Team Ineos Discussion thread

[samhocking]

His UCI contract begins end of August, that's why he is on the RTP but not the Ineos list with UCI yet.

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[samhocking]

He's not a Neo rider yet either, they are:
August, Hayter, Leonard and Tarling.

 

[ciranda]

Storm is not a track rider, he's a road cyclist who also competes in track cycling

he was signed by Ineos for this whole season, word in spring was that he had some personal issues and took a break from training and so did not get to start any race

 

[RedheadDane]

His UCI contract begins end of August, that's why he is on the RTP but not the Ineos list with UCI yet.

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That's not what Ineos themselves are writing about the matter...

Highly talented young Dane Theodor Storm joined the team ahead of the 2024 season, turning pro as an 18 year old.

What I've been pointing out is that it seems someone at the UCI didn't get the memo that the plans changed, after he was initially only supposed to join next year.

 

[samhocking]

Storm is not a track rider, he's a road cyclist who also competes in track cycling

he was signed by Ineos for this whole season, word in spring was that he had some personal issues and took a break from training and so did not get to start any race

Well he's endurance track so generally they do come from a road racing background too like Wiggins, Thomas etc. As far as I've read, his contract begins in August, so maybe that's why he isn't on UCI's list for Ineos yet?

 

[samhocking]

That's not what Ineos themselves are writing about the matter...



What I've been pointing out is that it seems someone at the UCI didn't get the memo that the plans changed, after he was initially only supposed to join next year.

I really don't think it works like that. Rider signs a contract, UCI add them to the list of riders registered under the team / paying agent etc.
It might be Ineos have moved his contract because their initial announcement made it sound like he was racing for them this year, but clearly UCI are aware because he's only in the RTP not the Teams list of registered riders.

 

[Rob5091]

So G's another one riding along with the Covid ...

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...covid-but-continues-on-at-2024-tour-de-france

"I've tested positive but I've got mild symptoms so the doctor is monitoring me closely."

 

[RedheadDane]

As far as I've read, his contract begins in August, so maybe that's why he isn't on UCI's list for Ineos yet?

Where have you read that? Clearly not anywhere on Ineos' website, as they write the beginning of the year.

 

[ciranda]

Well he's endurance track so generally they do come from a road racing background too like Wiggins, Thomas etc. As far as I've read, his contract begins in August, so maybe that's why he isn't on UCI's list for Ineos yet?

no

road cyclist, does track in addition to that

 

[samhocking]

Where have you read that? Clearly not anywhere on Ineos' website, as they write the beginning of the year.

Websites are not realtime reality of a riders contract situation. I probably read it in CW, but didn't think anything of it as I thought, ahh he's probably gonna start racing for them in August after Olympics then as wondered why he wasn't on the UCI list for Ineos.

 

[samhocking]

no

road cyclist, does track in addition to that

Yes, that's what I just said 'so generally they do come from a road racing background'. The only track disciplines that usually arn't combined with pro road is Sprint. ie your Hoy's Kenny's etc.

 

[RedheadDane]

he was signed by Ineos for this whole season, word in spring was that he had some personal issues and took a break from training and so did not get to start any race

Now I actually wonder; would mental health issues also be a legit reason for a rider to not race? Just like physical injury is.

Websites are not realtime reality of a riders contract situation.

Surely, the whole point of websites is they can be updated to reflect current realities.

 

[samhocking]

I'm not sure what the issue is for you here, the only website and rider list that is of relevance is UCI's who organise the sport and manage the rider and their ranking in realtime and they have not listed Storm on Ineos's riders yet for whatever reason that is, personal, olympics whatever.

 

[JRanton]

I'm not sure what the issue is for you here, the only website and rider list that is of relevance is UCI's who organise the sport and manage the rider and their ranking in realtime and they have not listed Storm on Ineos's riders yet for whatever reason that is, personal, olympics whatever.

A journalist reported that this was a mistake by the UCI. Storm signed for Ineos at the start of the season but has been unable to race so far due to illness.

 

[samhocking]

I remember Ineos originally announced him joining for the 2025 season, then later that was scrapped and he was to begin racing in 2024, so it might be UCI have simply left it until he signs on to his first race with Ineos, then his ranking and listing will obviously get updated automatically then.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

I wonder if Thomas jacks it in anytime due to covid. I'm starting to like Rodriguez more ,always seem to be consistent but just a level or 2 below the big 2. Onwards and upwards for him.

