Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Jacques (7 ch)]

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Excellent article from Richard Williams who as sports journos go is deffo in the sane and rational camp:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/dec/15/team-sky-chris-froome-public-salbutamol-inhalation-cycling

"Despite all Team Sky’s achievements in a tumultuous few years, the sport would now be a better place without them: without their “marginal gains”, without their pretentious corporate culture, without the outsize budget that inflates riders’ salaries and distorts competition, without their race-suffocating tactics, and without the miasma of doubt and innuendo that has settled over them and which no fresh breeze seems able to dispel"

I think Lappartient would agree. Why should he want to intervene on behalf of the Dawg? The ‘business’ has ‘had the best of the Uk market’. Let the good ship SKY slip slowly beneath the waves.

 

[MartinGT]

Re: Sky

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-i-believe-chris-froome-but-im-racing-my-own-tour-de-france/

Why don’t they just get rid of TUEs and that whole grey area.

Because thats what your whole team has been based upon for the last 7 years.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Re: Sky

MPCC put the boot in. The season of goodwill and all that

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mpcc-calls-on-team-sky-to-suspend-chris-froome/

 

[buckle]

Re: Sky

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-i-believe-chris-froome-but-im-racing-my-own-tour-de-france/

Why don’t they just get rid of TUEs and that whole grey area.

Because thats what your whole team has been based upon for the last 7 years.

Throw the African under the bus. Remember Rorke's Drift Geraint!

 

[MatParker117]

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Time for the Murdochs to give a "$100,000 donation towards a drug testing machine" ?

Given that they just agreed to sell the team, I doubt it. Disney will most likely either look to sell or fold the team once the takeover closes.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/story-behind-story-breaking-froome-positive-news/

"Team Sky released their statement prior to the story being published. Did you feel that they were trying to get ahead of the story to put their spin on it?

Yes, I think there was a bit of media management that went on. They got a statement to us about six minutes before they sent it out to everyone else. As you know as a journalist, we have got to re-legal the story, something as sensitive as this. It is not the case of just slamming in a statement and then sending it off. We have to get it re-legaled, we have to rewrite it in order to insert the statement. Everyone knows that is not going to take six minutes to do.

Given that we had given them a chance to comment and to contest any questions we were putting to them, I didn’t feel like it was great form for them to then release a statement widely six minutes later. It gave us very little chance to get our story out there before everyone had it, basically."

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

Pro rider Alexandre Geniez saying what eveny has been thinking for a long time:

https://t.co/Qv4zAswvzZ?amp=1

In Belgium yesterday, Alexandre Geniez had no knowledge of the information of the "Duck" when we contacted him. The Aveyron cyclist (who will start his season at the end of January at "La Marseillaise" before playing the Tour of Abu Dhabi) was surprised like everyone in the middle. It is obviously the terms "corruption" and "swindle" that caught him. "For me, like that, at first, it can only concern a team, one of the best in the world, its leader and other riders, but also the UCI and the British Federation ..." Follow the look the last (and brilliant) winner of the "Trois Vallées Varésines". He and many of his colleagues are still wondering about Chris Froome and Sky's operation and success. "They never miss each other, they are always superior in major events and they win what they have programmed. It's like the English on the track, we always say that there is something. I think it'll be a feast, we'll learn some stuff ... "

"It has been around for a long time and more than we think ..."

The Ruthenois is nevertheless convinced that the evil is behind us. "It's true, in a breakaway, sometimes with some guys, you wonder, you ask yourself questions, but I think that with controls, today is difficult. The electric bike, it has been around for a long time and perhaps more than we think but it concerned in my opinion only four or five runners ... We know the names ... "The one from Cancellara always comes back. His triumphant exits on the Ronde and Hell of the North continue to loop around on the canvas with strings of squeaky or mocking comments.

On the other hand, Alexandre Geniez does not imagine for a moment that ASO, the giant of the world organization, is involved in the case of corruption that interests the judges. "First because I do not see their interest, then because they have often proved that they were the first to fight against all fraud. Frankly no, I do not believe ... "In a few weeks, Alex takes the road with his ideas. "We still have the chance not to run in the 90's (Editor's note: EPO was flowing). We can still exist ... "

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/with-disney-deal-looming-murdochs-empire-is-fractured-20180101-h0c8ki.html

Moreover, James [Murdoch] is likely to emerge with a stake in Disney worth at least $US1 billion.

