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Or it could just be a case of I you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all...
ontheroad said:
Or it could just be a case of I you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all...
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It's odd how often people claim that Kittel has only called out minnows. Whatever else can be said about him, he's criticised numerous big riders by name.
gooner said:
It's odd how often people claim that Kittel has only called out minnows. Whatever else can be said about him, he's criticised numerous big riders by name.
When I think of Kittel I think of Hinaults comments from the early 80s when he said that in his view regular autologous bloodtransfusions are not that bad, but enriching your blood through ozon therapy is outright cheating.
And thinking about It, he had a point.
And thinking about It, he had a point.
Just had a look at the back pages of the papers. Seems a new story by Matt Lawton on Wiggins again. I don't think it's up on the site yet.
EDIT:
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/787043503096356865
EDIT:
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/787043503096356865
Hinault was a great fan of Dr Bellocq's hormone rebalancing therapy too - the very epitome of Sky's TUEs in a way
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This new Lawton story is a bit too sensationalist for my liking. Drugs storm?
It might play in the hands of Sky, as the missed tests are easy to apologize away, and it might give Sky a foothold to accuse Matt of a smear campagn.
It might play in the hands of Sky, as the missed tests are easy to apologize away, and it might give Sky a foothold to accuse Matt of a smear campagn.
It doesn't matter that the TUE story is against Wiggins, this is one story that Lawton should have sat on until when/if there was anything more behind it.
One missed test isn't the new missed three tests.
One missed test isn't the new missed three tests.
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Nonetheless, looking at Twitter today, "3 months before the Olympics" seems to be sticking.
So more bad news for Wiggins.
Question is if Sky and particularly Brailsford will still feel a need to stand up for Brad.
Agreed.gooner said:
Nonetheless, looking at Twitter today, "3 months before the Olympics" seems to be sticking.
So more bad news for Wiggins.
Question is if Sky and particularly Brailsford will still feel a need to stand up for Brad.
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Whilst not the strongest story, I think it has two elements which justify its publication. When placed alongside Wiggins' very recent criticsim of Lizzie Deignan it shows that article was
(i) a cynical ploy to cast Brad in an anti-doping light
and
(ii) his silence on his own missed test shows his comfort with hypocrisy.
Back to the Deignan thing - we still have two very important aspects which seem to get no clearer with time. No verified information over (i) who colluded over the timings and (ii) the outcome at CAS. The ban was agreed to happen after the Tour of Britain - which a confident (how could that be with a career smashing 4 year suspension hanging in the balance !)Deignan rode to a victory - giving the press and embattled organisers - who were scratching around at the time for new sponsors the victory they needed to sell the race, but yet the ban took place later, during the Giro with little press taking interest - how many were aware that Deignan dropped out because she was ill ? And then how did she have the confidence she would be let off at CAS ?
This all smacks that there are more missed test stories at BC/GB and that Lizzie was not the first and only one to have gone to CAS with an appeal over them.
CAS - the bench get picked.
CAS - both the case and decision don't get made public.
These two facts are classic contributory elements for corrupting any judicial system.
Lawton would do well to start digging on both of those.
At the moment what the facts do give us is that both Wiggo and Deignan are comfortable with lying and donning the "EPO CHEATS OUT" cloak that Paula adopted. It worked for that girl - pad in Monaco, fortune in the bank - more than enough money to pay for the best legal team so you are fully lawyered up when any pesky journalists call for the first time.
Right now though the team are divided - Cookson is concentrating on his own re-election because he believes he is the very best person to lead the UCI and so getting close to Nicotine-Brad and the Keystone Cops support team at BC/Sky is not good for his image, so the back up is not unified like it was for Paula.
sniper said:
Whilst not the strongest story, I think it has two elements which justify its publication. When placed alongside Wiggins' very recent criticsim of Lizzie Deignan it shows that article was
(i) a cynical ploy to cast Brad in an anti-doping light
and
(ii) his silence on his own missed test shows his comfort with hypocrisy.
Back to the Deignan thing - we still have two very important aspects which seem to get no clearer with time. No verified information over (i) who colluded over the timings and (ii) the outcome at CAS. The ban was agreed to happen after the Tour of Britain - which a confident (how could that be with a career smashing 4 year suspension hanging in the balance !)Deignan rode to a victory - giving the press and embattled organisers - who were scratching around at the time for new sponsors the victory they needed to sell the race, but yet the ban took place later, during the Giro with little press taking interest - how many were aware that Deignan dropped out because she was ill ? And then how did she have the confidence she would be let off at CAS ?
