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You probably do have to wonder whether such a high cadence actually makes sense physically.
While being French myself, I don't know who the 'French people' you're talking about are. In France you're allowed to have and express different opinions, you know?
Regarding the point you raise, for me Seixas' level, if approaching Pogacar's, would only be confirmation that something really special, clinic-wise, is in the air.
Let's see.
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This is the mystery (at least for me). And it’s his party piece, along with the ability to sustain the higher speed (thereby indicating that he doesn’t go into oxygen debt, that he has no red zone that means he has to pay for the effort soon after). He’s on a steep climb, at the end of the race. Vingegaard is setting a pretty high pace already. The context is interesting and relevant I think. Energy state, fatigue etc. And despite that context Pogacar, just appears to ‘flick a switch’ and accelerates away. Sprints in fact. It doesn’t pass the eye test, at least for myself. It literally looks like a guy not so much with just a bigger oxygen tank (as say EPO would provide) gradually putting distance into an opponent , than a guy on an e-bike who has hit the power button. Because otherwise where is the additional power coming from? Switching to a bigger gear and upping the cadence would be the only way that he gaps Vingegaard over that relatively short distance. But is that possible on such a slope at the end of a brutal stage? How does he generate the additional power without at least getting off the saddle? And even then where does he get the instant energy to accelerate away like that? In this case I note Jonas giving a rueful shake of his head just before he crosses the line. Disappointment perhaps, but also I think a certain level of incredulity.
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This is playground nonsense. Armstrong was exposed (admittedly) because he locked Floyd out. That part was bullying. He was investigated and penalized by functionaries looking for career work.
The contrast is just as much an example of transformed professionalism overall (mostly) as anything else.
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Can anyone explain Tadej's apparent immunity to oygen debt? I keep mentioning it but no one, even his fanboys, has ever provided a reasonable explanation. Setting aside the brutal seated accelerations (which need their own explanation), how can Pogi just keep going? Everything we see from other riders (even Vingegaard) is that they ultimately pay for periods of enhanced effort on long inclines and especially at high elevations. I watched cycling in the 2010s. The red zone was a thing. A rider jumped away to gap the group, but then very quickly had to knock off the higher effort as the oxygen levels suffered in reaction. Hence the close races and the smallish gaps. We still see it in the rest of the peloton, but Uncle Mauro's top rider doesn't appear encumbered by this law of nature.
All the training videos by UAE and Pogacar say that they do adaptive training..funny how Tadej is recognized as one of the best cyclists ever, hundreds of videos from different sources of him obviously doing some kind of interval structured training, most riders interviewed, including one I am fairly familiar with, Isaac Del Toro, all have said that when they adopted some part or Pogacar training tips, they improved.Older riders who had success like Tim Wellens, now 34, Rafal Majka, stepped away at 35, Nils Politt, 32 all say that they have achieved marginal, yet noticeable gains from doing UAE- Pogacar style training..That's 3 guys with 40+ years of high level racing and training experience that say they have seen improvements. You also hear positive things from other teams, with aged riders who claim that while they thought they had seen, heard or thought they knew just about everything, but turned out they could still learn something new, benefit after 10+ years racing.
This is just a sample of what's available in English, other social media in other markets and languages have Tadej interviews were he speaks to training, nutrition, weight and cross training.
There is cross contamination videos and interviews all over, if someone who trains with ( non teammates) and teammates comment on what they get from the Tadej osmosis effect are more difficult to find, but if you read or watch other riders on blogs and social media they do make comments
Many posts in the clinic are scary, frightening. People have some crazy Ozempic thinking, skip all logic like eating right, exercise, expert advice from doctors, nutritionists, coaches.. No all logical steps are skipped over and utter entitlement takes over, I accomplished all steps, all the hard work with a pill or easy injection. People portray Pogacar as unethical, immoral because he does not disclose his every action, down to medical, nutrition, bathroom habits. Nobody was mad at Col. Sanders for not publishing the secret recipe at Kentucky Fried Chicken but Pogacar is commanded that he lay everything, I mean everything out for some attempt at absolute transparency.
For many a camera crew following him around 24\7, his Strava, power meter, medical records, everything be made public.
Easy posts like, it's drugs, it's a conspiracy, it's a motor.. All made with a period or !.
Easy, fast, no data, motors are used according to who? Pogacar is on a program according to who?
Not where is the fire..no..start with where is the smoke?
Guy racing throughout the world and tested everywhere and nothing.. For years, zip, nada. I get the frustration but accusing people of serious, serious crimes is done far too easily.
How are people not including the dozens and dozens of hours of Pogacar and coaches, staff explaining to the degree that they can, how and why they are successful.
For many a camera crew following him around 24\7, his Strava, power meter, medical records, everything be made public.
Easy posts like, it's drugs, it's a conspiracy, it's a motor.. All made with a period or !.
Easy, fast, no data, motors are used according to who? Pogacar is on a program according to who?
Not where is the fire..no..start with where is the smoke?
Guy racing throughout the world and tested everywhere and nothing.. For years, zip, nada. I get the frustration but accusing people of serious, serious crimes is done far too easily.
