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Red Rick said:
Yeah I think I would go for stagehunting in the Vuelta if I were Ineos. Some of the Tour dom's were actually rather underwhelming so that makes me wonder if they're not overraced, especially Kwiatkowski.

Weird thing about Carapaz is I really think he signed that contract before he won the Giro and he was originally intended to be another part of the train. I'd think they intended Sivakov/Geoghan Hart/Sosa to be future alternate leaders along with Bernal
I wonder if he managed to re-negotiate his salary after winning the Giro.
 
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gregrowlerson said:
movingtarget said:
Laplaz said:
Next year:
Giro: Captain: Bernal

Tour: Captains: Froome, Thomas
Helpers: Carapaz, Bernal

Vuelta: Captain: Carapaz
Helper: Froome
Giro : Thomas and Sivakov

Tour : Bernal and Froome

Vuelta : Carapaz and Froome if Froome is up for two grand tours
Carapaz will surely be allowed to defend his Giro if he wants to. And no decent GC GT rider ever forgoes the other two GT's to focus on the Vuelta (though I think that some riders should consider doing so).

As for Froome, I would pencil him in for only a second fiddle role at best for the Tour; hard to see him getting back to the top level. Carapaz and Sivakov for the Giro. Bernal and Thomas for the Tour. I suspect that we will finally see 60+ kms of ITT in July next year. Actually with Froome, if his comeback goes well, then perhaps a support role in the Tour, building up to leadership in the Vuelta.
Prudhomme seemed happy with the Tour this year so I think there will be no jump in the TT kms. He too realizes this year's course was tailor made for the French riders and two of them looked good for the majority of the race. Alaphilippe's demise was predictable but who knows what Pinot would have done. As for Bardet he's not even in the race for GC at the moment. But if he had form the course would have been a good one for him. If Prudhomme can keep the French riders in the mix and make an entertaining race he will and this year's race was entertaining until the shortened stages and even then the top five was still pretty close even though Bernal looked to be the winner with his team mate the main danger. I like what the Giro does with the TT's they mix it up more. I don't think the Tour needs short mountain stages every year either but they have become regular now.
 
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What a good problem to have.

Thomas is the big loser of this Tour unless he shines in the Vuelta. Otherwise, it's back to domestic duties. But courses matter, so we don't know yet. We don't know, except that Froome wants another crack at Le Tour.

Ineos is not just about money. They are smart and make no mistakes. Sir Dave and his henchmen will look at routes first, then decide, in an attempt to win all three.
 
oldcrank said:
Not a mistake to bring Il Trattore to the Tour ... either for the Team or for Gianni himself.
In what way did Ineos benefit from Moscon over anyone who could have done some actual work in the mountains for the team. This year they didn't need a train, because they did not have the yellow jersey, but otherwise...
 
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oldcrank said:
Not a mistake to bring Il Trattore to the Tour ... either for the Team or for Gianni himself.
It didnt end up mattering but the form he turned up in surely someone like Elissonde or De La Cruz would of been stronger
 
come on guys, they wouldn't have been in trouble. yes, possibly it could have lead to some crisis of lead-out or thomas and bernal would have had to close up a few attacks more, but all in all barring pinot there were no riders who could outclimb bernal and thomas in this year's tour. granted ineos got really lucky with pinot abandoning, but overall it was under control.
 
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dacooley said:
come on guys, they wouldn't have been in trouble. yes, possibly it could have lead to some crisis of lead-out or thomas and bernal would have had to close up a few attacks more, but all in all barring pinot there were no riders who could outclimb bernal and thomas in this year's tour. granted ineos got really lucky with pinot abandoning, but overall it was under control.
So in other words, it wasn't under control at all and wholly dependent on Pinot having an accident.
 
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tobydawq said:
dacooley said:
come on guys, they wouldn't have been in trouble. yes, possibly it could have lead to some crisis of lead-out or thomas and bernal would have had to close up a few attacks more, but all in all barring pinot there were no riders who could outclimb bernal and thomas in this year's tour. granted ineos got really lucky with pinot abandoning, but overall it was under control.
So in other words, it wasn't under control at all and wholly dependent on Pinot having an accident.
that remains unknown. we saw the way bernal managed to improve in third week. whether pinot would've been able to match to the colombian is a question with no answer.
 
