with peptides and intracellular doping as well. You basically have to upregulate intake of carbohydrates somehow because in scientific studies they basically find little evidence anything of going higher and higher being that great.

And I can guess why!

 

[bNator]

Yes he was. lol. And your point? Pog isn’t? lol. Anyway we are in the right part of the forum.

Not a fan anyway. The discussion was just comparing palmares data.

Wait, are u saying that Merckx benefitted so much from cortisone that is the only reason he has many more classic wins? And that Pog has his clean?! If so, you’re funny.

No I just find it ironic that people who have so much to say against Pog’s (as of yet unproven) doping will use Merckx as yardstick for greatness.

 

[DONCA]

I don't see the logic you're trying to present. How is it connected to doping between Tadej and Rozman that Ineos got ''gifted'' two stages?

If Pogacar is also “treated” by Rozman, he certainly doesn't want to mess things up with other Ineos riders. Leave a few wins to the others and they'll be happy and keep their mouths shut.

And does anyone here still believe in the fairy tale that Pogacar is tired?
The only reason Pogacar hasn't won more races is because he shouldn't have.

Don't make what is obvious too obvious

 

[Ripper]

No I just find it ironic that people who have so much to say against Pog’s (as of yet unproven) doping will use Merckx as yardstick for greatness.

I agree, they should use a non-popped-possibly-non-doper as a reference point. Which would make pogocar even more ridiculous.

 

[Abedfo]

Thank goodness for Wout Van Aert.

 

[pelotonIQ]

If Pogacar is also “treated” by Rozman, he certainly doesn't want to mess things up with other Ineos riders. Leave a few wins to the others and they'll be happy and keep their mouths shut.

And does anyone here still believe in the fairy tale that Pogacar is tired?
The only reason Pogacar hasn't won more races is because he shouldn't have.

Don't make what is obvious too obvious

Where is the connection between Pogacar and Rozman, what makes for speculations that they know/met each other.

You claim that Pogacar looked nervous off of subtle movements but refuse to acknowledge that his face looked tired throughout the 3rd week? Talk about spotting an ant from 1km but not an elephant from 1 meter, lol.

 

[DONCA]

Where is the connection between Pogacar and Rozman, what makes for speculations that they know/met each other.

You claim that Pogacar looked nervous off of subtle movements but refuse to acknowledge that his face looked tired throughout the 3rd week? Talk about spotting an ant from 1km but not an elephant from 1 meter, lol.

Where the connection is?

Several UAE Members are connected with David Rozman. From Sporting Director Andrej Hauptman (and his wife) to Ziga Jerman and Boštjan Kavčnik.

And if you have heard the interview with Pogi then you know that he himself admitted that he knows Rozman (although not "really").

Grabbing your nose when you tell a lie is the first thing you learn about body language.
How is it possible that he pulled Vingegaard up the last mountain himself? How is it possible that he was on the verge of victory today? The fatigue tales were needed to sell the renewed abnormal performances.

 

[SorelyBoy]

No motor today. Makes a difference, doesn’t it?

 

[Abedfo]

No motor today. Makes a difference, doesn’t it?

That's more like the 2023 and prior Pogacar we know. Either no prep or no motor. Or both. I wouldn't be suprised either way.

 

[BullsFan22]

Thank goodness for Wout Van Aert.

Because we know Wout Van Aert is clean!

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Where is the connection between Pogacar and Rozman, what makes for speculations that they know/met each other.

You claim that Pogacar looked nervous off of subtle movements but refuse to acknowledge that his face looked tired throughout the 3rd week? Talk about spotting an ant from 1km but not an elephant from 1 meter, lol.

Confirmed. He looked exhausted today. Getting dropped by WVA and only finishing 4th equals a bad day according to the fan boys.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

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this topic exists because one guy destroys all competition on any terrain all season over multiple years while his 'generational talent' remained mostly hidden until he started riding for the dirtiest management duo in cycling history,
I hoped I summarized it clearly.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Because we know Wout Van Aert is clean!

He could be, this season. I haven't seen 2022-2023 TdF stuff.

 

[Red Rick]

No I just find it ironic that people who have so much to say against Pog’s (as of yet unproven) doping will use Merckx as yardstick for greatness.

Because back then doping in general was much less effective. It was pre epo

 

[kingjr]

He could be, this season. I haven't seen 2022-2023 TdF stuff.

I suppose his crashes last year, particularly at the Vuelta, would be lame excuses.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Where the connection is?

Several UAE Members are connected with David Rozman. From Sporting Director Andrej Hauptman (and his wife) to Ziga Jerman and Boštjan Kavčnik.

And if you have heard the interview with Pogi then you know that he himself admitted that he knows Rozman (although not "really").

Grabbing your nose when you tell a lie is the first thing you learn about body language.
How is it possible that he pulled Vingegaard up the last mountain himself? How is it possible that he was on the verge of victory today? The fatigue tales were needed to sell the renewed abnormal performances.

Well, which is it, does he know him or not? This question isn't definitively answered in your post. If you're going to rely on body language interpretation, then i'll take it as a no, why? Because it's pseudoscience.

Pulled Vingegaard? Tadej rode tempo and Vingegaard was comfortable sitting on his wheel, 0 attacks. As for stage 21 today, he wasn't on the verge of victory, lol. Did you miss when he couldn't follow Wout's attack?