TDF Stage 19 - Saturday, July 24 2010, Bordeaux - Pauillac, 51 km ITT

[The Sheep]

So who ended up winning the team classification?

1. TEAM RADIOSHACK 267h 55' 00"
2. CAISSE D’EPARGNE 268h 04' 15" + 09' 15"

 

[bobs nob]

With a 39 sec gap to yellow it means Contador can only claim one legitimate win in his 3 tours. Certainly only one undisputed win or win without legitimate controversy.

Wow. That's exactly one more than Lance. Maybe LA WILL try one more time to even the score.

 

[nia O'Malley]

He rides for Saxobank. I think English is main language of communication there.

It is?
How curious.

 

[sublimit]

Wiggins is the only rider in the top 10 that went after the wind changed? Very impressive!

Wiggins had a decent ride, not great but he did well considering how wrecked he is.

Tony Martin did the ride of the day followed by Menchov.

 

[Mellow Velo]

isn't Levi riding with bruyneel now?
Not a bad theory outside of practise

Well, this tour performance bucks the trend, but still better than his Rabo/Gerolsteiner times.
He could loose 6 minutes+ in an ITT without an increasing headwind, no sweat.

 

[Steel4Ever]

And Ryder wasn't supposed to be in the top 50 and he finished 7th.

You can downplay it all you want, I think it's great (I actually copied and pasted for the sake of irony)

Ryder turned pro @ 25; Gesink @ 21.

Gesink has 5 years of youth on Ryder and can only beat him by 45 seconds over 3 weeks....and loses over 2 minutes in the final TT.

Oh well... History is written. Guess we will see what happens next year.

One think is for sure, we are going to see a chain guard on a certain Shrek bike!

 

[Francois the Postman]

Seeing the way it's worked this year I doubt ASO will change that

In absence of the prologue I though there might be 2, but I have just spotted that the 2nd race day will be a TTT. So yeah, TTT and one ITT is probably what we'll get. Unless they are giving up some of those Cavendish wins, sorry, some of those I-wonder-who-will-win-these-bunch-sprints-to-get-us-to-the-mountains.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Time trial of top 10 GC


11. MENCHOV Denis 191 RABOBANK 1h 04' 47"
35. CONTADOR Alberto 1 ASTANA 1h 06' 39" + 01' 52"
40. SANCHEZ Samuel 181 EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 1h 06' 47" + 02' 00"
44. SCHLECK Andy 11 TEAM SAXO BANK 1h 07' 10" + 02' 23"
52. HESJEDAL Ryder 54 GARMIN - TRANSITIONS 1h 07' 36" + 02' 49"
69. HORNER Christopher 23 TEAM RADIOSHACK 1h 08' 04" + 03' 17"
71. VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 101 OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 1h 08' 06" + 03' 19"
82. KREUZIGER Roman 44 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO 1h 08' 21" + 03' 34"
109. GESINK Robert 195 RABOBANK 1h 09' 29" + 04' 42"
154. RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 77 KATUSHA TEAM 1h 11' 13" + 6' 26"

 

[Parrot23]

Wiggins did a decent ride, not great but he did well considering how wrecked he is.

Tony Martin did the ride of the day followed by Menchov.

Vaughters' twitter on Wiggo:

"Not to spoil everyone's Wiggo bashing, but considering the wind increase today, I'd say Wiggo actually was on par with the top 3 guys."

 

[Moondance]

I still think someone who is able to do top 10 in time trials is not a bad time triallist. He's just done 0 good ones this year.
Worrying.

The TT is clearly the top priority of training for Gesink over the off-season. My guess is that he's been training on his climbing so much the last two years his TTing has got neglected. If you look at his results from '08 there are a bunch of perfectly respectable results. Top five in Basque Country TT, Top tens at the Olympics and Dauphine. 26th in the only flat ITT in the Vuelta (1'20 loss to Contador)... But his only 3 long TTs this year were lousy.

 

[Cerberus]

I wonder if AS atttacks like Delgado did in 87 tomorrow, the '99+ fans will scream at breach of tradition?

Not a chance, there's no way anyone in the world could take 39 seconds on Champs-Élysées, and Andy isn't the kind of rider who could even give it a good shot. Cancellara might be able to win by 5-10 seconds if the stars are aligned, but not Andy, he's not that type of rider.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Time trial of top 10 GC


11. MENCHOV Denis 191 RABOBANK 1h 04' 47"
35. CONTADOR Alberto 1 ASTANA 1h 06' 39" + 01' 52"
40. SANCHEZ Samuel 181 EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 1h 06' 47" + 02' 00"
44. SCHLECK Andy 11 TEAM SAXO BANK 1h 07' 10" + 02' 23"
52. HESJEDAL Ryder 54 GARMIN - TRANSITIONS 1h 07' 36" + 02' 49"
69. HORNER Christopher 23 TEAM RADIOSHACK 1h 08' 04" + 03' 17"
71. VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 101 OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 1h 08' 06" + 03' 19"
82. KREUZIGER Roman 44 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO 1h 08' 21" + 03' 34"
109. GESINK Robert 195 RABOBANK 1h 09' 29" + 04' 42"
154. RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 77 KATUSHA TEAM 1h 11' 13" + 6' 26"

Mostly the wind change?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Ryder turned pro @ 25; Gesink @ 21.

Gesink has 5 years of youth on Ryder and can only beat him by 45 seconds over 3 weeks....and loses over 2 minutes in the final TT.

Oh well... History is written. Guess we will see what happens next year.

One think is for sure, we are going to see a chain guard on a certain Shrek bike!