This all smacks that there are more missed test stories at BC/GB and that Lizzie was not the first and only one to have gone to CAS with an appeal over them.
CAS - the bench get picked.
CAS - both the case and decision don't get made public.
These two facts are classic contributory elements for corrupting any judicial system.
Lawton would do well to start digging on both of those.
At the moment what the facts do give us is that both Wiggo and Deignan are comfortable with lying and donning the "EPO CHEATS OUT" cloak that Paula adopted. It worked for that girl - pad in Monaco, fortune in the bank - more than enough money to pay for the best legal team so you are fully lawyered up when any pesky journalists call for the first time.
Right now though the team are divided - Cookson is concentrating on his own re-election because he believes he is the very best person to lead the UCI and so getting close to Nicotine-Brad and the Keystone Cops support team at BC/Sky is not good for his image, so the back up is not unified like it was for Paula.
interesting that the missed test was immediately after the ToC, and that the 2012 incident of international personal couriering of bandaids/ bike pedals/ marmite was for immediately after the Dauphine. likely a simple case of international travelling messing with the whereabouts, but curious nonetheless.
are people doping right after races, knowing that testing is less likely for the next couple of days when they are glowing?
are people doping right after races, knowing that testing is less likely for the next couple of days when they are glowing?
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Recovery is key, especially when are heading straight to altitude.It's the perfect time to "top up" to beat the passport.
Random Direction said:
Recovery is key, especially when are heading straight to altitude.It's the perfect time to "top up" to beat the passport.
Fran Millar's assistant interviewed on marginal gains and the TUE scandal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8o7RNL-mHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8o7RNL-mHI
Re: Sky
Brailsford:
"We've had very, very few in our history, However, there is a debate now, of course, about whether we should change our policy going forward and look at making TUEs public…
"We'll be reviewing how we operate with TUEs going forward, that's for sure."
Sounds like they'll rebrand themselves as "the team that makes their tue's public" once they've consulted their riders and got them on board
Myself, I still can't decide who was calling the shots here.....Brailsford or Wiggins.
Sky may be willing to try to pin it on Brad and they certainly danced to his tune.
At the time they ditched him for Froome, it seemed odd (I know that seems strange after 3 tour wins)
But now, perhaps we can see another reason for the switch?
Brailsford:
"We've had very, very few in our history, However, there is a debate now, of course, about whether we should change our policy going forward and look at making TUEs public…
"We'll be reviewing how we operate with TUEs going forward, that's for sure."
Sounds like they'll rebrand themselves as "the team that makes their tue's public" once they've consulted their riders and got them on board
Myself, I still can't decide who was calling the shots here.....Brailsford or Wiggins.
Sky may be willing to try to pin it on Brad and they certainly danced to his tune.
At the time they ditched him for Froome, it seemed odd (I know that seems strange after 3 tour wins)
But now, perhaps we can see another reason for the switch?
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Hold on. CAS is not judicial. It's not independent. Many of the most frequently used lawyers in CAS work for the federations when they aren't getting paid by the federations to be in arbitration. When a case goes to CAS, at least one of the parties pays for the arbitration panel. Given the non-existent salaries of most athletes, it discourages arbitration.
Freddythefrog said:
Hold on. CAS is not judicial. It's not independent. Many of the most frequently used lawyers in CAS work for the federations when they aren't getting paid by the federations to be in arbitration. When a case goes to CAS, at least one of the parties pays for the arbitration panel. Given the non-existent salaries of most athletes, it discourages arbitration.
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Haven't seen this posted anywhere in the clinic. Maybe I missed it but it's very funny.
Digger and the clinic get a credit at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8o7RNL-mHI
Haven't seen this posted anywhere in the clinic. Maybe I missed it but it's very funny.
Digger and the clinic get a credit at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8o7RNL-mHI
Re: Sky
Here's a golden oldie. I have it on good authority that it's the same author but under a different pseudonym:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U68WvKmQ_k&feature=youtu.be
It's *** epic, in addition to being *** hilarious.ruamruam said:
Here's a golden oldie. I have it on good authority that it's the same author but under a different pseudonym:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U68WvKmQ_k&feature=youtu.be
Sky and Brailsford have tried to sell a message that relies on people having 'faith' that they are clean.
Faith: not wanting to what is true; says Nietzsche.
Faith: not wanting to what is true; says Nietzsche.
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he doesn't believe in nothing,
he believes in anything."
GK Chesterton
"When a man stops believing in G*dBenotti69 said:
he doesn't believe in nothing,
he believes in anything."
GK Chesterton
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