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Anyway regarding Bernal i can see him asking to go to the Giro because he's really tied with Piemonte where he lived until Sky relocated him to Andorra and where he has his fanclub and next year the Giro will likely be decided there, on climbs where he has trained for years, but eventually we should see if the team will let him do so considering that he's their best card to win the Tour.
Contador without "external" factors forcing him to do otherwise would have ridden the Tour every single year for the majority of his career, he started to appreciate Giro and Vuelta (and probably disappreciate the Tour after how he was "welcomed" in 2011) only in the last part of his career, in 2008 he missed the Tour only because Astana wasn't invited and for this reason he went for Giro and Vuelta, in 2011 he rode the Giro because he knew he would have allowed to ride the Tour only after the Giro end, in 2012 he rode the Vuelta because in july he was still suspended and in 2014 he resheduled for the Vuelta only after he crashed out of the Tour. The first time that, when allowed to, he didn't put the Tour as the single centerpiece of his season was in 2015 when he decided to go for the double. Contador is even an unseen amongst spanish riders considering that, excluding when he crashed out of the Tour, he did the Tour/Vuelta double only in 2017 when the Vuelta was his farewell race.Velolover2 said:
Anyway regarding Bernal i can see him asking to go to the Giro because he's really tied with Piemonte where he lived until Sky relocated him to Andorra and where he has his fanclub and next year the Giro will likely be decided there, on climbs where he has trained for years, but eventually we should see if the team will let him do so considering that he's their best card to win the Tour.
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Unless Froome or Thomas' numbers are great next season, I can't imagine them not sending Bernal to the Tour. They would be giving up their record of consecutive wins for little obvious gain - unless INEOS the chemicals company has a big Italian presence.
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I can't see any possible scenario where both Bernal and Froome don't do the Tour. Only injury or recovery issues will keep Froome out. Leadership like this year will be sorted out on the road.
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I can't see any possible scenario where both Bernal and Froome don't do the Tour. Only injury or recovery issues will keep Froome out. Leadership like this year will be sorted out on the road.
Bernal happily goes to the Giro d'Italia finally after Androni Giocattoli never got invited when he was around and he missed it this year due to injury.
Afterwards he probably beats Froome at the Vuelta a Espana as he's fresher and becomes the new boss on Team Ineos as Froome likely hasn't won the Tour de France either.
Potentially he's won or at least podiumed all 3 grand tours aged 23,then.
Bernal won't defend his yellow next year. He only wins by not attempting to do so.
Afterwards he probably beats Froome at the Vuelta a Espana as he's fresher and becomes the new boss on Team Ineos as Froome likely hasn't won the Tour de France either.
Potentially he's won or at least podiumed all 3 grand tours aged 23,then.
Bernal won't defend his yellow next year. He only wins by not attempting to do so.
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The youngsters will co-lead to two GTs. The old guys only get to lead one GT but the biggest one.
That seems to be the plan.IndianCyclist said:
The youngsters will co-lead to two GTs. The old guys only get to lead one GT but the biggest one.
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If Froome doesn’t prove beforehand to Brailsford that, at 35, he can outride the guy who beat him to win the Tour in 2018, AND the 23 year old who beat that guy to win the Tour in 2019, then Froome will only go as a domestique.
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If Froome doesn’t prove beforehand to Brailsford that, at 35, he can outride the guy who beat him to win the Tour in 2018, AND the 23 year old who beat that guy to win the Tour in 2019, then Froome will only go as a domestique.
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I still think he will be a given a chance for a fifth Tour win but all things considered it won't be easy nigh impossible. Thomas with a better off season probably could have doubled up but his prep for the season plus a few crashes didn't help. I think his Tour opportunities will be over now with Ineos. A betting man would probably say that Bernal wins another Tour next year unless the opposition does something unusual like Quintana finds his 2015 form or Dumoulin getting more TT kms and returning to his best or Pinot actually finishes a grand tour.........hard to see the usual suspects beating Bernal. Hard to see who could beat him unless injuries, crashes etc come into play. Don't see Roglic beating him or Yates. Roglic went into the Giro over cooked but with the right timing he is still podium material for the Tour like Dumoulin. I'd like to see Thomas do the Giro even though the climbs and more chaotic racing probably don't suit him as much.
