Team Ineos Discussion thread

[elguapo]

Ineos should find a DS-Coach in the mold of Portal or Tosatto if they really need to get better results during the coming season.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Ineos should find a DS-Coach in the mold of Portal or Tosatto if they really need to get better results during the coming season.

True, they have never really been the same since the sad death of Portal.

 

[Tim Cahill]

I've been enjoying the raft of United fans who were giving it the biggun about how it was a new dawn slowly coming to the realisation that cycling fans had years ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866534430065692997

 

[awavey]

I've been enjoying the raft of United fans who were giving it the biggun about how it was a new dawn slowly coming to the realisation that cycling fans had years ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866534430065692997

Maybe if they'd spent the bonus money on the actual football team instead they wouldn't be in the situation they are now.

 

[Strawberry_Jams]

Maybe if they'd spent the bonus money on the actual football team instead they wouldn't be in the situation they are now.

yeah, down with the little people getting a small bonus at christmas.

 

[Wyndbrook]

I've been enjoying the raft of United fans who were giving it the biggun about how it was a new dawn slowly coming to the realisation that cycling fans had years ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866534430065692997

Lucky they get a bonus, many don't,
Mine is £10, courtesy of my government.

 

[awavey]

yeah, down with the little people getting a small bonus at christmas.

Bah humbug

 

[Mayomaniac]

Maybe if they'd spent the bonus money on the actual football team instead they wouldn't be in the situation they are now.

I you look at how Man. U have thrown money at the wall, overpaying players that they didn't need for the last 10+ years the little bonus money is the least of their problems, most negative net transfer spending in all of Europe 2015-2024 (-1.3 billion, that's as much as Man City and Barca combined).
Source: https://football-observatory.com/MonthlyReport97

Still waiting for the fans to start chanting "Brailford, you're the one!"...

 

[awavey]

I you look at how Man. U have thrown money at the wall, overpaying players that they didn't need for the last 10+ years the little bonus money is the least of their problems, most negative net transfer spending in all of Europe 2015-2024 (-1.3 billion, that's as much as Man City and Barca combined).
Source: https://football-observatory.com/MonthlyReport97

Still waiting for the fans to start chanting "Brailford, you're the one!"...

It's a 100k per year based on their 1000 employees. And is a symptom of the malaise not the cause, as was paying Fergie however many millions he was getting to be a club ambassador.

Basically they happily splashed alot of cash out, whilst ignoring the value doing so returned to the club by doing it. 100k per year for 20 years spent on improvements to Old Trafford might have meant the choice now isn't about having to rebuild the whole thing.

Ultimately the club only thrives financially and survives with success on the pitch, to get that you have to spend wisely. They were not spending wisely and are forced into having to "right size" things now as a result.

 

[Rob5091]

Sir Jim gets the critical eye from Velo and it aint pretty -
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...os-sport-brailsford-and-ratcliffe-under-fire/

He lists his core management values as “grit, rigor, humor, and good manners,” and has been said to pride himself on what has been described as a “very stable management team.”

Stability however, is the last word that most would use to describe his recent adventures in professional cycling, or in world football.

Is the harsh truth that a once-dominant cycling superpower has slowly become an almost forgotten backwater, making up the numbers in World Tour racing, picking up the odd stage win or one-day race here and there, but otherwise unable to attract the top talent, both on and off the bike?

If that’s the case then, for how much longer will Ratcliffe continue to bankroll a team in transition, given that Thomas also said, only last spring, that “Jim really wants to win the Tour.” In the era of Tadej Pogačar, that is an ambition that has never looked further out of reach.

 

[awavey]

Sir Jim gets the critical eye from Velo and it aint pretty -
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...os-sport-brailsford-and-ratcliffe-under-fire/

Interesting piece, but the whole reason Ratcliffe ended up with Man Utd, though it's not full control is it ? Is because Man Utd have for years been on the slippery slope down to mid table mediocrity and fallen behind their big spending neighbours.

Most of Man Utds problems didn't start when Sir Jim rocked up, that's not to say he isn't creating new ones by adopting his disruptive technique, which is btw very much a favoured business analysts way of doing things so he isn't being that radical, but the problems were endemic before he turned up and he's the one left trying to fix it, 5 years from now if they win the league, champions league or what not, he might be hailed as a genius, if they don't he won't.

With Ineos the cycling team it feels like they don't have that clear purpose they did when they were Sky, and they've been left to drift for multiple years now, arguably because Ratcliffe hasn't been that disruptive, he let them just get on with it as they were and there wasnt the passion from him to go find the next Portal or Brailsford to lead the team, I feel he's very indifferent to their success or failures & happy to let it be run by committee but it tends to mean they don't attract the talent they need across the team to reset them.

 

[Rob5091]

To sum up Velo's article on Ineos, it seems that Sir Jim has made the classic mistake twice of buying at the top just as things start to go downhill and then not puting in the necessary work to get back to the top. It's not though like the man does n't have the money. Maybe Sir Jim needs a Patrik Lefereve type figure to shake things up.