What the hell are you talking about man

Hesjedal turned pro in 2004 at US Postal after already been on the Rabobank Continental squad for 2 years (that's semi-pro)
Hesjedal is pro now for 7 years
You are completely full of bull**** dude
Gesink is only in his 4th year as professional, and also rode for Rabo CT only 1 year instead of 2...

The difference will only become greater. This is the closest Hesjedal will ever get to Gesink.

 

[koolkinks]

Keeping aside all the chaingate comments. The Spa stage was the most critical this year with the neutralisation. If not Menchov would have won the tour and Hushovd would have won the Green Jersey. So people who keep on talking about the Chain event should do well to remember this.

 

[dsut4392]

Ryder turned pro @ 25; Gesink @ 21.

Not according to Ryder himself, but maybe you don't think MTB counts? Winning one of the most prestigious world cup events at age 22, and second in world champs at 23 suggests maybe he's telling the truth when he claims to be pro since age 19...

Anyhow, quit baiting the poor dutchies.

 

[Carl0880]

Keeping aside all the chaingate comments. The Spa stage was the most critical this year with the neutralisation. If not Menchov would have won the tour and Hushovd would have won the Green Jersey. So people who keep on talking about the Chain event should do well to remember this.

If the Spa stage would have counted, I highly doubt Contador and Schleck would have done their track stand on the one mountain stage that allowed Menchov and Sanchez to gain 45 seconds. They probably would have worked together to stay ahead instead, situation of the race would have been totally different.

 

[Bobby G]

Vaughters' twitter on Wiggo:

"Not to spoil everyone's Wiggo bashing, but considering the wind increase today, I'd say Wiggo actually was on par with the top 3 guys."

Exactly. Out of the top 50 on GC Brad was the only one to finish in the top 10 on the stage!

 

[nia O'Malley]

Not a chance, there's no way anyone in the world could take 39 seconds on Champs-Élysées, and Andy isn't the kind of rider who could even give it a good shot. Cancellara might be able to win by 5-10 seconds if the stars are aligned, but not Andy, he's not that type of rider.

I know he won't but it has happened before and it appears a lot of people here might not know that

 

[saganftw]

Keeping aside all the chaingate comments. The Spa stage was the most critical this year with the neutralisation. If not Menchov would have won the tour and Hushovd would have won the Green Jersey. So people who keep on talking about the Chain event should do well to remember this.

bump for this message, if there is a guy who can ask himself "what if...?" its menchov

 

[El Pistolero]

Why wouldn't this be a legitimate win for AC to some?

Doesn't stage 2 and 3 count all of a sudden?
Ok, I'll ignore them.

Now when AS attacked before his chain fell off Vino was countering easily and AC was closing the gap fast after being surprised. The Tourmalet has proven that AS' attack would have been futile. So if his chain didn't fell off AS would have led with 31 seconds after that stage. Unless AC decided to attack after AS' attack failed, but we'll never know.

Contador would have probably won the stage on Tourmalet if Chaingate didn't happen. Let's just say that AS would have been able to hold his 31 second lead after the Tourmalet going into the Time Trial.

Looking at the TT results, AS would have still lost with a second. End of story.

 

[Steel4Ever]

What the hell are you talking about man

Hesjedal turned pro in 2004 at US Postal after already been on the Rabobank Continental squad for 2 years (that's semi-pro)
Hesjedal is pro now for 7 years
You are completely full of bull**** dude
Gesink is only in his 4th year as professional, and also rode for Rabo CT only 1 year instead of 2...

The difference will only become greater. This is the closest Hesjedal will ever get to Gesink.

Ryder turned pro 2005.
He was a stagiaire at Rabo while he was still racing pro MTB.

Learn before you speak.

 

[Anonymous]

What the hell are you talking about man

Hesjedal turned pro in 2004 at US Postal after already been on the Rabobank Continental squad for 2 years (that's semi-pro)
Hesjedal is pro now for 7 years
You are completely full of bull**** dude
Gesink is only in his 4th year as professional, and also rode for Rabo CT only 1 year instead of 2...

The difference will only become greater. This is the closest Hesjedal will ever get to Gesink.

So, looking at your stats, it is your suggestion that Gesink beating Ryder by 45 seconds is impressive? I would suggest that with your attitude about Ryder, stating that Gesink rode well considering the guy he only beat by 45 seconds is some second rate nobody, unworthy of consideration (even though he beat your fancy little Tommy D on the biggest mountain stage AND in both the prologue and TT), is one that would suggest that Gesink's ride was a total disappointment.

 

[Cerberus]

If the Spa stage would have counted, I highly doubt Contador and Schleck would have done their track stand on the one mountain stage that allowed Menchov and Sanchez to gain 45 seconds. They probably would have worked together to stay ahead instead, situation of the race would have been totally different.

They lost 13 seconds or so on that stage not 45. Anyways I think Contador was in a large group on stage 2 while the front group was very small and not that far ahead. He could probably have minimized his loss or even caught up, Andy would might have been out of the GC entirely though, given the time gap and the small group he was in.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Ryder turned pro 2005.
He was a stagiaire at Rabo while he was still racing pro MTB.

Learn before you speak.

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=871

Learn before you speak yourself.
And even if we discount that year, he is still Pro 2 years longer than Gesink

 

[santacruz]

If Andy was riding Shimano he would have won the TDF. Their front derailer mechanism is so damn smooth... this makes me cry a little bit.

Ok, why was Alberto 5 minutes slower than Fabian this year, for the time trial, but last year he beats Fabian???