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The train didn't look as dominant as in previous years and didn't spend as much time on the front. The form of some of the domestiques didn't seem to be what it used to be plus Jumbo and Groupama looked stronger. Movistar did what they always do and the results were the same. Landa was always going to try some long range attacks and of course he did have the Giro in his legs and it did look like Pinot was the only real climbing threat. Who knows how he would have gone ? You would think the shorter stages would have helped him as usually the third week is always where his problems occur one way or the other. Also Ineos lost Rowe who does a lot of the early work. Movistar had three riders in the top 10 and surely would have tried something if the last two stages were completed in full. They wouldn't have won the race and normally to have three in the top 10 and not one on the podium would be a fail but then one is almost 40, one did the Giro and the other is now basically a stage hunter and is riding at a level below what he used to be. To me Ineos looked in control after the second rest day but without the dominance of previous years. And the Pinot performance is too hard to predict based on previous grand tours but his climbing and even his TT were stronger than usual.
 
Without meaning to be cruel, insensitive or negative to a rider that rode a very commendable race, it was always more likely for Pinot to DNF than win ... given his recent history in the TdF and Grand Tours in general ... so I'm pretty sure that data was entered into the powerful INEOS super-computer that formulates their Team tactics and of course also analyses rider data from training camps to choose the ideal team composition for the Grand Tours.
So if the most powerful super-computer in all of cycling chose Moscon to ride the Tour I'm not going to argue.
 
Pinot abandoning had no impact on the final results in my book. It was yet to be proven that, with the full stages, Pinot was going to match Bernal. And given his history, without crashes or accidents, it was yet to be proven.
 
oldcrank said:
Without meaning to be cruel, insensitive or negative to a rider that rode a very commendable race, it was always more likely for Pinot to DNF than win ... given his recent history in the TdF and Grand Tours in general ... so I'm pretty sure that data was entered into the powerful INEOS super-computer that formulates their Team tactics and of course also analyses rider data from training camps to choose the ideal team composition for the Grand Tours.
So if the most powerful super-computer in all of cycling chose Moscon to ride the Tour I'm not going to argue.
The “Most Powerful Supercomputer” also originally said “Send Bernal to the Giro.”
 
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barmaher said:
There have never been any indication that the team favours their British riders over others. It's a weird theory.
Have to say I agree with this. It's almost like something posters want to be the case even if there's no real evidence of it. I expect Bernal to be leader at the Tour for as long as they hold on to him
 
I think they'll send Bernal to the Giro next year for Giro-Vuelta double. Winning all GTs at the age of 23 would be quite an achievement and there are more Tours to come for him.

Thomas have indicated that he will be back next year for another shot at the Tour and Froome wants to be in "club 5".
 
Contador did the same thing after having won the Tour in 2007. In 2008, he won both the Giro and Vuelta.

After 2020, Froome and Thomas are senior riders and Bernal can target all the Tours he wants.
 
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Velolover2 said:
I think they'll send Bernal to the Giro next year for Giro-Vuelta double. Winning all GTs at the age of 23 would be quite an achievement and there are more Tours to come for him.

Thomas have indicated that he will be back next year for another shot at the Tour and Froome wants to be in "club 5".
I have a hard time seeing that happen unless Bernal himself wants it which I doubt as I figure he'll want to defend his title. Bernal has rightly deferred to teammates up until now but he's the biggest GT talent we've seen in many, many years and now the first Colombian Tour winner at 22. He's got a TON of leverage. Froome and Thomas will be 35 and 34 and Froome is coming off a major injury. Bernal is about to go home to Colombia to as much celebration and praise as a person can get for being an athlete and I highly doubt after that he'd be ok with being told he won't be able to defend his title. Ineos needs to keep him happy if they want to hold on to him long term.

Of course, it would be more exciting to see him racing against the strongest team in the future rather than with them so I kinda hope they screw this up. :p
 
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jaylew said:
barmaher said:
There have never been any indication that the team favours their British riders over others. It's a weird theory.
Have to say I agree with this. It's almost like something posters want to be the case even if there's no real evidence of it. I expect Bernal to be leader at the Tour for as long as they hold on to him
I think Brailsford really doesnt care, he just wants to win. And it just happened Bernal was their best bet.

Also, Bernal is now Brailsford project. He would want to win A LOT more with him in the future. He is also good in the media and all that, that should also be a plus.
 
Thomas got his chance until Bernal was in yellow. Thomas also attacked after Bernal was already gone on the Galibier.

Obviously the preference for winning was much bigger than the preference for Thomas though.
 
I think that also has to do with the fact that Thomas is much older and obviously won last year. That and the fact that Bernal seemed to have no problem by deferring to Thomas, I dont really think that was by design by Sky to have a British rider win. ¨
 

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