Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Divergence]

We've received a lot of information that requires a summary.

Explanations for Pogacars dominance include
- Generational talent (except between 2015-july 2018)
- Not motivated because he's from Slovenia, but he found that motivation when signed at UAE
- Pizza and beer diet during the TdF 2020
- Zone 2 whatever, starting his ultimate dominance in 2024.
- Trains extremely hard, even in winter, contrary to other riders

Excluded
- Shananigans by the crime duo Gianetti and Matxin who always cheated as managers, were never punished for it, but somehow found God and decided to play fair at UAE.

Look, I am not saying Pog and UAE are not doing some gray area stuff. In fact, I am pretty sure they do. But so are other teams and riders. What I am saying is that I do believe that Pog is the best cyclist ever and that is why he is dominating.

 

[MountainGoatW]

Look, I am not saying Pog and UAE are not doing some gray area stuff. In fact, I am pretty sure they do. But so are other teams and riders. What I am saying is that I do believe that Pog is the best cyclist ever and that is why he is dominating.

Oh my good the level of ignorance is real. If the funding would have been there you would be hailing Ricco as the best ever now or maybe you are too young to remember. This is not even about opinions or who you like, but just simple common sense. Pog is good yes, but the "goat" level he has achieved is just the biggest hoax in professional sports ever. Some grey area stuff 🤡🤣 you have to be totally ignorant or then a paid "influencer" to say something like that. Guess the UAE budget has some € to be shared, so you can spend the days explaining the earth is flat and black is white❤️🙏🏼

Edit. And even IF in some alternative universe he was supposedly the most talented rider ever, he still wouldn't be doing bs like he has now been performing for almost three years.

 

[MountainGoatW]

It seems we have reached a new high with the believers. Nobody knew how to train before 2019 or cared and then pogster really showed them all in winter 23/24 again what it means how to be a pro and really dedicate your life to your professional career as an endurance athlete. What a bunch of losers they all have been before in the worlds most demanding endurance sport. I thought that by this age I would have seen it all, but this really starts to be brain hurting level of bs. Or maybe, even though I am new writer aswell, there is some convinient timeframe with all the believers coming to the forum with the rise of pog the great.

I only feel sad myself, watch races with pog in them besides monuments as a replay and for the laughs. Was happy to see the Dracula high fiving his Ricco vol. 3.0 again after the finnish line. What an absolute joke the sport i love(d) so much has become🤡🙏🏼

 

[pelotonIQ]

You have to be totally ignorant or then a paid "influencer" to say something like that. Guess the UAE budget has some € to be shared, so you can spend the days explaining the earth is flat and black is white❤️🙏🏼

Edit. And even IF in some alternative universe he was supposedly the most talented rider ever, he still wouldn't be doing bs like he has now been performing for almost three years.

Aren't we projecting a little, are we? Comments on Pogacar clips/shorts on social media all use the same rhetoric you use and they're all from newly created accounnts like yourself on this forum Are you even human or are you a bot?

 

[MountainGoatW]

Aren't we projecting a little, are we? Comments on Pogacar clips/shorts on social media all use the same rhetoric you use and they're all from newly created accounnts like yourself on this forum Are you even human or are you a bot?

Yeah been reading the forum more than a decade and been following the sport from the late nineties. Thanks for adding somwthing to the conversation pelotonIQ(🤣)your time of register is also in line with the rise of blind fanboyism. Like i said it is hard to believe the level of naivety is for real, but then again the socialmedia generation is really something else.

 

[SorelyBoy]

I am not quite from Slovenia but I know the region a little bit. Believe me, it is not like in France for example where kids are coached for a very young age and everything is optimizes. It can happen that a talented boy gets selected and that boy is not training like a maniac. Heck, in the country where I come from even untalented and non training boys get selected .

