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same thing can be said for Kask. these last few years their sales have stepped up.
Kask current deal ends in Dec 2016 too, still no word about a re-up.
42x16ss said:
same thing can be said for Kask. these last few years their sales have stepped up.
Kask current deal ends in Dec 2016 too, still no word about a re-up.
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The people who actually are "shouting from the rooftops" are sky. None stop. Brad even used the phrase himself " we are shouting from the rooftops that we did it clean". That's all they do of course since they certainly don't back up their shouts and much of it is abusive.
Somehow you never call them out on it. Not once. All your "criticism" is reserved for someone like kimmage who even if he shouts, doesnt lie all the time and backs it up.
Is there some personal history here between you and kimmage? Did he force you to shave your beard over a game of futbolin too?
Different to who?gooner said:
The people who actually are "shouting from the rooftops" are sky. None stop. Brad even used the phrase himself " we are shouting from the rooftops that we did it clean". That's all they do of course since they certainly don't back up their shouts and much of it is abusive.
Somehow you never call them out on it. Not once. All your "criticism" is reserved for someone like kimmage who even if he shouts, doesnt lie all the time and backs it up.
Is there some personal history here between you and kimmage? Did he force you to shave your beard over a game of futbolin too?
I wasn't referring to Kimmage, sunshine.
Not the first time you try and make a thread personal with me.
And I have seen it said with people in the sport that VO2 Max isn't used as a huge outline anymore. Matt Slater has found that out himself by actually posing questions around British cycling.
Yet all we see on here and twitter is the grandstanding requesting this, instead of actually listening to people who have reported on it.
His data prior to 2011 should be the main topic and which includes his time at the UCI centre. Going on about a current V02 Max as of now and deflecting away from that is specifically what Froome and Sky want.
Not the first time you try and make a thread personal with me.
And I have seen it said with people in the sport that VO2 Max isn't used as a huge outline anymore. Matt Slater has found that out himself by actually posing questions around British cycling.
Yet all we see on here and twitter is the grandstanding requesting this, instead of actually listening to people who have reported on it.
His data prior to 2011 should be the main topic and which includes his time at the UCI centre. Going on about a current V02 Max as of now and deflecting away from that is specifically what Froome and Sky want.
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Could someone help me here and quantify what a fortune is in this case? Is a fortune here a couple of hundred thousand pounds or is it millions of pounds? Just how much money do people think the Sky deal made for Rapha and what impact do you think it's had on their bottom line?
various said:
Could someone help me here and quantify what a fortune is in this case? Is a fortune here a couple of hundred thousand pounds or is it millions of pounds? Just how much money do people think the Sky deal made for Rapha and what impact do you think it's had on their bottom line?
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How do you know what Slater does behind the scenes?
Who is grandstanding and shouting from rooftops?
gooner said:
How do you know what Slater does behind the scenes?
Who is grandstanding and shouting from rooftops?
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Its not, but its a parameter in the physiological model from which implications about other matters can be drawn....it would appear that this simple, very simple, number means that Froome's numbers don't add up (current) and were way out in the pre-transformation days...its a very simple number to test for and release...they could even accompany it with a 'sports physiology for dummies' paper for all the psuedo-scientists out there who would get confused...
gooner said:
Its not, but its a parameter in the physiological model from which implications about other matters can be drawn....it would appear that this simple, very simple, number means that Froome's numbers don't add up (current) and were way out in the pre-transformation days...its a very simple number to test for and release...they could even accompany it with a 'sports physiology for dummies' paper for all the psuedo-scientists out there who would get confused...
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you throw blanket insults at the whole clinic, generalizing that everyone just "grandstands" which you know to be false, then complain that it's personal when people call you out on it?
Re vo2 max, no one here cared about it either, until sky made it relevant by claiming froome has an off the charts vo2 max, grapple claiming he needs it to be clean and brailsfraud promising they will do one.
So what you missed is that vo2 mac is about keeping sky to their word. Or is that not important? Should teams be allowed to lie? You evidently believe so because you mock people for trying to hold liars to account.
