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[Benotti69]

Seem Sky have taken another leaf out Armstrong's career moves. Legal threats

Tony Whelan ‏@Tony_Whelan 19h19 hours ago

Seeing Edvald Boasson Hagen do well today I was reminded of an exchange between Paul Kiimmage and Team Sky's David Brailsford at TDF13 1/3

At the opening press conference in Corsica, Paul asked David why Edvald wasn't a Tour favourite? Why he hadn’t progressed under Sky 2/3

3/3 Brailsford was visibly rattled by the question. He later told David Walsh he was very annoyed with himself for letting the mask slip

4/3 The exchange was removed from the final cut of the feature documentary 'Rough Rider' on legal instruction : #TDF #SportMatters

The interesting thing about Bosan Hagen is that he's the one guy, allegedly, who wasn't afraid of Brailsford

No surprise there. But good to get it confirmed that Brailsford is rattled by Kimmage and they run to their lawyers.

 

[gooner]

Interesting. I remember a few interviews in the week of it been released and Kimmage spoke of things removed for legal reasons. He didn't mention it was Sky or anything. I thought initially it was their own lawyers that had a look at the final cut and did this.

I would like to know was it done from Sky side.

 

[Benotti69]

Sky spent over 2million in 2015 on 'bike and performance equipment' in 1 year?

Wonder does that mean motors?

I would've thought that Sky had sponsorship for all equipment!!!

 

[ontheroad]

Sir Dave's latest musing 'we have been working on catching other teams by surprise!!'. Seriously. I wonder can someone enlighten us how you work on that and if it is also considered a marginal gain. He is fast becoming like comical Ali with his post race analysis.

 

[Benotti69]

'We've been working on catching other teams by surprise' - Sir Dave Brailsford tells Eurosport

How does one work on catching other teams by surprise? :lol:

 

[Lyon]

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Sir Dave's latest musing 'we have been working on catching other teams by surprise!!'. Seriously. I wonder can someone enlighten us how you work on that and if it is also considered a marginal gain. He is fast becoming like comical Ali with his post race analysis.

Post race being the operative word. He is simply a spectator to this like the rest of us. Whatever Froome will do, that's what they have been focusing on.

However, there was another late bloomer that liked to take people by surprise. His name was Bjarne Riis. Anyone remember him?

 

[kwikki]

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'We've been working on catching other teams by surprise' - Sir Dave Brailsford tells Eurosport

How does one work on catching other teams by surprise? :lol:

I'm sure I posted a response to this...and you replied.

Have they been deleted

 

[Lyon]

you have to give it to Sky though, they have better friends than Armstrong ever did - Walsh the Journalist and Swart the Scientist. Guess who will write the foreword to Walsh' next masterpiece: 'Inside Team Science'?

 

[vedrafjord]

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you have to give it to Sky though, they have better friends than Armstrong ever did - Walsh the Journalist and Swart the Scientist. Guess who will write the foreword to Walsh' next masterpiece: 'Inside Team Science'?

How about Vaughters:

“Our head director, Jose Luis Nunez, went to church four times a day,” says Vaughters. He says even as EPO was becoming epidemic in the sport, Nunez’s perspective was “‘No, we’re going to work harder than everyone else, and find all the little training methods no one has thought of, and look at nutrition,’ and so on and so forth. It was the original ‘marginal gains’ philosophy before Sky.” The team hired a mix of young, talented riders—world track champions from Russia and Spanish amateurs who Vaughters says won multiple amateur races in Spain. He was the sole American. With the team’s talent and approach, it should have been instantly competitive. Instead, “We were the worst team in the Spanish peloton, by far,” he says.

Or Riis:

Doping, for Riis, was just one element in the aggregation of marginal gains. The Dane also had an altitude chamber in the cellar of his house in Luxembourg. He dieted. Used acupuncture and herbal supplements. Tinkered with the set-up of his bike. Paid attention to his power output. Used goal-orientated training programmes. And then there was Luigi Cecchini: "He taught me a lot, and I was like his apprentice. We brought out the best in each other when we were working on developing new or different methods of treatment, training programmes or cycling equipment - anything that could help us steal a march on the competition."

 

[DirtyWorks]

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However, there was another late bloomer that liked to take people by surprise. His name was Bjarne Riis. Anyone remember him?

My favorite TdF video, ever. Phil exclaiming "He's attacking again!!" :lol:

The Internet is the best.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Seem Sky have taken another leaf out Armstrong's career moves. Legal threats

Tony Whelan ‏@Tony_Whelan 19h19 hours ago

Seeing Edvald Boasson Hagen do well today I was reminded of an exchange between Paul Kiimmage and Team Sky's David Brailsford at TDF13 1/3

At the opening press conference in Corsica, Paul asked David why Edvald wasn't a Tour favourite? Why he hadn’t progressed under Sky 2/3

3/3 Brailsford was visibly rattled by the question. He later told David Walsh he was very annoyed with himself for letting the mask slip

4/3 The exchange was removed from the final cut of the feature documentary 'Rough Rider' on legal instruction : #TDF #SportMatters

The interesting thing about Bosan Hagen is that he's the one guy, allegedly, who wasn't afraid of Brailsford

No surprise there. But good to get it confirmed that Brailsford is rattled by Kimmage and they run to their lawyers.

The longer it goes, the harder it gets to keep all the lies straight. Let's hope everyone involved make the wrong choice and stay around the sport.

