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Extraordinary interview from Dave B on Eurosport after the race. Aside from never being so giddy with excitement, he talked about the team's previous wins being 'defensive' and 'boring' - his exact words. That approach seems to be a thing of the past - 'we're the Grenadiers now'. I think in large part that's down to the fact that Sky Train only works if you have the strongest rider in the peloton, which they don't anymore, but I think also partly down to realising how much fun and success they've had over the past 3 weeks.

A Tour next year with Thomas, Adam, Carapaz, Tao, Bernal and Carapaz all throwing caution to the wind, would be fun to watch.
 
Extraordinary interview from Dave B on Eurosport after the race. Aside from never being so giddy with excitement, he talked about the team's previous wins being 'defensive' and 'boring' - his exact words. That approach seems to be a thing of the past - 'we're the Grenadiers now'. I think in large part that's down to the fact that Sky Train only works if you have the strongest rider in the peloton, which they don't anymore, but I think also partly down to realising how much fun and success they've had over the past 3 weeks.

A Tour next year with Thomas, Adam, Carapaz, Tao, Bernal and Carapaz all throwing caution to the wind, would be fun to watch.
Their depth is ridiculous...

Bernal, Thomas, Carapaz, Porte, Yates, Tao, Sivakov, Martinez - all these riders can lead in a GT.
Then you have riders like Sosa, De Plus, Dunbar, Amador, Kwiatkowski, Castroviejo, Dennis who are also very good riders.
I'm not sure about Dennis targets next year but probably he will skip TdF again in order to prepare for the Olympics. Carapaz will want another crack at the Giro. Probably they will go with the young guys like Carapaz, Tao, Sivakov, Sosa in the Giro and the more experienced ones Bernal, Thomas, Porte, Yates in the TdF. Dunno about Martinez and De Plus.

Also, does someone know what's going on with Moscon?
 
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Needless disrespect towards past riders that worked hard for their victories to make it seem like this was all part of some big plan. Lets be honest. if Thomas didn't get injured he isn't doing any buccaneering Pantani style 100k out attacks is he.

Like 'people stood on the side of the mountain with bottles' after Froome's solo victory, Brailsford is doing his very best to PR and devalue the *** out of what is a fine win for a young man.

What a tosser.
 
Needless disrespect towards past riders that worked hard for their victories to make it seem like this was all part of some big plan. Lets be honest. if Thomas didn't get injured he isn't doing any buccaneering Pantani style 100k out attacks is he.

Like 'people stood on the side of the mountain with bottles' after Froome's solo victory, Brailsford is doing his very best to PR and devalue the *** out of what is a fine win for a young man.

What a tosser.
My thoughts exactly. He doesn't half talk some bullshyte, the only reason they rode like that in this Giro was because Thomas crashed out so they went all out for stage victories. Otherwise it would be the usual tactics.

Froome boring ? I would imagine in his early GT career he was doing exactly what Brailsford planned, later when he had more input he's been anything but defensive/boring. Hopefully he rams it down Brailsford throat next year, unlikely but I would love to see it.
 
My thoughts exactly. He doesn't half talk some bullshyte, the only reason they rode like that in this Giro was because Thomas crashed out so they went all out for stage victories. Otherwise it would be the usual tactics.

Froome boring ? I would imagine in his early GT career he was doing exactly what Brailsford planned, later when he had more input he's been anything but defensive/boring. Hopefully he rams it down Brailsford throat next year, unlikely but I would love to see it.
Actually, besides Ganna 2nd stage win and Narvaez stage they would've won all the other 5 stages they've won. Ganna 3 time trials were a sure thing and TAO other two if the favourites would've battle it out as well(probably with Thomas as the winner). I still think that Thomas would've crushed this race.
 
Extraordinary interview from Dave B on Eurosport after the race. Aside from never being so giddy with excitement, he talked about the team's previous wins being 'defensive' and 'boring' - his exact words. That approach seems to be a thing of the past - 'we're the Grenadiers now'. I think in large part that's down to the fact that Sky Train only works if you have the strongest rider in the peloton, which they don't anymore, but I think also partly down to realising how much fun and success they've had over the past 3 weeks.

Although the train tactic was never really used in Giro or Vuelta. It's very much a Tour thing and will be used at the Tour for years to come by someone, just as it was used for years before Sky.
 
Their depth is ridiculous...

Bernal, Thomas, Carapaz, Porte, Yates, Tao, Sivakov, Martinez - all these riders can lead in a GT.
Then you have riders like Sosa, De Plus, Dunbar, Amador, Kwiatkowski, Castroviejo, Dennis who are also very good riders.
I'm not sure about Dennis targets next year but probably he will skip TdF again in order to prepare for the Olympics. Carapaz will want another crack at the Giro. Probably they will go with the young guys like Carapaz, Tao, Sivakov, Sosa in the Giro and the more experienced ones Bernal, Thomas, Porte, Yates in the TdF. Dunno about Martinez and De Plus.

Also, does someone know what's going on with Moscon?
They must be saying "why did we hire Porte?" Lol.
 
Anyone knows what's going on with Sosa? Good in the first race after the lockdown, but after that he has been getting worse and worse. Given the fact that he's Bernal's training buddy and that Bernal performed similar (yes, he also had back problems, but still) one could assume that they both overtrained during the lockdown/race break.
 
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Anyone knows what's going on with Sosa? Good in the first race after the lockdown, but after that he has been getting worse and worse. Given the fact that he's Bernal's training buddy and that Bernal performed similar (yes, he also had back problems, but still) one could assume that they both overtrained during the lockdown/race break.
Yes. at the vuelta he is invisible at the moment. In the first stages he still had been the last man for Carapaz, but now? Don´t know what happened..
 
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Yes. at the vuelta he is invisible at the moment. In the first stages he still had been the last man for Carapaz, but now? Don´t know what happened..
He has been training with Bernal for years and this year their performances are following the same pattern - a good start (Occitanie and Burgos), but then they keep getting worse and worse. To me it looks like they got their preparation all wrong and training too much during the race break.
 
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