Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[sniper]

Re: Sky

UCI have to keep up the tradition of bending and/or ignoring the rules whenever it suits Team Sky.

It's good to see some resistance growing on twitter. Not much, but at least some.

Tom Dumoulin Verifizierter Account
‏@tom_dumoulin

I was also held up a little bit by the spectators today. I think around 21 minutes. Can I get a timebonus as well pls @LeTour?

 

[kwikki]

UCI have to keep up the tradition of bending and/or ignoring the rules whenever it suits Team Sky.

..and Movistar.

 

[sniper]

Re:

UCI have to keep up the tradition of bending and/or ignoring the rules whenever it suits Team Sky.

..and Movistar.

whatever it takes to make certain fans believe there is no favoritism.

 

[gazr99]

Re:

...so riders can't take anything from roadside spectators?....i thought the rule was

no feeding from cars

Mark L

Whilst he's obviously not a spectator what is the exact rule?

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

...so riders can't take anything from roadside spectators?....i thought the rule was

no feeding from cars

Mark L

No, the rule states no feeding on climbs unless decided by the race commisaires beforehand. It is recommended that people feed from cars, but the rule covers all feeding.

FEEDING:
2.3.025 In events or stages over a distance not exceeding 150 km, it is recommended that riders be supplied with refreshments only from the team car. The refreshments may be provided either in bonkbags or flasks. Riders shall move slowly up level with their team manager's car and he shall supply them from the vehicle. Food and drink shall be provided exclusively behind the commissaire's car and in no case in or behind the bunch. If a group of 15 riders or less has broken away from the bunch, food and drink may be supplied at the rear of that group.
(text modified on 1.01.05).

2.3.026 In other events or stages the organisers may also provide food and drink in areas set aside for that purpose. The feeding zones will be signposted. They shall be of sufficient length to allow supply operations to proceed smoothly. The food and drink shall be distributed on foot by the staff accompanying the team and by no-one else. They shall be positioned on one side of the road only, which must be the side on which road traffic circulates in the country concerned.
(text modified on 1.01.05).

2.3.027 Feeding is prohibited on climbs, descents and during the first 50 and last 20 km. The commissaires panel may reduce the distance of 50 kilometres mentioned above, depending on atmospheric conditions and the category, type and length of the race. Such a decision must be communicated to interested parties before the start of the race.
(text modified on 1.01.01).

2.3.028 During world championships and Olympic Games, feeding is only permitted at the permanent pit(s) set up for that purpose along the course and from the time set by the UCI for each course individually.
(text modified on 1.01.00).





2.3.027 could be read as allowing feeding on the final climb up to 20km, but the first part of the sentence prohibits it in my view.

 

[gazr99]

To answer my own question they are prohibited from feeding on climbs in the last 20km but this can be altered by the commissare depending on conditions/degree of difficulty of the climb. Again slightly ambiguous as it says feeding which I take as eating/drinking not receiving the food

Anyone who actually cares that much link is below page 32

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/16/11/53/2-ROA-20140815-E_English.pdf

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

To answer my own question they are prohibited from feeding on climbs in the last 20km but this can be altered by the commissare depending on conditions/degree of difficulty of the climb. Again slightly ambiguous as it says feeding which I take as eating/drinking not receiving the food

Anyone who actually cares that much link is below page 32

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/16/11/53/2-ROA-20140815-E_English.pdf

It is not ambiguous at all, it means receiving the food. If you have the food you can eat it whenever you want.

 

[gazr99]

Re: Re:

To answer my own question they are prohibited from feeding on climbs in the last 20km but this can be altered by the commissare depending on conditions/degree of difficulty of the climb. Again slightly ambiguous as it says feeding which I take as eating/drinking not receiving the food

Anyone who actually cares that much link is below page 32

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/16/11/53/2-ROA-20140815-E_English.pdf

It is not ambiguous at all, it means receiving the food. If you have the food you can eat it whenever you want.

I say it's ambiguous due to the language used but I'm no lawyer. Previous bullet points specifically say receiving food and drink. This says feeding, which Is why I'm unsure, why have they used different terminology for the same thing. But either way it's against the rules because he opens the can straight away

 

[ontheroad]

Geraint Thomas interviewed about the Quintana incident when he held onto a moto yesterday has just said the following 'It's not right, it should definitely be looked at'. Now he probably has a point but considering Quintana apparently ordered the peloton to stop riding while Froome went for a call of nature to allow his distressed team mates behind to get back in, the arrogance is unbelievable. Not to mention Poels taking an illegal feed yesterday as well.

And they wonder why they aren't popular.

 

[Saint Unix]

How about we look at Froome completing a part of the parcours yesterday without his bike? Because it's f'ing hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHzTrg32Bo

 

[thehog]

Re:

Geraint Thomas interviewed about the Quintana incident when he held onto a moto yesterday has just said the following 'It's not right, it should definitely be looked at'. Now he probably has a point but considering Quintana apparently ordered the peloton to stop riding while Froome went for a call of nature to allow his distressed team mates behind to get back in, the arrogance is unbelievable. Not to mention Poels taking an illegal feed yesterday as well.

And they wonder why they aren't popular.

I'm with G, we need the entire field DQ'd, just allow Sky riders to ride around France. Maybe Next time Dave & Chris are hangin' with the race jury they can bring it up and make them take a look? :surprised:

 

[gazr99]

Re:

Geraint Thomas interviewed about the Quintana incident when he held onto a moto yesterday has just said the following 'It's not right, it should definitely be looked at'. Now he probably has a point but considering Quintana apparently ordered the peloton to stop riding while Froome went for a call of nature to allow his distressed team mates behind to get back in, the arrogance is unbelievable. Not to mention Poels taking an illegal feed yesterday as well.

