Team Ineos Discussion thread

[Gigs_98]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

This is one of the things I dislike about sky. Last year Landa proved to be a potential future gt winner so they sign him. Then they notice that Thomas could be a gt leader in the future, so they say he should lead the team in future stage races. Then Landa doesn't immediately win the first gt he races as a leader due to sickness so they want to sign Kruijswijk. What the hell is wrong with this team. How can they have so much money? I mean, we are basically lucky because riders like Kwiat aren't in top shape otherwise their tour team for this year would be even stronger but even now they are ridiculously strong and still buy more and more and more top stars. If they would really sigh Kruijswijk they have 4 potential gt leaders and honestly the majority of Sky's other climbers are so strong that they would also be leaders if they would ride for weaker teams.

 

[yaco]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

In some morning transfer news, Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf have reported Team Sky are looking into signing Steven Kruijswijk from LottoNL-Jumbo after his breakout Giro performance in May."

Wouldn't make much sense. Sky already have Landa and Thomas capable of leading in GTs. Also with Adam Yates potentially joining in the future as a leader and Seb Heano, Wout Poels, Sergio Henao all capable of developing into GC riders why would you block their development?

The only reason i could see was if they expected Thomas to leave? or to not be able to sign the Yates in the coming years?

Why would A.Yates go to Sky ? Stays with OBE and he will be riding for GC at the 2017 Vuelta - Go to another team and it will be a similar story - Go to Sky and be a domestique.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

This is one of the things I dislike about sky. Last year Landa proved to be a potential future gt winner so they sign him. Then they notice that Thomas could be a gt leader in the future, so they say he should lead the team in future stage races. Then Landa doesn't immediately win the first gt he races as a leader due to sickness so they want to sign Kruijswijk. What the hell is wrong with this team. How can they have so much money? I mean, we are basically lucky because riders like Kwiat aren't in top shape otherwise their tour team for this year would be even stronger but even now they are ridiculously strong and still buy more and more and more top stars. If they would really sigh Kruijswijk they have 4 potential gt leaders and honestly the majority of Sky's other climbers are so strong that they would also be leaders if they would ride for weaker teams.

Sky seeks popular riders. Landa Kwait and Kruij are more popular than they are GT podium material. Not that Landa cant win this years Tour even but his popularity would be proportionally as if he won a hundred also Kruij will never win a GT.

 

[yaco]

It will be interesting to see how Sky go as a team in the TDF - I suspect there will be collaboration between teams to make it as uncomforable as possible for sky.

 

[vedrafjord]

That's been said the last few years (e.g. the possibility any pair of Movistar/Tinkoff/Astana collaborating) but it's never happened.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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That's been said the last few years (e.g. the possibility any pair of Movistar/Tinkoff/Astana collaborating) but it's never happened.

Exactly, Astana and Tinkoff didn't exactly see eye to eye after last years Giro. Whilst Movistars Tour tactics can be baffling to say the least, they even chased down Contador when he tried to attack last year even though he wasn't really a threat. DS's are under so much pressure from sponsors due to the money and publicity on offer at the Tour that most are happy to not lose a podium spot. In doing so they will neutralise anyone they feel will be a rival.

 

[Red Rick]

Well, I was already totally done with Team Sky. I didn't think it could get worse. Seems they're trying hard though

 

[HelloDolly]

Astana and Movistar don;t need to collaborate ...they are very strong teams in their own right...Tinkoff not so much as this Tour is a climbers Tour and some of their riders are for Sagan

I think people and SKY themselves are getting carried away about the team,...of course they are good but only in top form but neither Poels nor Thomas have looked as good as last year in the run up to this Tour

Landa is a top climber but only if in form and not sick...and lets face it he has been sick alot of this year...got sick at the Giro...who is to say he wont at the Tour. Heano has pace and can climb but will he still be going strong in the last week ..his 3 week Tour record would suggest otherwise

Don't get me wrong SKY are strong but lets not get carried away and think they have won it already

Look at Astana with Nibs, Aru, Fuglsang, Kangert, etc ... that is a very strong team
Movistar with Valaverde, Anacona, and two Izzagirre brothers, Moreno, etc

SKY are not going to walk this Tour and in the end it will come down to the strongest among the leaders

 

[HelloDolly]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

This is one of the things I dislike about sky. Last year Landa proved to be a potential future gt winner so they sign him. Then they notice that Thomas could be a gt leader in the future, so they say he should lead the team in future stage races. Then Landa doesn't immediately win the first gt he races as a leader due to sickness so they want to sign Kruijswijk. What the hell is wrong with this team. How can they have so much money? I mean, we are basically lucky because riders like Kwiat aren't in top shape otherwise their tour team for this year would be even stronger but even now they are ridiculously strong and still buy more and more and more top stars. If they would really sigh Kruijswijk they have 4 potential gt leaders and honestly the majority of Sky's other climbers are so strong that they would also be leaders if they would ride for weaker teams.

Sky seeks popular riders. Landa Kwait and Kruij are more popular than they are GT podium material. Not that Landa cant win this years Tour even but his popularity would be proportionally as if he won a hundred also Kruij will never win a GT.