What should be done instead? Softball questions asked by friendly reporters while they take selfies with g and pose with the tdf trophy? Which don't get answered either, but hey, at least we can claim they were asked, by this magic god species called "reporters" who are so superior to all other human beings, everything they do is holy.
If thats the way to go where is sky's answer? 4 years and counting?
Btw, even if you weren't refering to kimmage, but instead the clinic. The point still stands. Sky do what you just attacked the clinic for doing, All The Time. But you are yet to criticize them. For this or for anything. All you do is attack the clinic with generalizations and sleights of hand.
Though still claim to be neutral.
gooner said:
you throw blanket insults at the whole clinic, generalizing that everyone just "grandstands" which you know to be false, then complain that it's personal when people call you out on it?
Re vo2 max, no one here cared about it either, until sky made it relevant by claiming froome has an off the charts vo2 max, grapple claiming he needs it to be clean and brailsfraud promising they will do one.
So what you missed is that vo2 mac is about keeping sky to their word. Or is that not important? Should teams be allowed to lie? You evidently believe so because you mock people for trying to hold liars to account.
What should be done instead? Softball questions asked by friendly reporters while they take selfies with g and pose with the tdf trophy? Which don't get answered either, but hey, at least we can claim they were asked, by this magic god species called "reporters" who are so superior to all other human beings, everything they do is holy.
If thats the way to go where is sky's answer? 4 years and counting?
Btw, even if you weren't refering to kimmage, but instead the clinic. The point still stands. Sky do what you just attacked the clinic for doing, All The Time. But you are yet to criticize them. For this or for anything. All you do is attack the clinic with generalizations and sleights of hand.
Though still claim to be neutral.
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This whole calling for a VO2 max to be released is nothing more than grandstanding considering the people wanting it have entrenched views that their opinion is made up irrespective of what is disclosed from it. I wasn't referring to Kimmage on this issue as he said straight to Froome's face that he should release all his data including prior to 2011. I'm with him on that and I think as a journalist he would be coming at it with an open mind. So yes you did make it personal when you made the baseless reference about him and then portrayed me as having some direct personal axe to grind with him, which couldn't be further from the truth.
The Graape analysis is PR guff. That's criticism right there to Sky and Froome. Criticise them there all you like. I will be nodding my head in agreement.
I don't really care what Brailsford said about a VO2 Max, what will that achieve. Just because he said it doesn't mean anything. Whether he said it or not, I'm still only interested in his data being released pre-Vuelta 2011. In fact, talking about a V02 max is exactly what Brailsford wants and not the data before 2011. If you listened to people in the sport and what Matt Slater got told by multiple people about British Cycling, you would know they don't really use VO2 max as a marker nowadays. Maybe if Kimmage reported this, you might have sat up and listened.
Quintana has a sky high VO2 max, does that exonerate him any bit? Even taking this into account, it's clear as day people on here don't believe him. For that reason, the VO2 talk on here is nothing more than listening to a load of thunder where people calling for it are solely doing it for the sake of it.
The Hitch said:
This whole calling for a VO2 max to be released is nothing more than grandstanding considering the people wanting it have entrenched views that their opinion is made up irrespective of what is disclosed from it. I wasn't referring to Kimmage on this issue as he said straight to Froome's face that he should release all his data including prior to 2011. I'm with him on that and I think as a journalist he would be coming at it with an open mind. So yes you did make it personal when you made the baseless reference about him and then portrayed me as having some direct personal axe to grind with him, which couldn't be further from the truth.
The Graape analysis is PR guff. That's criticism right there to Sky and Froome. Criticise them there all you like. I will be nodding my head in agreement.
I don't really care what Brailsford said about a VO2 Max, what will that achieve. Just because he said it doesn't mean anything. Whether he said it or not, I'm still only interested in his data being released pre-Vuelta 2011. In fact, talking about a V02 max is exactly what Brailsford wants and not the data before 2011. If you listened to people in the sport and what Matt Slater got told by multiple people about British Cycling, you would know they don't really use VO2 max as a marker nowadays. Maybe if Kimmage reported this, you might have sat up and listened.
