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It seems that Sky is also using this motor home as a psychological tool too, obviously Brailsford continues to push and push the envelope of the rules. I would think that other team riders will see this parked very close to the hotel every night, shining and purring away in air conditioned glory, Sky team riders and staff laughing and smiling as they enter this cool and comfortable sanctuary, which is basically as it is being described as... None of this having to mix with other team's riders, no dealing with cramped and sweaty hotel rooms, meals are delivered to you... The infinitely deep pockets of Sky bring a element of exclusivity and privilege with this bus which is totally unfair.... It should have never been allowed in the Tour, period....
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It seems that Sky is also using this motor home as a psychological tool too, obviously Brailsford continues to push and push the envelope of the rules. I would think that other team riders will see this parked very close to the hotel every night, shining and purring away in air conditioned glory, Sky team riders and staff laughing and smiling as they enter this cool and comfortable sanctuary, which is basically as it is being described as... None of this having to mix with other team's riders, no dealing with cramped and sweaty hotel rooms, meals are delivered to you... The infinitely deep pockets of Sky bring a element of exclusivity and privilege with this bus which is totally unfair.... It should have never been allowed in the Tour, period....
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Seriously though, in what way is a private room beneficial to a rider? I mean, more privacy, sure, but surely it won't influence their shape and performance unless their roomie snores like a bear
curious to see how Walsh and Brailsfraud will spin this one.
Breakfast and dinner by the motorhomes, reminds me of a family vacation in Canada, great stuff!the sceptic said:
Seriously though, in what way is a private room beneficial to a rider? I mean, more privacy, sure, but surely it won't influence their shape and performance unless their roomie snores like a bear
curious to see how Walsh and Brailsfraud will spin this one.
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in what way is a private room beneficial to a rider?
if a man pops a needle in his arm
and there is no one else around to see it
cleans
if a man pops a needle in his arm
and there is no one else around to see it
cleans
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For years i have heard the riders and DS complain every year about the conditions of the hotel, awfull beds, breakfast etc. etc. This actually is benificial on multiple items:
People like familiar situations, so every night having the same ''location'' helps (just look at the tweets of Cavendish and Gesink claiming they get lost at night when to go to the toilet since they have no clue where they are).
People also like to have a good bed and a good temperature in the room. By doing this you can control that.
And finally, by having the same conditions every night i think you can reduce the odds of illness (compared to one night in a awfully cold airconditioned room and the next day in a hot room).
Look this is not a gamechanger and a domestique is not going to win the TDF because he would have a camper, but in the grand scheme of things where every team wants to prepare to the max on all kinds of motivational aspects as well as other conditions (not talking doping) to me this actually makes a lot of sense. I see this in the same category as Bjarne Riis trying to create a team atmosphere by going on a survival trip with the full team for a few days. And although i fully believe that Sky has a doping programme i actually think this is a ''real'' marginal gain.
Well to be honest i actually think this is a pretty smart move and actually can be a ''marginal gain''.LaFlorecita said:Breakfast and dinner by the motorhomes, reminds me of a family vacation in Canada, great stuff!the sceptic said:
Seriously though, in what way is a private room beneficial to a rider? I mean, more privacy, sure, but surely it won't influence their shape and performance unless their roomie snores like a bear
For years i have heard the riders and DS complain every year about the conditions of the hotel, awfull beds, breakfast etc. etc. This actually is benificial on multiple items:
People like familiar situations, so every night having the same ''location'' helps (just look at the tweets of Cavendish and Gesink claiming they get lost at night when to go to the toilet since they have no clue where they are).
People also like to have a good bed and a good temperature in the room. By doing this you can control that.
And finally, by having the same conditions every night i think you can reduce the odds of illness (compared to one night in a awfully cold airconditioned room and the next day in a hot room).
Look this is not a gamechanger and a domestique is not going to win the TDF because he would have a camper, but in the grand scheme of things where every team wants to prepare to the max on all kinds of motivational aspects as well as other conditions (not talking doping) to me this actually makes a lot of sense. I see this in the same category as Bjarne Riis trying to create a team atmosphere by going on a survival trip with the full team for a few days. And although i fully believe that Sky has a doping programme i actually think this is a ''real'' marginal gain.
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and if such needle popping occurs, it is best to completely control the environment where it occurs. in this sense, owning the said facility is a marginal gain.
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I wasn't talking about the RV. That obviously has an influence, although I doubt it is meaningful and will affect the outcome of a race. What I meant was Sky's claim that they let the staff sleep in the RVs so the riders all have a private room. I don't see in what way that would affect a rider's performance (unless, as I said, the rider's usual roomie snores very loudly)Roninho said:
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but, remember Walsh said he was sure Froome wasn't doping because he shared a room with Porte and there is no way anyone would dope when they share a room. How are we supposed to know they are clean if they have their own rooms?
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Oh wait.
It reduces the chance of falling ill by 0.01%. Which is super important because if you remember the 2012 and 2013 tours which sky won, all the other gc riders were constantly falling ill and this gave sky a massive advantage.LaFlorecita said:Breakfast and dinner by the motorhomes, reminds me of a family vacation in Canada, great stuff!the sceptic said:
Seriously though, in what way is a private room beneficial to a rider? I mean, more privacy, sure, but surely it won't influence their shape and performance unless their roomie snores like a bear
Oh wait.
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If froome knew what it felt like to have a pet rabbit killed, his proud boasting later in the book about having stolen rabbits from younger children to feed to his snake, comes across as particularly cruel and sociopathic. Its supposedly still some sort of trauma for him to have lost his own rabbit this way. But despite knowing the pain of the feeling he thinks nothing about inflicting it on others for his own fun.the sceptic said:speaking of Walsh, what the hell is this nonsense?
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It actually makes a lot of sense, now that I've thought about it. Froome suffered the emotional trauma of having Whiskers the Bunny murdered in front of his own eyes back when he was just a kid, and this trauma has given him the ability to magically sense danger in the peloton as a cycling pro. In a twisted turn of events, however, Froome himself became the leader of the Deadly Kenyan Bunny Assassination Squad in his teens, just like he's now the guy all the other riders fear will cause a crash, due to his lack of bike handling skills.
All the pieces of the puzzle are fitting together. Walsh is a genius. Froome is cleans.
All the pieces of the puzzle are fitting together. Walsh is a genius. Froome is cleans.
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I can tell what this drivel are: worst overlap ever when Walsh trying to make a novel out of glimpses between parts of Froomes life. In this particular quote he's doing a pathetic attempt to compare Froomes competitors with the snake that swallows Froome/his bunny. And that he"ll get his revenge later when he is the one feeding the snake with his competitors/bunnies.
Any questions that we are dealing with really twisted minds here?
I can tell what this drivel are: worst overlap ever when Walsh trying to make a novel out of glimpses between parts of Froomes life. In this particular quote he's doing a pathetic attempt to compare Froomes competitors with the snake that swallows Froome/his bunny. And that he"ll get his revenge later when he is the one feeding the snake with his competitors/bunnies.
Any questions that we are dealing with really twisted minds here?
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So, he believes Antoine when he says Vuillermoz is clean, shouldnt he believe Antoine when Antoine says Froome is a doper?
Well:the sceptic said:
So, he believes Antoine when he says Vuillermoz is clean, shouldnt he believe Antoine when Antoine says Froome is a doper?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/11734982/Tour-de-France-2015-Geraint-Thomas-tipped-to-lead-Team-Sky.html
Is this the classic "sir dave talks up a rider before he puts in an unbelievable performance"?
Is this the classic "sir dave talks up a rider before he puts in an unbelievable performance"?
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