And they wonder why they aren't popular.

Not sure how Thomas can answer that question and you be happy with the answer. He says the truth that it should be look at (even its a slap on the wrist or fine) and you're not happy, if he said condoned it, you would have people saying how Sky are openly agreeing with cheating, Lose-lose situation

 

[Saint Unix]

Re: Re:

Not sure how Thomas can answer that question and you be happy with the answer. He says the truth that it should be look at (even its a slap on the wrist or fine) and you're not happy, if he said condoned it, you would have people saying how Sky are openly agreeing with cheating, Lose-lose situation

To avoid controversy, always stick to the Arsene Wenger approach:

"I didn't see it."

Works every time. A team with Sky's PR budget should know this simple trick.

 

[gazr99]

Re: Re:

Not sure how Thomas can answer that question and you be happy with the answer. He says the truth that it should be look at (even its a slap on the wrist or fine) and you're not happy, if he said condoned it, you would have people saying how Sky are openly agreeing with cheating, Lose-lose situation

To avoid controversy, always stick to the Arsene Wenger approach:

"I didn't see it."

Works every time. A team with Sky's PR budget should know this simple trick.

Then you guys are still upset saying how Thomas is obviously lying, typical sky, blah blah. He didn't actually say punish him, I agree it should be looked at, at a minimum.

 

[Benotti69]

Isn't Vasil Kiryienka the TT champion of the world. What happened today?

 

[thehog]

Re:

Isn't Vasil Kiryienka the TT champion of the world. What happened today?

Oh come on, it's clear he gets told to keep slow on ITTs, he is saving himself. As much as I stick it to Sky it's an obvious tactic of many teams to rest helpers in these stages.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Isn't Vasil Kiryienka the TT champion of the world. What happened today?

Oh come on, it's clear he gets told to keep slow on ITTs, he is saving himself. As much as I stick it to Sky it's an obvious tactic of many teams to rest helpers in these stages.

Thomas ignored imstructions so.

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

Isn't Vasil Kiryienka the TT champion of the world. What happened today?

Oh come on, it's clear he gets told to keep slow on ITTs, he is saving himself. As much as I stick it to Sky it's an obvious tactic of many teams to rest helpers in these stages.

Thomas ignored imstructions so.

But 'G' said in an post ride interview with that Laura M 'That as he's not riding for a high GC placing there was no need to kill himself' on the stage.

 

[Benotti69]

Brian Cookson, supposed President of the whole of the International Cycling Federation.

Appears to be a Sky employee

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/753865444516298752

“my friends at Sky”

 

[kwikki]

http://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/shop/team-sky/category/team-sky?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Team%20Sky%2030%20and%20More%20Than%20A%20Race&utm_content=Team%20Sky%2030%20and%20More%20Than%20A%20Race+CID_e78187d912058ddd65f5236f365f26bb&utm_source=campaignmonitor&utm_term=Shop%20Team%20Sky

30% off Rapha Team Sky kit.

They must have some inside information of an imminent positive.

 

[laurensde+]

Re:

30% off Rapha Team Sky kit.

They must have some inside information of an imminent positive.

It's July and Rapha's deal with Sky ends this year.

yw

 

[thehog]

Re:

Brian Cookson, supposed President of the whole of the International Cycling Federation.

Appears to be a Sky employee

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/753865444516298752

“my friends at Sky”

It's old picture, Cookson assisted in setting up the team prior to becoming president.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

Brian Cookson, supposed President of the whole of the International Cycling Federation.

Appears to be a Sky employee

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/753865444516298752

“my friends at Sky”

It's old picture, Cookson assisted in setting up the team prior to becoming president.

30% off Rapha Team Sky kit.

They must have some inside information of an imminent positive.

It's July and Rapha's deal with Sky ends this year.

yw

fair answers from both Hog and and Laurensde+

 

[doperhopper]

Re: Re:

Brian Cookson, supposed President of the whole of the International Cycling Federation.

Appears to be a Sky employee

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/753865444516298752

“my friends at Sky”

It's old picture, Cookson assisted in setting up the team prior to becoming president.

well, there's a saying... "there's nothing like FORMER communist"

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Brian Cookson, supposed President of the whole of the International Cycling Federation.

Appears to be a Sky employee

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/753865444516298752

“my friends at Sky”

It's old picture, Cookson assisted in setting up the team prior to becoming president.

well, there's a saying... "there's nothing like FORMER communist"

I don't doubt it, when he said "my friends at Sky", he meant it, he has many firends there through his position on the Operrating Board.

He no longer holds the position but still as the then representive of British Cycling he shouldn't be wearing freebie kit of a sponsored team.

He was powerless then and even more powerless at the UCI President to stop Sky from doping.

I am also a member of the Operating Board of Team Sky. This is a liaison body between British Cycling and the owners of Team Sky, Tour Racing Limited, the shareholders of which are BSkyB and other companies from within the same group I attend the Operating Board to represent the interests of British Cycling, alongside our Chief Executive, with one of the key objectives having always been that Team Sky provides a clean doping-free environment for as many British riders as possible.

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/bc20121029-Home-Page-Message-From-Brian-Cookson-0#2GfCAMABObS6qXm2.99