 

[xo 1]

To sum up Velo's article on Ineos, it seems that Sir Jim has made the classic mistake twice of buying at the top just as things start to go downhill and then not puting in the necessary work to get back to the top. It's not though like the man does n't have the money. Maybe Sir Jim needs a Patrik Lefereve type figure to shake things up.

Lefereve would be a kick in the pants. Given the talent of the squad, following a Wolfpack approach would be a welcome change from the mid-table GC focus.

 

[Unchained]

To sum up Velo's article on Ineos, it seems that Sir Jim has made the classic mistake twice of buying at the top just as things start to go downhill and then not puting in the necessary work to get back to the top. It's not though like the man does n't have the money. Maybe Sir Jim needs a Patrik Lefereve type figure to shake things up.

I know it's probably bad form but Egan Bernal has contract through 2026, and again not to insult anyone, but he is being overpaid. Tom Pidcock paid little under @$3 million euros reported was much better for sponsor profile.
Ineos Grenadier had tent and cars on display at many races, don't know if they are sold in Colombia? Not really sure who is the leader?
Again not to insult but how many more years can
Geraint Thomas be expected to deliver at highest level? Just think as an investment the team has no stars, no direction.. Again not to insult anyone but Carlos Rodriguez is young, still developing, solid rider but not dominating..
What or who is the goal? Going to cyclocross or mountain bike races w expensive SUVs to display is still possible.. But we still don't know if Q36.5 will come up with a vehicle association...? Ineos should fold..

 

[Mayomaniac]

To sum up Velo's article on Ineos, it seems that Sir Jim has made the classic mistake twice of buying at the top just as things start to go downhill and then not puting in the necessary work to get back to the top. It's not though like the man does n't have the money. Maybe Sir Jim needs a Patrik Lefereve type figure to shake things up.

It's not like he bought United at the top, let's be real...

 

[Salvarani]

It's not like he bought United at the top, let's be real...

How much did he pay for his stake?

Perhaps not sporting-wise, but what is the valuation of the club and how will that valuation continue to fare. That will determine if he bought at the "top". You never really know until some time has passed.

 

[awavey]

How much did he pay for his stake?

Perhaps not sporting-wise, but what is the valuation of the club and how will that valuation continue to fare. That will determine if he bought at the "top". You never really know until some time has passed.

1.3billion for a minority stake. I mean the point with them is their potential is huge, if they get the on field stuff sorted so they win games and are successful in major competitions, the NY Times quoted a report that says they are the most valuable football club in the whole world, worth $6 billion.

 

[Rob5091]

Sure Sir Jim might not have got his share of Man Utd at the top (heck, I remember them going down to the old division 2 years ago) but over paying for a team that's past it's best seems a common theme.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Sure Sir Jim might not have got his share of Man Utd at the top (heck, I remember them going down to the old division 2 years ago) but over paying for a team that's past it's best seems a common theme.

One can only dream, there's still 5 months left in the season, and stranger things have happened.

 

[Rob5091]

One can only dream, there's still 5 months left in the season, and stranger things have happened.

Denis Law's famous goal,making him the hero turned villian. Never has a man celebrated a goal less!

 

[Tim Cahill]

UAE just assembled a full train of their best riders to barely beat the KOM time of Danish toddler led out by some part time liberal arts students from the local university. Honestly more impressed with this Øxenberg character more than anything, can't wait to see him in action!

 

[RedheadDane]

UAE just assembled a full train of their best riders to barely beat the KOM time of Danish toddler led out by some part time liberal arts students from the local university. Honestly more impressed with this Øxenberg character more than anything, can't wait to see him in action!

I don't think the other ColoQuick riders are liberal arts students.
And I don't think they have a university in Skive...

 

[pastronef]

UAE just assembled a full train of their best riders to barely beat the KOM time of Danish toddler led out by some part time liberal arts students from the local university. Honestly more impressed with this Øxenberg character more than anything, can't wait to see him in action!

fact is if Pog rides it again full throttle in summer he'll be minutes ahead

 

[Rob5091]

Cummings trys not to talk about Pidders and Ineos management (have these 2 ex-Ineos guys signed NDA's or something?)
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racing/steve-cummings-never-had-a-problem-with-tom-pidcock

His last race for the British team was June’s Critérium du Dauphiné as the Director of Racing unexpectedly did not appear at the Tour de France. Sources close to the situation told Cycling Weekly at that time that his absence was in part due to his apparent fractured relationship with team leader Tom Pidcock. Pidcock said at the race’s team presentation that he felt Ineos would be "better" without Cummings there.


“The team decided to take me off the race. Like when you’re not selected as a rider, it’s just a decision you respect,” he said. “I guess they thought it was in the best interest of the team. And then you start to look elsewhere.” ... Cummings said that the team “didn’t really give him a reason” for his omission. Was that frustrating? “I think there are obviously moments when it’s frustrating, but you just try to be resilient, accept it and move on,” he said.