Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Benotti69]

Whilst I'm not one, can I just say that it is incredibly gracious of you to accept the right of Sky fans to exist as equals on the roadside as the peloton passes?

Well done on misinterpreting my post.

My uninformed guess is that every Sky fan knows that the sport of cycling existed before Rupert fired his first satellite into orbit, let alone the formation of the cycling team.

It sure doesn't read like that.

You really do spout some rubbish at times. (This is my personal view, not necessarily that of the other mods.)

Seems some need an irony and sarcasm smiley while reading posts.

Though of course, just because you frequently spout rubbish doesn't mean you always do, and there is doubtless no small amount of truth in your main grouse about Sky and doping.

If Sky are just doping a small amount, it is too much.

Lets have some cheese........

 

[deeno1975]

I see Paul Kimmage has rowed into this argument...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
Sorry @BrianCooksonUCI It's up to you to set the standard. Your son works for @TeamSky? Not good enough.

 

[gooner]

A load of old tosh.

Why can't you address the point earlier instead?

Not directed at yourself but what do people want on this by flagging it up? Do they want him out of the cycling?

I find it unacceptable for people if they want this to happen when the person in question has never been embroiled in doping in the past.

I see Paul Kimmage has rowed into this argument...

Only now he finds out about Cookson's son at Sky and people think he's on top of things with Sky.

I think it's out of order for a journalist to call for someone to booted out of the sport when no wrongdoing has been uncovered by that person who they are referring to. Kimmage should keep his anger for the actual bad apples that are still polluting the sport. Not twitter either, write columns on this, something that he hasn't done since going to back to work at the latter part of last year for the Irish Independent.

I'd say something if Brian himself was in two positions that were of conflict of interests. That's not the case and his son is free to have a role in the sport and it's unacceptable for people calling for him to be removed just because his father has moved into another role.

 

[sniper]

I think it's out of order for a journalist to call for someone to booted out of the sport

gooner and his army of strawmen.

when no wrongdoing has been uncovered by that person who they are referring to. Kimmage should keep his anger for the actual bad apples that are still polluting the sport. Not twitter either, write columns on this, something that he hasn't done since going to back to work at the latter part of last year for the Irish Independent.

I'd say something if Brian himself was in two positions that were of conflict of interests. That's not the case and his son is free to have a role in the sport and it's unacceptable for people calling for him to be removed just because his father has moved into another role.

not surprising coming from you.

Of course Oli is "free" to work for Sky. nobody's saying he isn't.
conflicts of interest are inappropriate, hardly ever illegal.
Here's wiki's definition of conflict of interest:
"A conflict of interest is a set of circumstances that creates a risk that professional judgement or actions regarding a primary interest will be unduly influenced by a secondary interest."
Now go on and tell me this doesn't apply to cookson and son.

 

[bobbins]

You miss the point. It's simply another symptom of an increasingly incestuous relationship.

The fact that Sky give Fran Millars company over £70k a year to help their cycling department run a london to brighton / london to paris and trip to the Pinarello gran fondo based on Dave Bs recommendation is probably more dodgy than Oli Cookson being employed by them.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Cookson having sat on the board of 'Tour Racing Limited' which owns the Sky protour license is enough to generate a COI.
He did step down from this role around the time of his candidature.

His son is immaterial as to if a COI exists or not.

 

[gooner]

gooner and his army of strawmen.


not surprising coming from you.

Of course Oli is "free" to work for Sky. nobody's saying he isn't.
conflicts of interest are inappropriate, hardly ever illegal.
Here's wiki's definition of conflict of interest:
"A conflict of interest is a set of circumstances that creates a risk that professional judgement or actions regarding a primary interest will be unduly influenced by a secondary interest."
Now go on and tell me this doesn't apply to cookson and son.

Read again. You obviously missed the point made and did it intentionally.

I'd say something if Brian himself was in two positions that were of conflict of interests.