"That's a good return for putting up with your father for 20 years," [the London-based analyst Claire] Enders said.

:lol:

 

[Wiggo's Package]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/can-cyclings-centre-hold-in-2018/

'It is unthinkable for new UCI President David Lappartient, and just as much for Tour de France director Christian Prudhomme, that Froome could start July's Tour with the process over his AAF ongoing. Yet, with Froome and his legal team able to take their time, that scenario could happen. But then why would he accelerate it? Why would he speed up the process and risk losing one Grand Tour and being banned from competing in his two primary targets of 2018?

A stalling tactic will do little to enhance Sky's popularity, but the sense is that they have long gone past caring on that score. After last year's tense affair, even the annual pre-season media get-together in Mallorca has this January been abandoned. There won't be any media bike rides with Dave any time soon. So against this backdrop, how long has the team got?'

 

[El Pistolero]

Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

I don't see why not ...
except, of course, if
there has been a convenient rule change since 2008.

 

[pastronef]

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Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

ASO can ask Sky not to field Froome for the Tour, Sky has a place because of his world tour status. so bring on G for the GC!

 

[thehog]

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Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

ASO can ask Sky not to field Froome for the Tour, Sky has a place because of his world tour status. so bring on G for the GC!

Bring Moscon the racist for GC! Bouncing from one controversy to the next!

 

[pastronef]

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Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

ASO can ask Sky not to field Froome for the Tour, Sky has a place because of his world tour status. so bring on G for the GC!

Bring Moscon the racist for GC! Bouncing from one controversy to the next!

Moscon going for cobbles in April. and superdomestique in July. too early for GC

 

[thehog]

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Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

ASO can ask Sky not to field Froome for the Tour, Sky has a place because of his world tour status. so bring on G for the GC!

Bring Moscon the racist for GC! Bouncing from one controversy to the next!

Moscon going for cobbles in April. and superdomestique in July. too early for GC

Froomey even if suspended can ride th Atomic Jock Race as it’s not a UCI sanctioned race. What a way to bookend a career with another victory at the Jock Race!!!

 

[pastronef]

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Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

ASO can ask Sky not to field Froome for the Tour, Sky has a place because of his world tour status. so bring on G for the GC!

Bring Moscon the racist for GC! Bouncing from one controversy to the next!

Moscon going for cobbles in April. and superdomestique in July. too early for GC

Froomey even if suspended can ride th Atomic Jock Race as it’s not a UCI sanctioned race. What a way to bookend a career with another victory at the Jock Race!!!

he'll sit out for a few months and come back Alberto style, a bit slower than before

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

ASO can ask Sky not to field Froome for the Tour, Sky has a place because of his world tour status. so bring on G for the GC!

Bring Moscon the racist for GC! Bouncing from one controversy to the next!

Moscon going for cobbles in April. and superdomestique in July. too early for GC

Froomey even if suspended can ride th Atomic Jock Race as it’s not a UCI sanctioned race. What a way to bookend a career with another victory at the Jock Race!!!

To complete the symmetry after that he would go back to stealing kids' rabbits to feed his pet snakes :lol:

 

[macbindle]

And put on quite a bit of weight. Could go full Eddy.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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And put on quite a bit of weight. Could go full Eddy.

First the Dawg gotta smash this year's Tour de Poland two weeks before tanking in the Vuelta

 

[macbindle]

I think you just won the internet

 

[thehog]

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And put on quite a bit of weight. Could go full Eddy.

First the Dawg gotta smash this year's Tour de Poland two weeks before tanking in the Vuelta

Imagine that! Froomey with a triumphant return to the Tour of Poland to finish 83rd again! :razz:

 

[Robert5091]

The Jiffy Bag Saga continues ...
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42668551

UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) claimed its 'jiffy-bag' investigation had been "hindered" and may have even been "potentially compromised" by British Cycling's failure to report doping allegations sooner, the BBC can reveal.

In a confidential and highly critical letter dated 14 November 2017, and sent after Ukad halted its inquiry into a mystery 2011 medical delivery, British Cycling was told its medical storeroom at the National Velodrome had been "chaotic and disorganised".

The agency also pointed to "little if any evidence of supervision or executive oversight" of team doctors.

Ukad had refused to release letters it sent to both British Cycling and Team Sky, despite Freedom of Information requests from the BBC and other media organisations, saying it would leave it open to legal action and that it was not in the public interest.