How are people not including the dozens and dozens of hours of Pogacar and coaches, staff explaining to the degree that they can, how and why they are successful.
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Those are PR videos. They are not explanations as to why he is so superior to the rest of what is a cohort of elite level cyclists. Not a little superior. Not superior in certain race types. Not superior in certain times of the year. But superior by a huge margin. In all race types. Across the entire racing calendar. Suffering relatively little fatigue and almost no sickness, at least to a level that impacts his performances to any great degree. Taken together they form a massive red flag. And when you add in his association with Gianetti and Maxtin, sorry it is really too much. In fact, his mere association with those guys places a massive asterisk against his entire career. He can’t wipe off that stench, not ever. He might as well be training under Johan Bruyneel.
Most of the people most critical of UAE and Pogacar have done little research,
go with most low hanging fruit about Giannetti getting popped, decade plus back in time.
1998 Mauro Giannetti almost killed himself from drug misuse, hardly think that anyone is lining up for advice with his record. Organizations he was associated with had numerous F-ups..and still teams have kept him and dozens of them working despite the records. Just to punctuate how forgiving and flexible ( desperate) the UCI is George Hindcappie was welcomed in and part of his new teams objectives is to identify and develop new young talent. Apparently the clinic forum members get rubbed the wrong way, but the UCI is unaffected by unsavory past of many and instead respond, respect money as part of there methodology of forgiveness.
go with most low hanging fruit about Giannetti getting popped, decade plus back in time.
1998 Mauro Giannetti almost killed himself from drug misuse, hardly think that anyone is lining up for advice with his record. Organizations he was associated with had numerous F-ups..and still teams have kept him and dozens of them working despite the records. Just to punctuate how forgiving and flexible ( desperate) the UCI is George Hindcappie was welcomed in and part of his new teams objectives is to identify and develop new young talent. Apparently the clinic forum members get rubbed the wrong way, but the UCI is unaffected by unsavory past of many and instead respond, respect money as part of there methodology of forgiveness.
The UAE PR machine is trying to hide the obvious by trying to convince people that Pogacar uses some "special" training method.
First, it was San Milan’s secret Z2 training; then the myth that Pogacar didn’t do proper altitude or heat training under Milan (even though even amateurs did that already); then the myth of adaptive training....
None of these explanations are innovative, and none of these training methods explain inhuman performances. It's all just a poor attempt to cover up things that anyone who isn't naive already knows.
Btw Peter Attia is mentioned over 1700 times in the epstein files.He might not be the best person to turn to for explanations of inhuman performances.
Pogacar is on a program according to some people in and around Monaco. People talk and people do even more talk when they are drunk in fancy restaurants. According to them Pogacar will become even better.
No sweat, no red zone, peak form all year long, winning every kind of race as a light guy, there are no limits for him and all those PR puppets around him will somehow try to explain his Paris-Roubaix victory to us in some days.
Oh man....these people would still believe Lance Armstrong if he came back now "oh I just did some Pogacar training and nutrition, look at me now i'm so fast"
Dudes, they improve because of a new thing. Give it 15 years and we will know what that thing was. I can tell you right away it's not nutrition and it's not training.
How come so many people have the memory of a goldfish?
Dudes, they improve because of a new thing. Give it 15 years and we will know what that thing was. I can tell you right away it's not nutrition and it's not training.
How come so many people have the memory of a goldfish?
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"I want to believe" as written on Mulder's poster in the X-files.
Sound familiar?
With "The Lance Armstrong Performance Program," cyclists of every experience level can find the exercises, riding schedules, endurance builders, and mental tricks that brought Lance back to the pinnacle of cycling.
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Yeah, I mean it's not like cycling doesn't have a long and ignominious history as regards cheating. Those of us who are sceptical, perhaps downright incredulous, are not therefore suggesting something is happening that is unprecedented, that is unheard of, that is unthinkable. That's not to suggest that because what happened in the past we simply assume it is happening now, or that 'they're all at it'. However, when it comes to this situation, we have further contextual information we can consider. For example, the history of the two individuals who run the team Pogacar is employed by. We also have performance data from the pre-Pogacar decade to compare with, a period of relative stability as regards cyclists performance levels. Given the subsequent outlandish performance levels of Pogacar in comparison to a peloton that has gotten remarkably faster since 2019, in addition to the overall historical context, it is therefore *more than reasonable*, to question these incredible performances and associated remarkable, some might say unprecedented, levels of consistency. Suggesting otherwise, that this is all just silly, just isn't a credible argument.
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interesting
Also, I just saw an Indurain vs Pantani video. I forgot just how big Indurain was.
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If that can't be answered without breaking the no politics rule, please don't answer it.
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What if DONCA were to say "I can't answer that without breaking the no politics rule."?
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Mentioning the name Epstein is not in and of itself political, and no political controversy has been entered into. I don't think that allusion is causing any raising of political hackles on the forum.
Then why bother intervening at all? I'm sure DONCA is already aware of the no politics rule.
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