Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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He wasn't stronger because he was using a motor, but because he had been moto paced in training leading up to the race. It's something Javier Sola taught him and which the bald fraud had never heard about. He was only looking back because he's used to there being dangerous traffic out on the roads when he's training.
 
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Watched it. Can't see the issue. We can sometimes see what we want to see.

He was constantly looking over his shoulder looking to see if anyone was close - if he had a motor why would he do that? But we know Pogacar is hugely strong. I don't find it impossible that he could accelerate away from riders like Ben Healy like that on the steepest part. Wasn't breathing hard when he attacked, unlike the others.

Are you suggesting he was using a motor before he attacked and then switched to 'high power mode'??
We know he performs at a level waaayyy beyond everyone else currently. Whether he is hugely strong and clean is another matter. I just look at what I see. A guy who doesn't really seem to have any physical limitations either in terms of performance or endurance. Sickness doesn't seem to be a factor. The rare off day is still a win or a podium. Who can seemingly win all types of races. He's a phenomenon. Ok, what else? Is there anything amongst all the noise and drama that gives us any signal that something might be off? Well, there are lots actually, if you are prepared to look. If you stop your brain from filtering them out. He races for UAE for starters. Sorry, but any rider who rides for a team managed by Giannetti and Maxtin already has a huge red flag against them. Particularly riders who, prior to joining UAE were quite good but not exactly world beaters. And then turned into world beaters. Tim Wellens anyone? Brandon McNulty? Nils Pollett, at 80KG a pure rouleur and Classics specialist whose contribution on mountain stages was limited and never structurally important before joining UAE? I digress. What else is concerning as regards Pogi? Well, Pogacar doesn't seem to have a red zone in the big hills, especially post 2023, and this is a huge concern. Remember red zones? Chris Froome does. And he had piss thrown all over him for winning mountain stages by the odd 10, 20, or 30 seconds in an apparent slow motion grindathon with his competitors at the end of a stage where the Sky Train kept everyone on the limit until near the end. Pogacar doesn't recognise such limits however and everyone is so relieved because that obviously means he's just a marvel. Then there's the accelerations in both the classics and in the big mountains. Almost as if he hits a switch, he takes off at a brutal rate and without any apparent effort. Seated accelerations. No additional torque apparently being squeezed from the core through the legs. Even on extrememly steep slopes at the end of classic races. On cobbles. All very reminiscent of a certain Femke van de Dreiche or even a Cancellara. Very odd looking. Uncanny. And then we have perhaps the key giveaway, the tell. Pogacar is cruising his way to another easy GC win. Everything is cooking. And then a stage goes wrong. He looks suddenly vulnerable, human even. Usually it's a time trial where he loses a fair bit of time. The technique goes, or it's not as smooth as usual. What's going on bleats Orla? Is he sick Sean? UAE go silent. Nothing to see here. And indeed there isn't. Because the next day he's better than ever and he makes the peloton pay for having doubted him, rubbing their collective noses into the dust by attacking from 50KM out to solo home, arriving at the finish line all smiles as if he's just popped down to the shops for the papers. But maybe I'm just a cynical old fuddy duddy who has heard all the explanations before only to realise it was all a lie. Maybe I'm not down with the kids and the new food they eat and the new bikes they ride and the new training zone methods. Which everyone else does of course.
 
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No additional torque apparently being squeezed from the core through the legs. Even on extrememly steep slopes at the end of classic races
But not sure if that's what the video shows? I see a big effort when he attacks on the steepest section of the climb (>15%). And yet the gap was just 10 seconds at the end despite all that grimacing with motor assistance? Is Pog also an accomplished actor now?

He races for UAE for starters. Sorry, but any rider who rides for a team managed by Giannetti and Maxtin already has a huge red flag against them.

This is the theme of the OP. For sure Giannetti has a very dark past but some of that past was embarrassingly amateur both as a rider and manager. I have challenged that here before. With respect to the man he does not strike me as having the intellectual ability of say Dave Brailsford let alone Michele Ferrari. Because what we are suggesting (high levels of blood doping and not triggering the passport) requires significant medical skills at the very least.