Quintana has a sky high VO2 max, does that exonerate him any bit? Even taking this into account, it's clear as day people on here don't believe him. For that reason, the VO2 talk on here is nothing more than listening to a load of thunder where people calling for it are solely doing it for the sake of it.
Froome's Vo2max is not the only issue. Dont go trying to obfuscate.
It is an important number in the overall numbers a rider puts out. Sky/Froome said they were transparent and believed in transparency from day 1, but they have been everything but transparent. That points to doping.
Brailsford has lied about being a team of transparency.
It is an important number in the overall numbers a rider puts out. Sky/Froome said they were transparent and believed in transparency from day 1, but they have been everything but transparent. That points to doping.
Brailsford has lied about being a team of transparency.
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Who?
Dr Hutch?
Edit: Richard Moore is the guy writing the article for Esquire. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Who?
Dr Hutch?
Edit: Richard Moore is the guy writing the article for Esquire. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Brailsford said straight out and I have the clip that they would do a vo2 max test next time he's in a lab - that was july 2013.
He was then asked for pre 2013 data - he said 'if we have it'.
Walsh of course can't take his head out of brailsford's a** long enough to see froome's data - be it blood profiles, vo2, anything.
Walsh has had three years to ask for this stuff and then reveal what the response was when he asked, and he has failed abysmally.
He's a fan with a typewriter just like he accused Gibney.
Brailsford and Sky are in a bind - froomey flew solo at the start - but what could they do...release him after the 2011 vuelta and it's a tacit admittance they know he doped on the team. (I genuinely don't understand how anyone can be so stupid as to think froome's transformation wasn't down to doping - about to be let go and he finds never before seen form like magic) So they had to change their plans fairly lively. Now Sky and DB have gone all in - all or nothing on froome. It's clearly a highly secretive operation - with only the absolutely minimum with knowledge. To all intents and purposes the many staff who tell walsh that froome and sky are clean believe this to be the case. Do I believe froome will be caught? No. This farce will go on until age catches up with him and he fades away. Lance wouldn't have been caught either if he had been less ostentatious about doping and obviously floyd. Walsh is so braindead he thinks all dopers have to be this bashful - but really lance was a blueprint of what not to do as a person.
He was then asked for pre 2013 data - he said 'if we have it'.
Walsh of course can't take his head out of brailsford's a** long enough to see froome's data - be it blood profiles, vo2, anything.
Walsh has had three years to ask for this stuff and then reveal what the response was when he asked, and he has failed abysmally.
He's a fan with a typewriter just like he accused Gibney.
Brailsford and Sky are in a bind - froomey flew solo at the start - but what could they do...release him after the 2011 vuelta and it's a tacit admittance they know he doped on the team. (I genuinely don't understand how anyone can be so stupid as to think froome's transformation wasn't down to doping - about to be let go and he finds never before seen form like magic) So they had to change their plans fairly lively. Now Sky and DB have gone all in - all or nothing on froome. It's clearly a highly secretive operation - with only the absolutely minimum with knowledge. To all intents and purposes the many staff who tell walsh that froome and sky are clean believe this to be the case. Do I believe froome will be caught? No. This farce will go on until age catches up with him and he fades away. Lance wouldn't have been caught either if he had been less ostentatious about doping and obviously floyd. Walsh is so braindead he thinks all dopers have to be this bashful - but really lance was a blueprint of what not to do as a person.
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Yep but dont use it. Just made one so no idiots could use my handle.
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Yep but dont use it. Just made one so no idiots could use my handle.
A short 140 char often says more than 1400:
Any SKY fan able to explain what is not to be explained?
Any SKY fan able to explain what is not to be explained?
thehog
BANNED
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The Grappe analysis was done just prior to the Tour in 2013. Crazy genius Ventoux hadn't occurred at that point. Nor PSM or AX3.
