Team Ineos Discussion thread

[awavey]

Bit late for that...

theyve hired a whole bunch of new coaches it seems https://www.ineosgrenadiers.com/news/new-staff-and-performance-structure-changes-announced/

 

[Sandisfan]

He has now. Can't even beat a small country like new zealand.

Anyway, Ineos have signed a new sprint coach for Ethan Hayter. Not really sure how that helps anyone

It gets the Coach a Nice Paycheck, That's Who! LOL I wasn't taking a shot at you just seemed like a funny line.

 

[RedheadDane]

theyve hired a whole bunch of new coaches it seems https://www.ineosgrenadiers.com/news/new-staff-and-performance-structure-changes-announced/

Still a bit strange to seemingly hire a coach specifically for a guy who's leaving.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Still a bit strange to seemingly hire a coach specifically for a guy who's leaving.

Maybe they want to make sure he becomes a horrible signing for QS.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Maybe they want to make sure he becomes a horrible signing for QS.

It bit late, other than wearing their kit and riding a Pinarello his Ineos involvement has finished.

 

[RedheadDane]

It bit late, other than wearing their kit and riding a Pinarello his Ineos involvement has finished.

I think what Samu meant was having the coach follow Hayter to QS, and then deliberately coach him badly.

 

[Izzyeviel]

'when approaching a sprint finish, always keep your energy by riding at the back of the peloton.'

 

[samhocking]

Dr Kordi isn't being hired as a sprint coach anyway. Essentially Dan Bigham's role is replaced by Dr Kordi on the Performance Support & Innovation side and Dr Oggiano on the Aerodynamics Research and Development side.

 

[Izzyeviel]

so they've hired a sprint coach to coach something else? This just gets better & better

 

[Sciatic]

so they've hired a sprint coach to coach something else? This just gets better & better

Not the 1st time: they hired a former swim coach as a trainer.

 

[samhocking]

so they've hired a sprint coach to coach something else? This just gets better & better

Sport and Exercise Physiology Phd guys at that level are not just experts in one tiny discipline like sprinting lol! He did work at Dutch National Cycling Union as Head sprint coach then head endurance coach and finally overseeing all National Dutch coaching. A big loss for Dutch cycling, he was a key part of their rise to overhaul GB and Aus.
Good podcast on his time with the Dutch here:

#301 Mehdi Kordi - Transforming a Coaching Culture​

The Sport Psych Show
Play

 

[Tim Cahill]

It's never too late Harrie.

 

[Rob5091]

Kurt Asle Arvesen says, no more GC, now it's stages and one day races ...
https://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/kurt-asle-arvesen-med-oppsiktsvekkende-comeback/17101861/

(What do ya mean you can n't read Norwegian? OK, try HERE then for an English version)

 

[pastronef]

Kurt Asle Arvesen says, no more GC, now it's stages and one day races ...
https://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/kurt-asle-arvesen-med-oppsiktsvekkende-comeback/17101861/

(What do ya mean you can n't read Norwegian? OK, try HERE then for an English version)

I really want G to give cobbles a last go, like Wiggo did

 

[theyoungest]

Sport and Exercise Physiology Phd guys at that level are not just experts in one tiny discipline like sprinting lol! He did work at Dutch National Cycling Union as Head sprint coach then head endurance coach and finally overseeing all National Dutch coaching. A big loss for Dutch cycling, he was a key part of their rise to overhaul GB and Aus.
Good podcast on his time with the Dutch here:

#301 Mehdi Kordi - Transforming a Coaching Culture​

The Sport Psych Show
Play

Since the main main of Dutch track sprinting, Harrie Lavreysen, didn't want to work with Mehdi Kordi anymore before the Olympics and chose to return to his former coach Hugo Haak, I wonder how much of a loss it really is (and how much of a gain for Ineos).

 

[Wyndbrook]

I really want G to give cobbles a last go, like Wiggo did

The missed opportunity Roubaix, Thomas said he waited for Wiggins to move when Terpstra attacked and then it was too late. May not have worked out but everyone sat and watched him go up the road.

 

[RedheadDane]

(What do ya mean you can n't read Norwegian? OK, try HERE then for an English version)

I could actually read it.

Well... not each word on their own, but by sort of... deducting the meaning from the context.

 

[Sciatic]

The missed opportunity Roubaix, Thomas said he waited for Wiggins to move when Terpstra attacked and then it was too late. May not have worked out but everyone sat and watched him go up the road.

But you could say the same about every rider in that very elite group waiting for someone else to chase. You think Thomas was going to beat Boonen and Cancellara (was Sagan still there too?).
Was one of the most disappointing finishes I’ve ever seen. The most elite group possible heading into Roubaix, 6 km to go, the ultimate showdown of the very best cobbles specialists, eager anticipation and then . . . Pfffst. The air went out out of the balloon. No discredit to Terpstra, just disappointing for a cycling fan.

 

[awavey]

But you could say the same about every rider in that very elite group waiting for someone else to chase. You think Thomas was going to beat Boonen and Cancellara (was Sagan still there too?).
Was one of the most disappointing finishes I’ve ever seen. The most elite group possible heading into Roubaix, 6 km to go, the ultimate showdown of the very best cobbles specialists, eager anticipation and then . . . Pfffst. The air went out out of the balloon. No discredit to Terpstra, just disappointing for a cycling fan.

Yeah it's the ifs and buts and always, but that was Thomas's best chance at the win and I think he could have beaten anyone on that day.

 

[awavey]

GCNs Dan Lloyd breaksdown whats going on at Ineos

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG6ZTaxf6Bw

 

[Red Rick]

The missed opportunity Roubaix, Thomas said he waited for Wiggins to move when Terpstra attacked and then it was too late. May not have worked out but everyone sat and watched him go up the road.

Shows you how Thomas has 0 cycling brain cause he was waiting for Bradley frigging Wiggins to attack

 

[Wyndbrook]

Shows you how Thomas has 0 cycling brain cause he was waiting for Bradley frigging Wiggins to attack

Perhaps, but I think it just demonstrates what a good team player he has always been, deferring to his leader.

 

[Sciatic]

Perhaps, but I think it just demonstrates what a good team player he has always been, deferring to his leader.

Raises the question though, how does letting another rider go up the road without chasing help get a team win? That’s exactly what a dom accompanying a leader in a final group would be expected to do. What else was he waiting for? To lead Wiggins out in a sprint against Boonen on the Velodrome?

 

[Lequack]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1JgFSFGu3g

 

[Wyndbrook]

Raises the question though, how does letting another rider go up the road without chasing help get a team win? That’s exactly what a dom accompanying a leader in a final group would be expected to do. What else was he waiting for? To lead Wiggins out in a sprint against Boonen on the Velodrome?

Too late by then I would have thought,.