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I still think he will be a given a chance for a fifth Tour win but all things considered it won't be easy nigh impossible. Thomas with a better off season probably could have doubled up but his prep for the season plus a few crashes didn't help. I think his Tour opportunities will be over now with Ineos. A betting man would probably say that Bernal wins another Tour next year unless the opposition does something unusual like Quintana finds his 2015 form or Dumoulin getting more TT kms and returning to his best or Pinot actually finishes a grand tour.........hard to see the usual suspects beating Bernal. Hard to see who could beat him unless injuries, crashes etc come into play. Don't see Roglic beating him or Yates. Roglic went into the Giro over cooked but with the right timing he is still podium material for the Tour like Dumoulin. I'd like to see Thomas do the Giro even though the climbs and more chaotic racing probably don't suit him as much.
Bernal is going to the Tour next year unless Ineos want to try their best to lose it.
What about the Vuelta this year. Is Thomas going or is that just bookies trying to make the really easy money off people
What about the Vuelta this year. Is Thomas going or is that just bookies trying to make the really easy money off people
Thomas seemed to finish the Tour in good shape. I guess it's possible. the only alternative would be to send some stage hunters. Poels didn't look too good in the Tour. Sivakov probably won't do a second GT this year.
Where does Sivakov fit next year? One-week races again, or does he get promoted to top lieutenant at Giro/Tour? Or go for Vuelta as a co-leader? He's pretty damn impressive and clearly a future GT podium contender.
I have no idea how long he's under contract but at this point he's the fourth best GT rider on Ineos -- I'm not totally sure if he's all that far behind Thomas or Carapaz, actually. (I'm excluding Froome as we can't know his form right now).
If his progression continues, by 2021 he could podium at either Giro or Vuelta, or tbh even the Tour with the right team behind him.
I have no idea how long he's under contract but at this point he's the fourth best GT rider on Ineos -- I'm not totally sure if he's all that far behind Thomas or Carapaz, actually. (I'm excluding Froome as we can't know his form right now).
If his progression continues, by 2021 he could podium at either Giro or Vuelta, or tbh even the Tour with the right team behind him.
I could be totally wrong but I think Thomas has a fair amount left in the tank. I also think Bernal didn't burn all his candles at the Tour either.
Hard to see Sivakov being a team leader next year especially with Carapaz also now on board. I agree he has been impressive this season. Unfortunately I see him as possibly one of the riders that could be poached by other teams simply because of the Ineos depth. Depends when his contract expires of course and what happens with Thomas and Froome. At the moment I see him as a quality domestique for grand tours but also as a second GC choice if something happens to the leader. His Giro ride was very good. As of now he and Bernal are the future of the team for grand tours along with Carapaz.
Will Team Ineos' financial unfair play be tempered by this news?
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Fracking: UK shale reserves may be smaller than previously estimated
Previous research suggested 50 years of shale gas under the UK, but a new study says it could be less than 10.
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Will Team Ineos' financial unfair play be tempered by this news?
Fracking: UK shale reserves may be smaller than previously estimated
Previous research suggested 50 years of shale gas under the UK, but a new study says it could be less than 10.
As Ratcliffes net worth is close to £20 billion, and Ineos were regularly making profits of several billion per year before they even suggested fracking on UK soil, my guess is they are going to be ok.
Team Ineos for Vuelta a España, August 24-September 15: Owain Doull (GBr), Kenny Elissonde (Fra), Tao Geoghegan Hart (GBr), Sebastian Henao (Col), Vasil Kiryienka (Blr), Wout Poels (Ned), Salvatore Puccio (Ita), Ian Stannard (GBr)
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Geoghegan Hart and Poels lead Ineos at the Vuelta a Espana | Cyclingnews.com
British team go with blend of youth and experience at final Grand Tour of 2019
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Not a bad team to support a big leader. Better than the 2014 Tour team for example. Perhaps not enough to push Hart or Poels over the line.
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The uk is small fry compared to what Ineos do in The USAWill Team Ineos' financial unfair play be tempered by this news?
Fracking: UK shale reserves may be smaller than previously estimated
Previous research suggested 50 years of shale gas under the UK, but a new study says it could be less than 10.
Our hard-nosed Radcliffe could gain marginally more influence
in his main territory by backing a US-based team
- I'd recommend Floyds
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NoWill Team Ineos' financial unfair play be tempered by this news?
Fracking: UK shale reserves may be smaller than previously estimated
Previous research suggested 50 years of shale gas under the UK, but a new study says it could be less than 10.
Our hard-nosed Radcliffe could gain marginally more influence
in his main territory by backing a US-based team
- I'd recommend Floyds
I don't think he's really in it to gain influence...sport is just a hobby that he spends a bit of loose change on
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