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Funny how they directly mention LL Sánchez, Luis Maté, Dani Moreno and Alex Kolobnev, but tiptoe around Pereiro's name. Wanna bet Etchavarrí and Unzué will vehemently deny this while Riis will be silent as a mouse?
 

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I have a Raging clue!

This thread breaks me up - reminds me of the Hardly Boys.

OP a doper - did not see that coming.

ASO should just award the 1/2/3 podium to Basso/Jan/Vino as it should have been. Or if that offends, give the win to Big George. 2006 TdF should have been a Classic one.

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Polish said:
This thread breaks me up - reminds me of the Hardly Boys.

OP a doper - did not see that coming.

ASO should just award the 1/2/3 podium to Basso/Jan/Vino as it should have been. Or if that offends, give the win to Big George. 2006 TdF should have been a Classic one.

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I came across a few tour specials from 2006 lately. Really funny.
At least yours has the eventual winner-for-a-week on the cover. Mine all have Jan and Basso and something like: HET DUEL.


I'm still sorry i didn't buy that 'LE COURAGE DE VINO' L'Equipe form 07 :)
 
LOL. FLandis having his win stripped looks more and more like a joke. The other two riders on the podium were also on the junk. Armstrong was proved to be an EPO user the year before but suffered no consequences. And a study of the year after concluded that 80% of the peloton was using testosterone or HGH, the very thing that Landis was crucified for.
 
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LOL. FLandis having his win stripped looks more and more like a joke. The other two riders on the podium were also on the junk. Armstrong was proved to be an EPO user the year before but suffered no consequences. And a study of the year after concluded that 80% of the peloton was using testosterone or HGH, the very thing that Landis was crucified for.

Yeah, but we really didn't need another yankee tour winner now did we?
 
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flandis was given what he deserved. instead of admitting doping he pledged to destroy wada. when the stupidity was called off it resulted in him being lonely, divorced and with no means. if i'm not mistaken of the european dopers only schumacker is that stupid. if flaandis was crucified he asked for it.
 
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luckyboy said:
They wouldn't be able to strip him of his title would they? Kloden would be the winner then :cool:

Patrice Halgand won the 2006 Tour.

My first thought was that the former Tour winner was Contador not Pereiro because LLS is Alberto's good buddy.
 
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Patrice Halgand won the 2006 Tour.

My first thought was that the former Tour winner was Contador not Pereiro because LLS is Alberto's good buddy.

Just think who of those former Tour winners is now the less ambit¡ous, as the news article said
 
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Hmm the Spanish have taken it to a new level. Police investigations, wiretapping phones, intercepting text messages. Although in absence of proof the judge had to suspend these investigations... Have they stepped up to the plate?]

I wish...
 
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BroDeal said:
LOL. FLandis having his win stripped looks more and more like a joke. The other two riders on the podium were also on the junk. Armstrong was proved to be an EPO user the year before but suffered no consequences. And a study of the year after concluded that 80% of the peloton was using testosterone or HGH, the very thing that Landis was crucified for.

I didn't think there was any proof Lance was on EPO in 2005. I know about the samples in 99 but never read anything about 2005
 
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Kloden? For how long? The Freiburg stuff is out in the open...
Maybe 2006 is Sastre's 2nd TdF win?
And as a bonus: it would be another 2nd place for Evans :D

With all this speculation about Spanish tour winners, and of course our friend Andreas, i'm just gonna through this out there as a joke, but maybe Cadel really is a 3-time tour winner...

2006:periero erased for Kloden, Kloden erased for Sastre, Sastre erased for Evans
2007: Contador erased for Evans
2008: Sastre erased for Evans

Maybe that's why his knickers are always in a knot;)

Nah I'm just kidding, whilst I think the arguments that the rider scared ****less is Oscar are solid, no-one has addressed my argument that he crashed down a cliff one day before duenas tested positive.

Of course the translation is hard for us to interpret, but is it saying that the TDF winner immediately shat himself?... or did he **** himself when he woke up in hospital and heard of the news many days/weeks later?
 
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luckyboy said:
He won by 4'40" over Ullrich, Basso, Mancebo and Vino. I know it's not proof, but c'mon ;)

No, not proof, but pretty compelling. The first three were directly linked to Puerto and the fourth was suspected and then separately busted a year later.

If anybody is in Spain or other has access to a newsstand that sells Interviu, please don't be shy about picking up a copy of the October 19 issue and passing on the full details of their piece.