The data analysed was from Sept 2011 to June 2013. He was fairly consistant during that period (he didn't race most of 2012). Froome was *** compared to his old Sky/Barloworld form but he was consistent when racing. 2013 CI was a stand out with Porte.
Not sure there's much in it from that perspective. Considering the source of the tweet was all about tailwinds and "no Bruyneel, no Ferrari at Sky", I'm not sure what they are now trying to infer.
There's a lot more in Froome's weight loss, power, ITT, seated attacks, badzhilla etc. than the Kerrison outlier.
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
The Grappe analysis was done just prior to the Tour in 2013. Crazy genius Ventoux hadn't occurred at that point. Nor PSM or AX3.
The data analysed was from Sept 2011 to June 2013. He was fairly consistant during that period (he didn't race most of 2012). Froome was *** compared to his old Sky/Barloworld form but he was consistent when racing. 2013 CI was a stand out with Porte.
Not sure there's much in it from that perspective. Considering the source of the tweet was all about tailwinds and "no Bruyneel, no Ferrari at Sky", I'm not sure what they are now trying to infer.
There's a lot more in Froome's weight loss, power, ITT, seated attacks, badzhilla etc. than the Kerrison outlier.
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When the SKY PR machine 'instructs' us non - thinking audience Froome's rise to power was due to Tim Kerrison's super scientific approach - and dont forget totally new and innovative - and yet Froome's powerfiles remain steady there is a discrepancy in this story imho. Or shall we say again a - blatant - lie?
Not true, was done during the 2013 Tour, which climbs were involved was not disclosed iirc.thehog said:
Its a case of and and and.thehog said:
When the SKY PR machine 'instructs' us non - thinking audience Froome's rise to power was due to Tim Kerrison's super scientific approach - and dont forget totally new and innovative - and yet Froome's powerfiles remain steady there is a discrepancy in this story imho. Or shall we say again a - blatant - lie?
Michele Ferrari needs to buy this and upgrade from his old, police-bug-infested version:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141823774377
Just think, he could drive all over France with that thing stashed to the gills with "product," and no authorities would ever bother him.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141823774377
Just think, he could drive all over France with that thing stashed to the gills with "product," and no authorities would ever bother him.
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I'm glad they didn't include the pillows.
I didn't see any 'pillows' listed in the 'massive spec'......Beech Mtn said:Michele Ferrari needs to buy this and upgrade from his old, police-bug-infested version:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141823774377
Just think, he could drive all over France with that thing stashed to the gills with "product," and no authorities would ever bother him.
I'm glad they didn't include the pillows.
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the owner, who bought it from SKY, now sells it. maybe he kept the pillows
The bus was previously sold off, as many teams do with pieces of equipment at the end of the year - although it’s unusual to see such large items up for grabs – and the new owner is now selling it off.
irondan said:I didn't see any 'pillows' listed in the 'massive spec'......Beech Mtn said:Michele Ferrari needs to buy this and upgrade from his old, police-bug-infested version:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141823774377
Just think, he could drive all over France with that thing stashed to the gills with "product," and no authorities would ever bother him.
I'm glad they didn't include the pillows.
the owner, who bought it from SKY, now sells it. maybe he kept the pillows
The bus was previously sold off, as many teams do with pieces of equipment at the end of the year - although it’s unusual to see such large items up for grabs – and the new owner is now selling it off.
Beech Mtn said:
I do hope that Oleg doesn't miss out on what could be his most epic trolling adventure of all time.
Re: Sky
Lionel Messi gifted a Dogma by Dave and Fausto..
Aren't we all Lionel, aren't we all.
Lionel Messi gifted a Dogma by Dave and Fausto..
Aren't we all Lionel, aren't we all.
Re: Sky
I'm guessing it was like a game of snap...
King Of Molehill said:
Lionel Messi gifted a Dogma by Dave and Fausto..
Aren't we all Lionel, aren't we all.
I'm guessing it was like a game of snap...
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