 

[Irondan]

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Seem Sky have taken another leaf out Armstrong's career moves. Legal threats

Tony Whelan ‏@Tony_Whelan 19h19 hours ago

Seeing Edvald Boasson Hagen do well today I was reminded of an exchange between Paul Kiimmage and Team Sky's David Brailsford at TDF13 1/3

At the opening press conference in Corsica, Paul asked David why Edvald wasn't a Tour favourite? Why he hadn’t progressed under Sky 2/3

3/3 Brailsford was visibly rattled by the question. He later told David Walsh he was very annoyed with himself for letting the mask slip

4/3 The exchange was removed from the final cut of the feature documentary 'Rough Rider' on legal instruction : #TDF #SportMatters

The interesting thing about Bosan Hagen is that he's the one guy, allegedly, who wasn't afraid of Brailsford

No surprise there. But good to get it confirmed that Brailsford is rattled by Kimmage and they run to their lawyers.

The longer it goes, the harder it gets to keep all the lies straight. Let's hope everyone involved make the wrong choice and stay around the sport.

I'm not sure that's always the norm. The more the lies are told, the more they believe them their selves. It becomes an alternative reality based on lies...

 

[meat puppet]

So here's the deal, the headline sky has been after.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/team-sky-2-0-more-fun-more-surprising-more-attacking/

Of course, the claim that less attacks means more cleans is now history.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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So here's the deal, the headline sky has been after.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/team-sky-2-0-more-fun-more-surprising-more-attacking/

Of course, the claim that less attacks means more cleans is now history.

It almost looks like a sponsored piece.

 

[Benotti69]

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never

that's possible
Fact is, Brailsford just *loves* guys who've been taken into custody.
Knaven, De Jongh, Sciandri, Millar. And wait, wasn't he taken into custody himself, too? Jeez. What are the odds.

you know that millar was ineligible for employment by team sky......that brailsford was not

himself taken into custody (present at millars arrest)......other implicated staff had to leave

team sky..........

Mark L

IIRC Brailsford was 'interviewed' for a couple of hours by French police and when released hightailed it back to blighty.

 

[sniper]

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never

that's possible
Fact is, Brailsford just *loves* guys who've been taken into custody.
Knaven, De Jongh, Sciandri, Millar. And wait, wasn't he taken into custody himself, too? Jeez. What are the odds.

you know that millar was ineligible for employment by team sky......that brailsford was not

himself taken into custody (present at millars arrest)......other implicated staff had to leave

team sky..........

Mark L

IIRC Brailsford was 'interviewed' for a couple of hours by French police and when released hightailed it back to blighty.

Brailsford allegedly didn't know anything about Millar's doping.
I mean...

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

Looks like Poels took an illegal feed at 5.5km to go...

http://twitter.com/YouGnousse/status/753902393738297344/video/1

 

[deeno1975]

Re: Sky

Looks like Poels took an illegal feed at 5.5km to go...

http://twitter.com/YouGnousse/status/753902393738297344/video/1

You don't cheat on Monday but not on Tuesday or was that Thursday... calling Mr Brailsford to the UCI tent...

 

[gazr99]

I did notice that when it happened, just presumed that they had extended it due to the mountain stage. No wonder Quintana didn't drop him

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: Sky

Sky seen to be doing everything that is juuuuust within the realm of 'legality.'

 

[gazr99]

Re: Sky

Looks like Poels took an illegal feed at 5.5km to go...

http://twitter.com/YouGnousse/status/753902393738297344/video/1

Just realised Poels was 5.5km from the finish, the lead group were, this takes place a good few kms further back as there is a near 6 minute difference I would say 7.5km at least. What is the cut off for food?

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

Looks like Poels took an illegal feed at 5.5km to go...

http://twitter.com/YouGnousse/status/753902393738297344/video/1

Just realised Poels was 5.5km from the finish, the lead group were, this takes place a good few kms further back as there is a near 6 minute difference I would say 7.5km at least. What is the cut off for food?

20km, is the cut off.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Sky

Looks like Poels took an illegal feed at 5.5km to go...

http://twitter.com/YouGnousse/status/753902393738297344/video/1

Just realised Poels was 5.5km from the finish, the lead group were, this takes place a good few kms further back as there is a near 6 minute difference I would say 7.5km at least. What is the cut off for food?

20km, is the cut off.

I thought it was no feeding on climbs at all?

 

[gazr99]

Re: Sky

Looks like Poels took an illegal feed at 5.5km to go...

http://twitter.com/YouGnousse/status/753902393738297344/video/1

Just realised Poels was 5.5km from the finish, the lead group were, this takes place a good few kms further back as there is a near 6 minute difference I would say 7.5km at least. What is the cut off for food?

20km, is the cut off.

Even on a mountain stage? Fair enough definitely should be at least fined

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

Looks like Poels took an illegal feed at 5.5km to go...

http://twitter.com/YouGnousse/status/753902393738297344/video/1

Just realised Poels was 5.5km from the finish, the lead group were, this takes place a good few kms further back as there is a near 6 minute difference I would say 7.5km at least. What is the cut off for food?

20km, is the cut off.

Even on a mountain stage? Fair enough definitely should be at least fined

It's a fine and a time penalty, which would matter little to Poels. I don't see this as a huge deal just not within the "ethics" of the sport.

The reason they don't allow is because it causes accidents.