Team Ineos Discussion thread

[DanielSong39]

Still think Bernal is option 1A while Carapaz is 1B
Froome is leaving while Thomas is back to being a domestique
As for Hart, probably gets the chance to be team leader at Giro next year

 

[spalco]

Sky-Ineos has now 'produced' five individual GT winners in under 10 years. Has any team ever had a streak like this?

 

[sir fly]

Brailsford said they've been overtaken by the other teams.
That sure was a fast recovery.
Took the biggest piece of a GT cake ever.

 

[sck451]

One of my favourite results from the Giro this year – Ben Swift finished 18th.

 

[yaco]

Still think Bernal is option 1A while Carapaz is 1B
Froome is leaving while Thomas is back to being a domestique
As for Hart, probably gets the chance to be team leader at Giro next year

You reckon Hart will get the nod before Sivakov - I doubt it very much.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Extraordinary interview from Dave B on Eurosport after the race. Aside from never being so giddy with excitement, he talked about the team's previous wins being 'defensive' and 'boring' - his exact words. That approach seems to be a thing of the past - 'we're the Grenadiers now'. I think in large part that's down to the fact that Sky Train only works if you have the strongest rider in the peloton, which they don't anymore, but I think also partly down to realising how much fun and success they've had over the past 3 weeks.

A Tour next year with Thomas, Adam, Carapaz, Tao, Bernal and Carapaz all throwing caution to the wind, would be fun to watch.

 

[pink_jersey]

Extraordinary interview from Dave B on Eurosport after the race. Aside from never being so giddy with excitement, he talked about the team's previous wins being 'defensive' and 'boring' - his exact words. That approach seems to be a thing of the past - 'we're the Grenadiers now'. I think in large part that's down to the fact that Sky Train only works if you have the strongest rider in the peloton, which they don't anymore, but I think also partly down to realising how much fun and success they've had over the past 3 weeks.

A Tour next year with Thomas, Adam, Carapaz, Tao, Bernal and Carapaz all throwing caution to the wind, would be fun to watch.

Their depth is ridiculous...

Bernal, Thomas, Carapaz, Porte, Yates, Tao, Sivakov, Martinez - all these riders can lead in a GT.
Then you have riders like Sosa, De Plus, Dunbar, Amador, Kwiatkowski, Castroviejo, Dennis who are also very good riders.
I'm not sure about Dennis targets next year but probably he will skip TdF again in order to prepare for the Olympics. Carapaz will want another crack at the Giro. Probably they will go with the young guys like Carapaz, Tao, Sivakov, Sosa in the Giro and the more experienced ones Bernal, Thomas, Porte, Yates in the TdF. Dunno about Martinez and De Plus.

Also, does someone know what's going on with Moscon?

 

[King Of The Wolds]

And you didn't even mention Ganna - the most dominate rider in the world of any discipline.

 

[TomLPC]

Needless disrespect towards past riders that worked hard for their victories to make it seem like this was all part of some big plan. Lets be honest. if Thomas didn't get injured he isn't doing any buccaneering Pantani style 100k out attacks is he.

Like 'people stood on the side of the mountain with bottles' after Froome's solo victory, Brailsford is doing his very best to PR and devalue the *** out of what is a fine win for a young man.

What a tosser.

 

[bigcog]

Needless disrespect towards past riders that worked hard for their victories to make it seem like this was all part of some big plan. Lets be honest. if Thomas didn't get injured he isn't doing any buccaneering Pantani style 100k out attacks is he.

Like 'people stood on the side of the mountain with bottles' after Froome's solo victory, Brailsford is doing his very best to PR and devalue the *** out of what is a fine win for a young man.

What a tosser.

My thoughts exactly. He doesn't half talk some bullshyte, the only reason they rode like that in this Giro was because Thomas crashed out so they went all out for stage victories. Otherwise it would be the usual tactics.

Froome boring ? I would imagine in his early GT career he was doing exactly what Brailsford planned, later when he had more input he's been anything but defensive/boring. Hopefully he rams it down Brailsford throat next year, unlikely but I would love to see it.

 

[pink_jersey]

My thoughts exactly. He doesn't half talk some bullshyte, the only reason they rode like that in this Giro was because Thomas crashed out so they went all out for stage victories. Otherwise it would be the usual tactics.

Froome boring ? I would imagine in his early GT career he was doing exactly what Brailsford planned, later when he had more input he's been anything but defensive/boring. Hopefully he rams it down Brailsford throat next year, unlikely but I would love to see it.

Actually, besides Ganna 2nd stage win and Narvaez stage they would've won all the other 5 stages they've won. Ganna 3 time trials were a sure thing and TAO other two if the favourites would've battle it out as well(probably with Thomas as the winner). I still think that Thomas would've crushed this race.

