Team Ineos Discussion thread

[HelloDolly]

SKY need to protect Landa & Heano for as long as possible ...but I guess Landa is the G heir apparent now

 

[AlexNYC]

Landa and Henao are the only other Sky riders with the same time as Froome, which probably indicates that Sky are keeping their options open about which of the two will be the second GC option. If I had to guess, I'd say they want Landa to play that role, but they'll wait until later in the race to make a final decision.

 

[Oliwright]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Dave B said on ITV's coverage that they will try to keep Froome, G and Landa up there. He said there is no point keeping people who aren't genuine GC candidates, as team wont chase them.

 

[HelloDolly]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Dave B said on ITV's coverage that they will try to keep Froome, G and Landa up there. He said there is no point keeping people who aren't genuine GC candidates, as team wont chase them.

Except Henao is climbing better than Thomas as he was at Paris Nice ....guess must be the reason I expect Henao to be moving on...He is in a better position than Thomas and in better form

And who said SKY aren't UK centric

 

[Kokoso]

Mikel Nieve is great so far. This is one rider that doesn't get much attention, but deserves it fully. One of the best climbers out there these days surely, but woeful time trialist and even Sky could do nothing with that.
I suspect if he was given Henao's role he would have been as good as him.

On the top of it, he seems very likeable.
Edit: and I like Basques, for whatever reason.

 

[HelloDolly]

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Mikel Nieve is great so far. This is one rider that doesn't get much attention, but deserves it fully. One of the best climbers out there these days surely, but woeful time trialist and even Sky could do nothing with that.
I suspect if he was given Henao's role he would have been as good as him.

On the top of it, he seems very likeable.iii
Edit: and I like Basques, for whatever reason.

I was singing his praises before the Tour & fighting for his inclusion
He is a different rider to Henao ...heano is a faster finsher and a better TT but to date has not produced a result over 3 weeks
though now is Heano's time

I suspect what will happen is Nieve will be key for Froomeon the long climbs like Ventoux and the Alps

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Mikel Nieve is great so far. This is one rider that doesn't get much attention, but deserves it fully. One of the best climbers out there these days surely, but woeful time trialist and even Sky could do nothing with that.
I suspect if he was given Henao's role he would have been as good as him.

On the top of it, he seems very likeable.iii
Edit: and I like Basques, for whatever reason.

I was singing his praises before the Tour & fighting for his inclusion
He is a different rider to Henao ...heano is a faster finsher and a better TT but to date has not produced a result over 3 weeks
though now is Heano's time

I suspect what will happen is Nieve will be key for Froomeon the long climbs like Ventoux and the Alps

Landa has been taking marathons pulls, Nieve has been great, Henao likewise, but Thomas and Poels are not good right now, pretty expected IMO. Hopefully it will stay that way since those 5 would be able to shut almost everything down apart from an all out Quintana attack

 

[Kokoso]

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Landa has been taking marathons pulls, Nieve has been great, Henao likewise, but Thomas and Poels are not good right now, pretty expected IMO. Hopefully it will stay that way since those 5 would be able to shut almost everything down apart from an all out Quintana attack

Thomas is worse than Henao obviuosly, but he might be able to do pulls as Landa and Nieve are doing, who knows. Landa and Nieve made long pulls, but especially in case of Landa tempo wasn't hard to enough to reduce the groups much. Such performance Thomas could pull off too I think.

Poels not being as great as he's hyped, well...he might be saving powers.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Re: Re:

Landa has been taking marathons pulls, Nieve has been great, Henao likewise, but Thomas and Poels are not good right now, pretty expected IMO. Hopefully it will stay that way since those 5 would be able to shut almost everything down apart from an all out Quintana attack

Thomas is worse than Henao obviuosly, but he might be able to do pulls as Landa and Nieve are doing, who knows. Landa and Nieve made long pulls, but especially in case of Landa tempo wasn't hard to enough to reduce the groups much. Such performance Thomas could pull off too I think.

Poels not being as great as he's hyped, well...he might be saving powers.

Last years Tour the sky doms rotated in most stages. Porte had a couple of great days, same with Poels towards the end, Thomas was strong for 2 weeks but faded.

I would not be surprised if Poels was a key man in the final week, while Thomas has said he's slowly feeling Stronger, while perhaps Nieve who has done the Giro may fade.

Unless other teams are massively sandbagging Sky should have the advantage regardless, in the mountains so far most other teams are down to the final 2 riders while Sky still have 4 on the front.

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

Landa has been taking marathons pulls, Nieve has been great, Henao likewise, but Thomas and Poels are not good right now, pretty expected IMO. Hopefully it will stay that way since those 5 would be able to shut almost everything down apart from an all out Quintana attack

Thomas is worse than Henao obviuosly, but he might be able to do pulls as Landa and Nieve are doing, who knows. Landa and Nieve made long pulls, but especially in case of Landa tempo wasn't hard to enough to reduce the groups much. Such performance Thomas could pull off too I think.

Poels not being as great as he's hyped, well...he might be saving powers.

Last years Tour the sky doms rotated in most stages. Porte had a couple of great days, same with Poels towards the end, Thomas was strong for 2 weeks but faded.

I would not be surprised if Poels was a key man in the final week, while Thomas has said he's slowly feeling Stronger, while perhaps Nieve who has done the Giro may fade.