 

[samhocking]

I wonder if Thomas jacks it in anytime due to covid. I'm starting to like Rodriguez more ,always seem to be consistent but just a level or 2 below the big 2. Onwards and upwards for him.

He came through the Ellingworth school in Italy where you should never give up until it's impossible to pedal lol so I doubt it!

 

[Unchained]

I wonder if Thomas jacks it in anytime due to covid. I'm starting to like Rodriguez more ,always seem to be consistent but just a level or 2 below the big 2. Onwards and upwards for him.

I second that!! Rodriguez went really deep today, he worked really really hard to keep the gap manageable. Impressive effort. He does everything lately wo much support, I would have thought Pidcock and Bernal would be able to contribute more..

 

[movingtarget]

UAE are the new Sky or close enough. Ineos need some fresh blood re team leaders. Rodriguez is good and could get better. Thomas getting ready for retirement. Bernal not the rider he was. TGH and Yates are gone. They look a bit rudderless in grand tours at the moment. The best young riders are currently locked up,, might be a few around next season.

 

[red_flanders]

I'm not sure what to make of Pidcock at this point. He just doesn't seem as passionate about road racing as he does about other disciplines. Maybe it's the team structure, where he's just not favored for the Tour over a less dynamic but more consistent rider like Rodriguez. Maybe he's just a mountain biker at heart. Maybe it's hard for him to see how he could be at the top of this sport with all the incredible young riders like Tadej, Jonas, Remco, etc.

Thoughts? I really like Pidcock when he's firing, it's joy to watch that guy ride a bike. Bummed to see him go out of the race. For those who follow the team more closely, any thoughts on the above?

 

[JRanton]

I'm not sure what to make of Pidcock at this point. He just doesn't seem as passionate about road racing as he does about other disciplines. Maybe it's the team structure, where he's just not favored for the Tour over a less dynamic but more consistent rider like Rodriguez. Maybe he's just a mountain biker at heart. Maybe it's hard for him to see how he could be at the top of this sport with all the incredible young riders like Tadej, Jonas, Remco, etc.

Thoughts? I really like Pidcock when he's firing, it's joy to watch that guy ride a bike. Bummed to see him go out of the race. For those who follow the team more closely, any thoughts on the above?

I think your point about him becoming a bit despondent about the incredible level of Tadej, Jonas and Remco is a good one. You could add MVDP in the classics as well of course. He was still able to win Amstel this year which is a really good win but he’s a level or two below the aliens in road racing and it’s hard to see how he realistically closes that gap.

 

[Rob5091]

The team seem to reflect the apparent chaos in the management at the moment. Kiddies, old men, Rodriguez & Bernal. If Rodriguez had gone back to Movistar, they'd be almost left with only Pidcock for stage hunting and Pidcock appears not too happy at Ineos.

 

[samhocking]

I think your point about him becoming a bit despondent about the incredible level of Tadej, Jonas and Remco is a good one. You could add MVDP in the classics as well of course. He was still able to win Amstel this year which is a really good win but he’s a level or two below the aliens in road racing and it’s hard to see how he realistically closes that gap.

Seems pretty simple the direction he needs to go 'if' he wants to focus on Road. All the riders you mention are not racing 3 disciplines to a World Championship winning level concurrently through the year. Every MTB race is at least 3 days out of doing specific Road work or cutting training camps short to travel. Every race in US is a week out etc. Obviously the racing itself is minimal fatigue compared to the training he must be doing anyway to be the best in World at MTB, but like MVDP, the best results on the road came for MVDP when he largely gave up MTB. He's not even racing Olympics MTB afaik either.

 

[Monte Serra]

Will the next season be the first since 2010 for Ineos/Sky to not get a single rides on a Grand Tour podium?

The decline in competitiveness is palpable:
Last Tour de France win: 2019 (Bernal)
Last Grand Tour win: 2021 Giro (Bernal)
Last Tour de France podium: 2022 (Thomas)
Last Grand Tour podium: 2024 Giro (Thomas)

I guess Carlos Rodriguez might be able to get a Vuelta or Giro podium, in a weak field. But they currently don't have anyone that can be expected to compete for a win. Was management deluded by Pidcock s boast that he aims to win the Tour de France?

 

[Axel Hangleck]

For Pidcock focus entirely on the road is the obvious solution - and he thought that's what he needed to do. However, he now thinks he has to mix disciplines to keep himself fresh.

I think Red Bull would probably like him on their team, and allow him more freedom - and wear their helmet on the road.