TDF Top 10 finishers for last 15 years - how many doped?

[roundabout]

Etxebarria retired at 33 after he was named in Operation Puerto so you can also cross him off the list.

 

[Escarabajo]

Etxebarria retired at 33 after he was named in Operation Puerto so you can also cross him off the list.

There are two Etxebarrias. Are you sure about the OP one?

I'll cross him out anyway. Man, this is fun we are going to get down to the 30th rider in GC maybe.

Thanks.

 

[roundabout]

Yep, i'm sure. David Etxebarria the Once -> Euskaltel -> Liberty Seguros one.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/astana-wurth-leaves-the-tour

 

[kurtinsc]

That's not enough proof. By using the same theory we would have to take Christophe Bassons out.

Do we want to say all US Postal service/Discovery riders doped in the past? what about Michael Creed?

I'll take Lelli out.

It may not be enough proof... but it's tough to believe riders who have predominantly hung around teams that have been full of dopers are clean.

Anyone who rode for a Bruyneel or Riis team is suspicious in my book.

 

[roundabout]

What about Vandevelde? His best results were made riding for a "clean" team

 

[hrotha]

Didn't Vande Velde implicitly admit he doped throughout his whole career (save for his Garmin years, of course)?

 

[Escarabajo]

Didn't Vande Velde implicitly admit he doped throughout his whole career (save for his Garmin years, of course)?

I have never heard him say that. Do you have an interniew link or something?

Otherwise he is out because his best results are when he was riding clean and that's really not possible in my book.

 

[Willy_Voet]

It may not be enough proof... but it's tough to believe riders who have predominantly hung around teams that have been full of dopers are clean.

Anyone who rode for a Bruyneel or Riis team is suspicious in my book.

Sastre rode for Riis and Saiz.

He was with Saiz for 4 years. Saiz was/is the master systematic team doping.

Bassons was never part of the program. I believe this was mentioned by the teammates who were...

 

[hrotha]

I have never heard him say that. Do you have an interniew link or something?

Otherwise he is out because his best results are when he was riding clean and that's really not possible in my book.

I don't have anything, sorry. That's what I got from reading other people's posts here, so maybe someone will be able to shed some light on this issue (I think it had something to do with Kimmage?)

 

[Ninety5rpm]

I think what we need is a comprehensive list of all top 10 finishers for the years in question, and some kind of rating next to each. Maybe 1-3 exclamation marks for confirmed dopers (the more confirmed, the more marks), and maybe 1-3 question marks for unconfirmed but suspicious, depending on how suspicious. I mean, working with Saiz and Riis should be worth at least one question mark. Of course, finishing in the top 10 alone arguably justifies at least one question mark!

 

[Cloxxki]

Excellent idea. I prefer the * to ***** system though, more detailed, more distinction. Might only use the 5th for self-admitted, althought an unrelated or selective admission would suffice to have all results scratched.
Basso would be a ****.
Frank Schleck ***.
Andy ** for being his bloodbrother.
Ricco, Landis, Zabel *****.
Everyone who ever beat a ***** in a race, gets a * to start off with

 

[JPM London]

I think what we need is a comprehensive list of all top 10 finishers for the years in question, and some kind of rating next to each. Maybe 1-3 exclamation marks for confirmed dopers (the more confirmed, the more marks), and maybe 1-3 question marks for unconfirmed but suspicious, depending on how suspicious. I mean, working with Saiz and Riis should be worth at least one question mark. Of course, finishing in the top 10 alone arguably justifies at least one question mark!

Agree! As there's getting some meat on the bones of this thread it makes sense - it was a bit bumpy for a bit but seems to have found its legs.

Maybe a good idea to split the ratings into a couple of separate threads so it doesn't get too huge - we are talking a lot of riders here... Maybe make the current list a sticky or something so you can always go to the "latest edition" easily? Anyway - just a few suggestions.