In this instance, we can rightly ask for Cookson Snr to be removed from one. Cookson Jnr was with Sky long before he announced he was running for UCI president. I don't think it's fair for people to call for Oli Cookson to lose his job in the sport when no crime has been of his doing. That is the clear objective of Kimmage here and you only have to see his twitter feed to know what he's implying. His only crime seems to be he's the son of the guy who came president after him taking on a role at Sky. That's not on and he shouldn't have to suffer for doing something he probably enjoys the past few years because his father has taken a new position within the last year.

What I said earlier applies to you.

what do people want on this by flagging it up? Do they want him out of the cycling?

 

[roundabout]

Is Sky really that short on people who can translate from Spanish that they need to send Cookson jr to Colombia?

I don't mind him fluffing pillows or whatever the **** he is doing at Sky, I do however mind him being closer than he really should be when there is a potential doping violation in the air.

 

[CycloAndy]

You miss the point. It's simply another symptom of an increasingly incestuous relationship.

Oli looks like a spitting image of Wiggins. Maybe Wiggins is Brian's love child

Definitely a conflict of interest. Can't sack Oli but definitely another reason to be suspicious of Sky, especially given their recent drop-outs due to "illness".

 

[Nathan12]

Is Sky really that short on people who can translate from Spanish that they need to send Cookson jr to Colombia?

I don't mind him fluffing pillows or whatever the **** he is doing at Sky, I do however mind him being closer than he really should be when there is a potential doping violation in the air.

This. People seem to (perhaps deliberately) be missing the point that it's not Oli being emplyed by Sky that's the problem. It's him being in Colombia with a rider currently subject to an investigation (okay maybe it's internal who knows) by an organisation that his father heads up!

I have absolutely no idea if Cookson Jr is doing anything untoward. I think most probably not. But it doesn't look good.

 

[stutue]

Keep up with the pulling riders for fear of testing argument i never made.

It is ok to be a Sky fan, really, not need to come here to try and justify it. Enjoy your rapha gear, ride like Wiggins, Froome (or not if dont want your elbows taken off by a passing vehicle) and be happy.


Some Sky fans really think Sky invented the sport and that every sky do or experience is the 1st time it has happened. Illness to multiple riders with a small team of doctors is never down to natural causes. If it was the doctors are off the Simpsons, "Hi everybody.." .

I think the fact that you post stuff like this, and think it will have any impact just demonstrates that you are a very special person

 

[sniper]

In this instance, we can rightly ask for Cookson Snr to be removed from one. Cookson Jnr was with Sky long before he announced he was running for UCI president.

fair, and i fully agree.

I don't think it's fair for people to call for Oli Cookson to lose his job in the sport when no crime has been of his doing. That is the clear objective of Kimmage here and you only have to see his twitter feed to know what he's implying. His only crime seems to be he's the son of the guy who came president after him taking on a role at Sky. That's not on and he shouldn't have to suffer for doing something he probably enjoys the past few years because his father has taken a new position within the last year.

i'm not sure if that's what kimmage is calling for.
He's merely calling on cookson to ressolve the COI.
he doesn't say how.
either cookson sr. goes or cookson jr goes. up to them.

 

[sniper]

This. People seem to (perhaps deliberately) be missing the point that it's not Oli being emplyed by Sky that's the problem. It's him being in Colombia with a rider currently subject to an investigation (okay maybe it's internal who knows) by an organisation that his father heads up!

i think that is a (perhaps THE) problem, regarldless of the colombia issue.
long before he went to colombia it was clear (and several posters here have said it) that this was a COI.
Imo the colombia issue merely illustrates why it's a COI in the first place.

 

[Benotti69]

Only now he finds out about Cookson's son at Sky and people think he's on top of things with Sky.

Why does it surprise people when Kimmage doesn't know everything? He is human! He is not a cycling journalist. He is sports journalist specialising in interviews.

I think it's out of order for a journalist to call for someone to booted out of the sport when no wrongdoing has been uncovered by that person who they are referring to.

Did Kimmage use the term 'booted out' or are you putting words in his mouth?