But for the first time, the details can now be disclosed after BBC Sport obtained the correspondence.
...
Ukad said its inquiry had been "hampered" by poor record-keeping and the cross-over between personnel at British Cycling and Team Sky, a view reinforced in the strongly worded letter it sent to the governing body's chief executive Julie Harrington in November.

In it, Ukad says: "We found no formal processes or procedures in place to record the purchase, use, or disposal of pharmaceutical products and medical supplies, ie a medical stock-taking system, except for invoices kept by the finance department.

"There was no process to record what products or supplies were stored by British Cycling at the velodrome or elsewhere, and what was checked in and out of the medical room on site.

"There were no records of pharmaceutical medical supply packages sent by British Cycling to teams competing at events at home or abroad.

"The medical room at the velodrome was chaotic and disorganised. There was no apparent filing system, and papers were just piled up in cupboards and filing cabinets.

"Electronic medical records were not kept... nor was there any back-up system. We found little if any evidence of supervision or executive oversight of the team doctors.

"There are considerable periods of time in which it is impossible to ascertain if (some) staff were operating as members of British Cycling or Team Sky."

 

[gillan1969]

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The Jiffy Bag Saga continues ...
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42668551

UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) claimed its 'jiffy-bag' investigation had been "hindered" and may have even been "potentially compromised" by British Cycling's failure to report doping allegations sooner, the BBC can reveal.

In a confidential and highly critical letter dated 14 November 2017, and sent after Ukad halted its inquiry into a mystery 2011 medical delivery, British Cycling was told its medical storeroom at the National Velodrome had been "chaotic and disorganised".

The agency also pointed to "little if any evidence of supervision or executive oversight" of team doctors.

Ukad had refused to release letters it sent to both British Cycling and Team Sky, despite Freedom of Information requests from the BBC and other media organisations, saying it would leave it open to legal action and that it was not in the public interest.

But for the first time, the details can now be disclosed after BBC Sport obtained the correspondence.
...
Ukad said its inquiry had been "hampered" by poor record-keeping and the cross-over between personnel at British Cycling and Team Sky, a view reinforced in the strongly worded letter it sent to the governing body's chief executive Julie Harrington in November.

In it, Ukad says: "We found no formal processes or procedures in place to record the purchase, use, or disposal of pharmaceutical products and medical supplies, ie a medical stock-taking system, except for invoices kept by the finance department.

"There was no process to record what products or supplies were stored by British Cycling at the velodrome or elsewhere, and what was checked in and out of the medical room on site.

"There were no records of pharmaceutical medical supply packages sent by British Cycling to teams competing at events at home or abroad.

"The medical room at the velodrome was chaotic and disorganised. There was no apparent filing system, and papers were just piled up in cupboards and filing cabinets.

"Electronic medical records were not kept... nor was there any back-up system. We found little if any evidence of supervision or executive oversight of the team doctors.

"There are considerable periods of time in which it is impossible to ascertain if (some) staff were operating as members of British Cycling or Team Sky."

quite...what were BC telling us the other day about leaks damaging the sport?????

 

[vedrafjord]

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Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

I don't see why not ...
except, of course, if
there has been a convenient rule change since 2008.

They can't exclude the whole team if it's a WT team at a WT event - the 2008 Tour was a 'renegade' race outside the World Tour and was sanctioned by the Fédération Française de Cyclisme, not the UCI. I can't think of an example of a race forcing a WT team to exclude a rider - lots of races have informally excluded Pro Conti riders who have served bans, but using the 'soft' power of threatening to withdraw wildcards rather than UCI rules, as far as I know.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Re: Re:

Can't ASO just ban him from any of their races like they did with Astana in 2008?

I don't see why not ...
except, of course, if
there has been a convenient rule change since 2008.

They can't exclude the whole team if it's a WT team at a WT event - the 2008 Tour was a 'renegade' race outside the World Tour and was sanctioned by the Fédération Française de Cyclisme, not the UCI. I can't think of an example of a race forcing a WT team to exclude a rider - lots of races have informally excluded Pro Conti riders who have served bans, but using the 'soft' power of threatening to withdraw wildcards rather than UCI rules, as far as I know.

I remember CCC getting an invite to Milan-SanRemo on the understanding ( ) that Davide Rebellin wouldn't get a ride but, yes, that was Pro-conti.