 

[Parker]

Extraordinary interview from Dave B on Eurosport after the race. Aside from never being so giddy with excitement, he talked about the team's previous wins being 'defensive' and 'boring' - his exact words. That approach seems to be a thing of the past - 'we're the Grenadiers now'. I think in large part that's down to the fact that Sky Train only works if you have the strongest rider in the peloton, which they don't anymore, but I think also partly down to realising how much fun and success they've had over the past 3 weeks.

Although the train tactic was never really used in Giro or Vuelta. It's very much a Tour thing and will be used at the Tour for years to come by someone, just as it was used for years before Sky.

 

[Escarabajo]

Their depth is ridiculous...

Bernal, Thomas, Carapaz, Porte, Yates, Tao, Sivakov, Martinez - all these riders can lead in a GT.
Then you have riders like Sosa, De Plus, Dunbar, Amador, Kwiatkowski, Castroviejo, Dennis who are also very good riders.
I'm not sure about Dennis targets next year but probably he will skip TdF again in order to prepare for the Olympics. Carapaz will want another crack at the Giro. Probably they will go with the young guys like Carapaz, Tao, Sivakov, Sosa in the Giro and the more experienced ones Bernal, Thomas, Porte, Yates in the TdF. Dunno about Martinez and De Plus.

Also, does someone know what's going on with Moscon?

They must be saying "why did we hire Porte?" Lol.

 

[Pricey_sky]

They must be saying "why did we hire Porte?" Lol.

Porte will be a great signing. He said after his podium at the Tour he is done with being a GC rider in GT’s. He doesn’t want the pressure and wants to spend more time with his young family, while helping the younger riders improve.

It’s one less rider they will have to juggle around.

 

[Cookster15]

They must be saying "why did we hire Porte?" Lol.

If you think Dennis was a good signing for the role he played at the Giro then Porte is a huge addition to Ineos since he said he is no longer riding for GC.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Anyone knows what's going on with Sosa? Good in the first race after the lockdown, but after that he has been getting worse and worse. Given the fact that he's Bernal's training buddy and that Bernal performed similar (yes, he also had back problems, but still) one could assume that they both overtrained during the lockdown/race break.

 

[Earns1985]

Anyone knows what's going on with Sosa? Good in the first race after the lockdown, but after that he has been getting worse and worse. Given the fact that he's Bernal's training buddy and that Bernal performed similar (yes, he also had back problems, but still) one could assume that they both overtrained during the lockdown/race break.

Yes. at the vuelta he is invisible at the moment. In the first stages he still had been the last man for Carapaz, but now? Don´t know what happened..

 

[Mayomaniac]

Yes. at the vuelta he is invisible at the moment. In the first stages he still had been the last man for Carapaz, but now? Don´t know what happened..

He has been training with Bernal for years and this year their performances are following the same pattern - a good start (Occitanie and Burgos), but then they keep getting worse and worse. To me it looks like they got their preparation all wrong and training too much during the race break.

 

[JRanton]

Just had a look at their team for next year and they have a ridiculously strong roster for stage races even by their standards.

Bernal, Carapaz, Thomas and Tao are all Grand Tour winners.

Porte, A. Yates, Martinez, Sivakov can all win WT stage races.

Kwiatkowski, Amador, Castroviejo, Dennis, Ganna, De Plus, Sosa, Dunbar, Moscon, Van Baarle, Narvaez and Rowe are all capable of being excellent helpers.

Pidcock is a future star.

 

[Parker]

Just had a look at their team for next year and they have a ridiculously strong roster for stage races even by their standards.

Bernal, Carapaz, Thomas and Tao are all Grand Tour winners.

Porte, A. Yates, Martinez, Sivakov can all win WT stage races.

Kwiatkowski, Amador, Castroviejo, Dennis, Ganna, De Plus, Sosa, Dunbar, Moscon, Van Baarle, Narvaez and Rowe are all capable of being excellent helpers.

Pidcock is a future star.

It will be interesting how they approach the season. With Froome they had the best stage racer, but now they don't. It's up for grabs who is. My pick is Pogacar. Brailsford's talk about riding in a different way seems like someone who thinks he can't replicate the Froome years .

 

[Dekker2.0]

At some point Brailsford is gonna need a bigger budget to extend contracts or to be able to throw some cash at next years top talents.

Riders like de Plus, Martinez and Hart better be earning similarly to Carapaz and Thomas for compromising their own chances in such a team.

Their team is so strong you would almost forget about Carlos Rodriguez which had a very solid season for a 19yo on all kinds of terrain.

 

[yaco]

A budget of 40+ Million Euros is not enough !

 

[WKA311]

A budget of 40+ Million Euros is not enough !

Apparently not. They had a budget of 50m euro in 2019.

 

[jarvo]

Rod Ellingworth back at Ineos, i would suggest he is being paid a substantial increase in salary to leave in effet running a WT team to being back in the ranks of Ineos. Dave B not happy with this years performances is gettig the band back together. Dan Hunt who was previously with Sky during the earlier years and left to work with the premier league is also back

 

[TourOfSardinia]

So the EU was the place to be after all ?