Kimmage should keep his anger for the actual bad apples that are still polluting the sport. Not twitter either, write columns on this, something that he hasn't done since going to back to work at the latter part of last year for the Irish Independent.

You should do his PR. You obviously know best.

I'd say something if Brian himself was in two positions that were of conflict of interests. That's not the case and his son is free to have a role in the sport and it's unacceptable for people calling for him to be removed just because his father has moved into another role.

It is a total conflict of interest. The president and 'head of police of the sport' (remember anti doping is not independent) son should not be working on any team that has a UCI licence.

 

[Benotti69]

You are referring to bunches of riders falling sick at the same time, during races.
Not what is happening here.

So if it slight deviates from previous team doping illness we can all go hallelujah they are cleans. Thanks MV Sky is cleans yippeeeee nothing to see here with loads of riders getting ill on one team, no sireee nothing to see here!!!!

 

[SundayRider]

Kimmage said it 'shouldn't be mananged, it should be removed'.

 

[the sceptic]

I think the fact that you post stuff like this, and think it will have any impact just demonstrates that you are a very special person

Not as special as the endless stream of skybots that show up on this forum, with the single purpose to troll and make the thread miserable for everyone else.

 

[Benotti69]

Kimmage said it 'shouldn't be mananged, it should be removed'.

Is that 'booted out' or removed? Totally different terminology.

I agree with Kimmage. Cookson jnr working for a UCI licenced team when Pop is the Pres of UCI is a COI.

 

[Benotti69]

I think the fact that you post stuff like this, and think it will have any impact just demonstrates that you are a very special person

I am blushing....a benottifanboy........

 

[pastronef]

It is ok to be a Sky fan, really, not need to come here to try and justify it. Enjoy your rapha gear, ride like Wiggins, Froome (or not if dont want your elbows taken off by a passing vehicle) and be happy.

well, sometimes reading this pages, it feels like one must justify rooting for Sky riders.
since this year I enjoy them winning races (not many) mostly because of the Clinic
everyone has their favourite dirty rider or team...
and I wear Decathlon gear...

...oh shyte! it must be that Kask helmet I bought last winter

 

[red_flanders]

Is that 'booted out' or removed? Totally different terminology.

I agree with Kimmage. Cookson jnr working for a UCI licenced team when Pop is the Pres of UCI is a COI.

I think rather that it simply and clearly illustrates the conflict of interest that exists with Cookson in charge of the UCI. He's intimately tied to Sky and BC.

That said, pretty hard to find people to lead cycling who haven't been intimately tied to some team or country in cycling.

The problem is that the promotional and regulatory bodies in cycling are the same. The fact that they aren't leads us to situations like this.

If testing was independent, it wouldn't matter if Cookson was the DS of Sky.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I don't think even Cookson Sr is denying it is a potential COI.

But declared upfront, and effectively managing it is the right approach, rather than one or other being pushed out, which doesn't actually address the underlying issue anyway.


Cookson ties to Sky are far more in depth than just Oli, and something that cannot be eliminated in any meaningful way.

 

[Benotti69]

I think rather that it simply and clearly illustrates the conflict of interest that exists with Cookson in charge of the UCI. He's intimately tied to Sky and BC.

That said, pretty hard to find people to lead cycling who haven't been intimately tied to some team or country in cycling.

The problem is that the promotional and regulatory bodies in cycling are the same. The fact that they aren't leads us to situations like this.

If testing was independent, it wouldn't matter if Cookson was the DS of Sky.

If testing was independent, Oli could work for a decent team

 

[Benotti69]

well, sometimes reading this pages, it feels like one must justify rooting for Sky riders.
since this year I enjoy them winning races (not many) mostly because of the Clinic
everyone has their favourite dirty rider or team...
and I wear Decathlon gear...

...oh shyte! it must be that Kask helmet I bought last winter

Decathlon gear, i feel for you

buon divertimenti

 

[pastronef]

Decathlon gear, i feel for you

buon divertimenti

they improved their stuff a lot these last 2 years.

anyway, grazie

sorry for the O.T.