The likelihood of anyone achieving what Pogacar is doing simply by training harder and better is so infinitesimally slim as to be non existent.
Any even rudimentary analysis of cycling history will put into context what he is doing is unprecedented in modern times, post 1980. Cycling at the highest level is such an extreme sport, with incredible demands on the human body. Any cyclist who rides for world tour teams is a world class athlete, dedicating their life to the sport. The relative differences between them are marginal to say the least. For the very very elite, the differences are even smaller, and any legitimate marginal gain that can be eked out of a new supplement, training method, sleep regime, whatever, is merely going to deliver a sliver of a difference if at all. Likewise, the human body operating at this level is naturally much more vulnerable to injury and illness. Fatigue wears down the immune system and muscles and tendons put under so much workload are at a higher risk of developing injuries, as well as simply breaking down from fatigue. That is why cyclists need to train and recuperate in cycles, which is why they work with their team to target specific blocks of races that suit their specific skill sets. To do otherwise would not only be unhealthy for the rider, it would not maximise the chance of winning or accomplishing the best achievable results. It would be utterly stupid.

So why, then, do the laws of nature not seem to apply to Mr Pogacar? In answering this you will find the truth.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Look, I am not saying Pog and UAE are not doing some gray area stuff. In fact, I am pretty sure they do. But so are other teams and riders. What I am saying is that I do believe that Pog is the best cyclist ever and that is why he is dominating.

"But so are other teams and riders": speculation
"I do believe that Pog is the best cyclist ever": opinion
Cobo, one of Gianetti's riders at Geox-TMC, lost the Vuelta due to irregularities in his blood passport: fact

 

[Divergence]

I do not want to reply to everybody so one post to sum it all and use the plural you.
When you have some concrete proof that Pog is using something illegal that no other cyclist in the current peloton is using, or at least a very strong indication then we can debate. For now, all the arguments are either the silly motor doping (which makes zero sense) or UAE's money and I do not follow how from there Pog would be the only one allowed to use whatever you think he is using. To me, the most reasonable explanation is what I have written in the past few posts. Ah, and the most ridiculous arguments are: "but history shows..." I just watched a Tyler Hamilton video regarding food... Really, that is the benchmark to beat? I think I can get a bunch of boys from the neighborhood to beat that type of training.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Yeah been reading the forum more than a decade and been following the sport from the late nineties. Thanks for adding somwthing to the conversation pelotonIQ(🤣)your time of register is also in line with the rise of blind fanboyism. Like i said it is hard to believe the level of naivety is for real, but then again the socialmedia generation is really something else.

Fan of whom? Hint: It's not Pogacar. Do your homework next time you reply to me, terrible bot cannot even compile my posts and get to my favorite rider when i registered

 

[BubbaChuck]

For Lance fans.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XnZ1CbVGEak

 

[pelotonIQ]

Anti-Pogacar are saying he is doping but cannot explain what, when or how despite Pogacar being the most tested rider in the peloton with 0 positive tests. Anti-Pogacar are saying he is motor doping, yet Pogacar's bicycles are always tested, no motors found. Basically everything is empty accusations with no depth or thought process. Oh and my favorite ''Pogacar has bribed UCI thats why he isn't caught in doping tests''

 

[aphronesis]

Anti-Pogacar are saying he is doping but cannot explain what, when or how despite Pogacar being the most tested rider in the peloton with 0 positive tests. Anti-Pogacar are saying he is motor doping, yet Pogacar's bicycles are always tested, no motors found. Basically everything is empty accusations with no depth or thought process. Oh and my favorite ''Pogacar has bribed UCI thats why he isn't caught in doping tests''

“Anti-Pogacar are saying he is doping but cannot explain what, when or how despite Pogacar being the most tested rider in the peloton with 0 positive tests.”

I guess it’s settled then.

 

[aphronesis]

For Lance fans.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XnZ1CbVGEak

Did LA say Pogacar was doping. Has anyone asked? Probably not.

 

[pelotonIQ]

“Anti-Pogacar are saying he is doping but cannot explain what, when or how despite Pogacar being the most tested rider in the peloton with 0 positive tests.”

I guess it’s settled then.

Burden of proof will always be on the accuser, saying he is doping without anything (no theory, no idea, no thought process as to how) to back it up wont make your case stronger, people will dismiss it. Anti-Pogacar are also always quick to tell people to prove that Pogacar isn't doping, happened many times

 

[Cookster15]

But these post 2023 seated attacks are ultimately very very odd looking.

Wasn’t it a seated attack on stage 8 of the 2021 TdF that Pogacar won that edition - aged 22 btw? I don’t think Pog’s seated attacks only started from 2024?