If SKY were that interested in popular riders they'd sign Sagan .... and maybe get rid of Froome and sign Contador

Also signing Kwait for his popularity ( as you suggest though I don;t see it that way) would hardly work if they then left him out of the Tour team

Brailsford is interested in signing top climbers ...the more the better...He obviously believes that they can then fight for a place in the Tour team

He has said as much in an interview before ....and not that interested in other races

 

[Pricey_sky]

As for the Kruijswijk rumour, it is just a rumour. There will be lots of them flying around at this time of the year. I think almost every free agent was linked to Sky last summer.

 

[King Boonen]

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As for the Kruijswijk rumour, it is just a rumour. There will be lots of them flying around at this time of the year. I think almost every free agent was linked to Sky last summer.

I'm pretty sure I was at one point!

 

[Pricey_sky]

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As for the Kruijswijk rumour, it is just a rumour. There will be lots of them flying around at this time of the year. I think almost every free agent was linked to Sky last summer.

I'm pretty sure I was at one point!

Yes, I do remember reading about it in L'equipe!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Imagine this years Kruijswijk with a Sky climbing train. He'd be unbeatable in a Giro. And he could easily let go in the descent and rely on his team to minimize the gap.

 

[boasson]

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Astana and Movistar don;t need to collaborate ...they are very strong teams in their own right...Tinkoff not so much as this Tour is a climbers Tour and some of their riders are for Sagan

I think people and SKY themselves are getting carried away about the team,...of course they are good but only in top form but neither Poels nor Thomas have looked as good as last year in the run up to this Tour

Landa is a top climber but only if in form and not sick...and lets face it he has been sick alot of this year...got sick at the Giro...who is to say he wont at the Tour. Heano has pace and can climb but will he still be going strong in the last week ..his 3 week Tour record would suggest otherwise

Don't get me wrong SKY are strong but lets not get carried away and think they have won it already

Look at Astana with Nibs, Aru, Fuglsang, Kangert, etc ... that is a very strong team
Movistar with Valaverde, Anacona, and two Izzagirre brothers, Moreno, etc

SKY are not going to walk this Tour and in the end it will come down to the strongest among the leaders

Can you describe me the marked sentence based on results???

I mean, you talk about the winner of this years Volta Algarve against Contador, Paris Nice against Contador, Comunitat Valencia and Liege Bastogne Liege. They have won what last year, to look not as good this year???

 

[pink_jersey]

Thomas was really *** in this year Tour de Suisse. Last year he was much better.
Poels was bad as well in this year Dauphine compared to last year.

 

[boasson]

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Thomas was really **** in this year Tour de Suisse. Last year he was much better.
Poels was bad as well in this year Dauphine compared to last year.

Poels:

GC Dauphine 2015: 39th
GC Dauphine 2016: 25th

Thomas:

TDS 2015: Same level as Spilak and Dumoulin. 5th in the TT; Lost about 50 secs at Rettenbachferner
TDS 2016: Pretty the same level as Rui Costa, Spilak, Talansky - beside the last day where he gave up and saved as much energy as possible for the tour. 9th in the TT; Lost about a Minute at Rettenbachferner

Poels was much better at every! race this year compared to last year.
G was much stronger in the spring and equal at Romandie and TDS with last year.

 

[HelloDolly]

Where Thomas & Poels come in a race where they are a Dom is neither here nor there ...and also what they did earlier in the season...not really evidence that demonstrates their current form

Thomas was climbing very well in Suisse last eyar ...this year he was way off

Poels was last man for Froome at Dauphine last year but was not climbing well at this years Dauphine..

They may come good at the Tour but my point is just before the Tour they don't look invincible or to be climbing as well as last year ...take it or leave it

 

[Ricco']

Regarding Poels, this year he has the hope of contend for the Olympic RR, as well as start the Vuelta with a free role.

Maybe that's all part of the plan so that he reaches his best in the last week and not earlier on. Plenty of meat to burn in Sky until that moment.

 

[Mr.White]

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Thomas was really **** in this year Tour de Suisse. Last year he was much better.
Poels was bad as well in this year Dauphine compared to last year.

Poels:

GC Dauphine 2015: 39th
GC Dauphine 2016: 25th

Thomas:

TDS 2015: Same level as Spilak and Dumoulin. 5th in the TT; Lost about 50 secs at Rettenbachferner
TDS 2016: Pretty the same level as Rui Costa, Spilak, Talansky - beside the last day where he gave up and saved as much energy as possible for the tour. 9th in the TT; Lost about a Minute at Rettenbachferner

Poels was much better at every! race this year compared to last year.
G was much stronger in the spring and equal at Romandie and TDS with last year.

You really need to watch those races again!

 

[Oliwright]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

G came down in that crash at the end, although by the looks of things he fell into bodies so hopefully he's ok!

 

[Robert5091]

chicken casserole - that's the secret to Sky's success
http://www.executivestyle.com.au/what-team-sky-will-eat-at-the-tour-de-france-gpxxjh

 

[HelloDolly]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

G came down in that crash at the end, although by the looks of things he fell into bodies so hopefully he's ok!

G riding with a rib injury now

But even so it was obvious from the off at this Tour his form is no where near it was last year

I guess its now full dom duty for him

 

[therealthing]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Landa is a FAR better choice for a plan B than G is. He should be protected.

 

[rick james]

Thomas should realise their is no shame in being a good week long racer, it's s different game altogether when it comes to grand tours

 

[Singer01]

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Thomas should realise their is no shame in being a good week long racer, it's s different game altogether when it comes to grand tours

after his performance last year up to the crash, i think he is entitled to at least one bite of the cherry.