The website has a teaser for their article here

In addition to what was reported on as.com and elsewhere, the teaser says that the Valladolid investigation centers not on Losa alone, but on four doctors in total. So, four times the fun. It could get very interesting.
 
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They wouldn't be able to strip him of his title would they? Kloden would be the winner then :cool:

I have some weird sort of respect for Kloden... Unfortunately as soon as he gets his hands close to some silverware, the skeletons would come out (although maybe that's why he rides under the JB/LA protection). He's managed to dodge a few bullets thus far, maybe he's invincible.
 
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not sure they would change any results they didn't with Riis although that was years ago.

Did Zabel ever admit to using EPO and lose any of his green jerseys.

Think it was either jacque anquetil or Coppi that admitted to doping and they still have all their wins so unless something comes up about this year then I think the result will stand
 
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With all this speculation about Spanish tour winners, and of course our friend Andreas, i'm just gonna through this out there as a joke, but maybe Cadel really is a 3-time tour winner...

2006:periero erased for Kloden, Kloden erased for Sastre, Sastre erased for Evans
2007: Contador erased for Evans
2008: Sastre erased for Evans

Maybe that's why his knickers are always in a knot;)

Nah I'm just kidding, whilst I think the arguments that the rider scared ****less is Oscar are solid, no-one has addressed my argument that he crashed down a cliff one day before duenas tested positive.

Of course the translation is hard for us to interpret, but is it saying that the TDF winner immediately shat himself?... or did he **** himself when he woke up in hospital and heard of the news many days/weeks later?
i am not sure the pereiro argument is solid for that very reason.
sure pereiro couldof gotten scared after his recovery but that does not convey the spirit of the as.com article. 'getting scare shytless' to me is a reflective spur of the moment reaction. Sastre and Kolybnev(sp?) from riis's squad come to mind.
 
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not sure they would change any results they didn't with Riis although that was years ago.

Did Zabel ever admit to using EPO and lose any of his green jerseys.

Think it was either jacque anquetil or Coppi that admitted to doping and they still have all their wins so unless something comes up about this year then I think the result will stand
It was Jacques Anquetil. But I don't think Coppi was on bread and water only either.

Bjarne Riis made the confession on May 25 2007. More than 10 years had gone by since the Tour win. For that reason there was not much that could have been done. On the other hand if Pereiro or Sastre were to be found related to any doping during those Tour de Frances in 2006 and 2008, then there is a big probability that a "doping offense" would be opened by the UCI or the French Antidoping Federation. I am no sure what the time is for the wins to be safe. I am sure Dr. Maserati knows this.
 
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stature of limitation is universally 8 years. it was an ioc standard subsequently adopted by wada and most sporting federations. theoretically riis' admission could have him suspended for doping if it was within that time frame.
 

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It was Jacques Anquetil. But I don't think Coppi was on bread and water only either.

Bjarne Riis made the confession on May 25 2007. More than 10 years had gone by since the Tour win. For that reason there was not much that could have been done. On the other hand if Pereiro or Sastre were to be found related to any doping during those Tour de Frances in 2006 and 2008, then there is a big probability that a "doping offense" would be opened by the UCI or the French Antidoping Federation. I am no sure what the time is for the wins to be safe. I am sure Dr. Maserati knows this.

:D As Python said 8 years from "when the violation occured".

Chapter XIII. Final Provisions.
Statute of limitations
368. No action may be commenced under these Anti-Doping Rules against a License-Holder for a violation of an anti-doping rule contained in these Anti-Doping Rules unless such action is commenced within 8 (eight) years from the date the violation occurred.
Any request for investigation or for disciplinary action and any act of investigation or disciplinary action in relation with the violation shall be considered as commencement of the action for the purpose of this
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Dr. Maserati said:
:D As Python said 8 years from "when the violation occured".

Chapter XIII. Final Provisions.
Statute of limitations
368. No action may be commenced under these Anti-Doping Rules against a License-Holder for a violation of an anti-doping rule contained in these Anti-Doping Rules unless such action is commenced within 8 (eight) years from the date the violation occurred.
Any request for investigation or for disciplinary action and any act of investigation or disciplinary action in relation with the violation shall be considered as commencement of the action for the purpose of this
article.

Which is exactly why Riis said he stopped doping after the 1998 Tour. Because if he said he had doped after that, he could still be sanctioned. So he "just happened" to dope right up to the point where the statute of limitations still covered. How convenient.