But unless the UCI is in on the act Giannetti can't circumvent doping controls which requires medical knowhow way beyond his qualifications. Nor can you hide motors over many races and never get caught. The UCI don't check every bike. But they will check Pog's bike at least several times per season when he wins.

Pog could get away with a few tests and bike checks but not many over several years or even since 2024 to get the level of superiority we have seen.

I am pretty sure Pogacar is doping. But I am pretty sure the other top guys are doping too. To me that was surely obvious on PdB at the 2024 TdF when the top three on that stage all went under Pantani's EPO fueled record.
 
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He wasn't stronger because he was using a motor, but because he had been moto paced in training leading up to the race. It's something Javier Sola taught him and which the bald fraud had never heard about. He was only looking back because he's used to there being dangerous traffic out on the roads when he's training.
That’s good of the GOAT making sure to stay safe when he’s flying past vehicles while training.
 
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But unless the UCI is in on the act Giannetti can't circumvent doping controls which requires medical knowhow way beyond his qualifications. Nor can you hide motors over many races and never get caught. The UCI don't check every bike. But they will check Pog's bike at least several times per season when he wins.
Would it benefit the UCI if Pogacar got busted for using a motor? Or would it not?

Also, UAE literally had one of their doctors on the UCI medical board IIRC. @Mayomaniac looked into that
 
Would it benefit the UCI if Pogacar got busted for using a motor? Or would it not?

Also, UAE literally had one of their doctors on the UCI medical board IIRC. @Mayomaniac looked into that
No it wouldn't. Would be a PR disaster and dig up all the skeletons of Armstrong. But isn't prevention better than cure? Why would the UCI ever risk this? Motors goes way beyond anything seen with Armstrong. Wheel turns back to conspiracies. And the UCI can't control everything in the sport.

On a UAE Doctor on the UCI medical board: Yes you have brought up that before but it is at least partially refuted by a ChatGBT search - "there is no evidence that a doctor from Team UAE is on the UCI anti doping or judging panel". Hopefully Mayo can shed light or else someone can post a link?

But even if there was a UAE doctor on the UCI board why would that be tolerated? That would mean all the other teams and their riders are financially losing out. I'd be very very angry if I was Visma or Red Bull. Red Bull in particular have the resources to take this as far as they wish. Cycling is a very minor portion of Red Bull's total sports marketing budget. Pretty sure they would love to add a Tour de France to their success in Formula 1 and other sports?

There is also huge incentive for other teams to ask a journalist to look into it - like a Walsh. That can happen behind the scenes to avoid risk of litigation for unproven claims. We have also covered this here before but I was not convinced.
 
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No it wouldn't. Would be a PR disaster and dig up all the skeletons of Armstrong. But isn't prevention better than cure? Why would the UCI ever risk this? Motors goes way beyond anything seen with Armstrong. Wheel turns back to conspiracies. And the UCI can't control everything in the sport.

On a UAE Doctor on the UCI medical board: Yes you have brought up that before but it is at least partially refuted by a ChatGBT search - "there is no evidence that a doctor from Team UAE is on the UCI anti doping or judging panel". Hopefully Mayo can shed light or else someone can post a link?

But even if there was a UAE doctor on the UCI board why would that be tolerated? That would mean all the other teams and their riders are financially losing out. I'd be very very angry if I was Visma or Red Bull. Red Bull in particular have the resources to take this as far as they wish. Cycling is a very minor portion of Red Bull's total sports marketing budget. Pretty sure they would love to add a Tour de France to their success in Formula 1 and other sports?

There is also huge incentive for other teams to ask a journalist to look into it - like a Walsh. That can happen behind the scenes to avoid risk of litigation for unproven claims. We have also covered this here before but I was not convinced.
Here, under UCI medical board;



ChatGPT and AI usage will ruin this forum, there's a search function, please everyone stop before it's too late.

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