Unless other teams are massively sandbagging Sky should have the advantage regardless, in the mountains so far most other teams are down to the final 2 riders while Sky still have 4 on the front.

I don't think Sky have much to worry about. Tinkoff was a mess, Astana are not as strong and only Movistar look comparably as strong as Sky and never on the final climb. BMC are doing okay but lack the super domestiques of Sky although Richie or TJVG may adopt that role soon depending on their performances.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

Intxausti doesn't seem to be recovering at all.

 

[CTQ]

Intxausti doesn't seem to be recovering at all.

@Geraint Too Fast
He was 198th in stages 1 and stage 2
No Vuelta for him for sure, sad

 

[sir fly]

Any news about physical condition of the riders involved in crash yesterday?

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Any news about physical condition of the riders involved in crash yesterday?

I mentioned in the stage thread that after his TT Stannard was taken to hospital for an X-ray, maybe just precautionary if he doesn't feel great on the bike.

 

[sir fly]

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Any news about physical condition of the riders involved in crash yesterday?

I mentioned in the stage thread that after his TT Stannard was taken to hospital for an X-ray, maybe just precautionary if he doesn't feel great on the bike.

Didn't see it in the stage thread. Thank you.
Could've been much worse.

 

[Poursuivant]

Poels was good yesterday.

 

[Jolene]

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Intxausti doesn't seem to be recovering at all.

So sad, hope he can rest up and come back stronger. Wonder, did he come back too soon?

 

[TMP402]

BEÑAT INTXAUSTI ‏@benatintxausti 10h10 hours ago

Triste por tener que abandonar Tour de Polonia.Cuando la salud no ayuda no hay nada que hacer.Vuelta a casa. A recuperar.Good luck Boys

 

[Taxus4a]

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BEÑAT INTXAUSTI ‏@benatintxausti 10h10 hours ago

Triste por tener que abandonar Tour de Polonia.Cuando la salud no ayuda no hay nada que hacer.Vuelta a casa. A recuperar.Good luck Boys

Sad to have to left Tour of Poland. When heath doesnt help there is nothing to do. Comeback home. To recover.

 

[May0maniac]

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Poels was good yesterday.

Poels usually has 2 or 3 days in a gt when he's a monster on steep climbs, no surprise.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

In some morning transfer news, Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf have reported Team Sky are looking into signing Steven Kruijswijk from LottoNL-Jumbo after his breakout Giro performance in May."

Wouldn't make much sense. Sky already have Landa and Thomas capable of leading in GTs. Also with Adam Yates potentially joining in the future as a leader and Seb Heano, Wout Poels, Sergio Henao all capable of developing into GC riders why would you block their development?

The only reason i could see was if they expected Thomas to leave? or to not be able to sign the Yates in the coming years?

If Sky hires the best GT talent, who's left to lead other teams. Talk about neutralizing the competition....

He's almost 30 and his best result was a single top-5. How is that neutralizing the competition if he isnt competitive?

 

[Poursuivant]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

In some morning transfer news, Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf have reported Team Sky are looking into signing Steven Kruijswijk from LottoNL-Jumbo after his breakout Giro performance in May."

Wouldn't make much sense. Sky already have Landa and Thomas capable of leading in GTs. Also with Adam Yates potentially joining in the future as a leader and Seb Heano, Wout Poels, Sergio Henao all capable of developing into GC riders why would you block their development?

The only reason i could see was if they expected Thomas to leave? or to not be able to sign the Yates in the coming years?

If Sky hires the best GT talent, who's left to lead other teams. Talk about neutralizing the competition....

He's almost 30 and his best result was a single top-5. How is that neutralizing the competition if he isnt competitive?

Who, Kruijswijk?

He signed a new deal anyway, it was probably just his agent using Sky in the media like every other agent last year and like every agent in football.

 

[alspacka]

Does anyone have any details of Sky's rider wage bill in comparison to the other WT teams?

 

[HelloDolly]

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Does anyone have any details of Sky's rider wage bill in comparison to the other WT teams?

Only Nico Roche saying when he left Tinkoff for SKY he got a 30k pay raise ...hardly earth shattering

SKY have the attraction of promising much ...ie turning you into a GT winner , the great equipment and care, the promise of teaching you some fantastic marginal gains ,etcc

I don't think for instance Richie Porte took a pay drop at BMC

SKY are very Tour centric so other teams scatter their talent around SKY just seem to only want the Tour

 

[alspacka]

Re: Re:

Does anyone have any details of Sky's rider wage bill in comparison to the other WT teams?

Only Nico Roche saying when he left Tinkoff for SKY he got a 30k pay raise ...hardly earth shattering

SKY have the attraction of promising much ...ie turning you into a GT winner , the great equipment and care, the promise of teaching you some fantastic marginal gains ,etcc

I don't think for instance Richie Porte took a pay drop at BMC

SKY are very Tour centric so other teams scatter their talent around SKY just seem to only want the Tour

That's pretty much in line with what I thought, thanks.

I've seen a few people suggesting that Sky's money is the cause of this moribund Tour. But 2-3 years ago I remember reading that certainly BMC, and I think Astana had considerably higher operating budgets. I was just wondering if that's changed recently.