Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Libertine Seguros]

well, Thomas didn't beat small riders/teams when he won his big races. and, unlike Wiggo and Froome, he never needed lawyers.

I don't feel like I'm watching a competition between sportsmen when I see Geraint Thomas competing for GC at a Grand Tour, though. It'd be like watching Wayde van Niekerk or Allyson Felix winning marathons.

The secondary issue then becomes that if I can't suspend disbelief enough to believe I'm watching a competition, then all I have to watch it for is entertainment, and Geraint Thomas, at least on the bike, provides me with no entertainment. Most other people that I've spoken to that have expressed the same statement as you with regards not needing to have any trust in athletes that they're watching a legitimate competition have expressed that sentiment from the perspective of, as long as they're being entertained. As a result, though, this has usually been used to defend guys like, say, Vino or Supermán, whereas teams like Sky who exert tight control over racing and tend to be perceived as subtracting from the entertainment are not usually favoured by those people - making you very much an exception to the rule, which is why I questioned why you had become such a big fan of the team and rider.

 

[pastronef]

Perhaps not small, but Sunweb was similar in budget to Ag2r.

Rival Tour de France teams resigned to Sky's budget advantage

Regardless of whether a superteam stifles racing, rivals agree on one thing: For Team Sky, it is money well-spent.

velo.outsideonline.com

WT in any case. and go figure, Thomas beat a rider who, like him, from a fast TT and allrounder, evolved to be a GT rider losing weight and beating the pure climbers. Oropa 2017 was a great moment for me as a Sky fan.

 

[pastronef]

I don't feel like I'm watching a competition between sportsmen when I see Geraint Thomas competing for GC at a Grand Tour, though. It'd be like watching Wayde van Niekerk or Allyson Felix winning marathons.

The secondary issue then becomes that if I can't suspend disbelief enough to believe I'm watching a competition, then all I have to watch it for is entertainment, and Geraint Thomas, at least on the bike, provides me with no entertainment. Most other people that I've spoken to that have expressed the same statement as you with regards not needing to have any trust in athletes that they're watching a legitimate competition have expressed that sentiment from the perspective of, as long as they're being entertained. As a result, though, this has usually been used to defend guys like, say, Vino or Supermán, whereas teams like Sky who exert tight control over racing and tend to be perceived as subtracting from the entertainment are not usually favoured by those people - making you very much an exception to the rule, which is why I questioned why you had become such a big fan of the team and rider.

I became I big Sky fan because of its wild obsessed haters. Digger, Oufeh, Maximus etc on here and twitter. Florecita caling his son stupi child, many others with many examples. people obsessing about Froome's carbon chain catcher, about how he held a coffee cup, about his weight, about the stickers on his wheels. cheering when they missed to catch a bottle, cheering for a puncture, blaming "former Sky rider" when some rider did anything. so every success, every bottle, every gel, every bend, every win, every cheer, every anything good happening to Sky that could drove them mad was important (on here and twitter) for me. Porte, Porte was so hated, and Rowe. Porte's wins, Rowe leading them in echelons, contribuiting to Sky success and teeth grinding of the haters was great.
none of my friends, girl, family, know I'm a Sky fan. when I turn the tv/phone off, I'm normal ahah.
I never bought a Pinarello or had a Sky-tv subscription.
I cheered Sky because it was Froome's team. even if he didn't ride the race, I cheered his team mates. I wanted the Sky logo on the jerseys to be seen.
Thomas is the only one remaining from those years. he was presente in all the big wins, almost. he still wears that jersey, I need him to be there. when he retires I'll probably won't be that fan anymore.

 

[Ripper]

Which has nothing to do with Wiggins TUE which was the proactive prevention of pollen exacerbating asthma before competition began, because the maximal dose for what he was using under WADA code was leaving him with side-effects and not optimal according to Freeman and the TUE medical notes.
The TUE system doesn't exist to not be used remember, but clearly sending a rider on their way when they just collapsed on a mountain from an Asthma attack isn't good medical practice. This had happened in 2009 at FdeJ iirc and they injected the rider at side of road and he carried on with an rTUE.

Alternate Reality Goggles

Lol, priceless

 

[Ripper]

I became I big Sky fan because of its wild obsessed haters. Digger, Oufeh, Maximus etc on here and twitter. Florecita caling his son stupi child, many others with many examples. people obsessing about Froome's carbon chain catcher, about how he held a coffee cup, about his weight, about the stickers on his wheels. cheering when they missed to catch a bottle, cheering for a puncture, blaming "former Sky rider" when some rider did anything. so every success, every bottle, every gel, every bend, every win, every cheer, every anything good happening to Sky that could drove them mad was important (on here and twitter) for me. Porte, Porte was so hated, and Rowe. Porte's wins, Rowe leading them in echelons, contribuiting to Sky success and teeth grinding of the haters was great.
none of my friends, girl, family, know I'm a Sky fan. when I turn the tv/phone off, I'm normal ahah.
I never bought a Pinarello or had a Sky-tv subscription.
I cheered Sky because it was Froome's team. even if he didn't ride the race, I cheered his team mates. I wanted the Sky logo on the jerseys to be seen.
Thomas is the only one remaining from those years. he was presente in all the big wins, almost. he still wears that jersey, I need him to be there. when he retires I'll probably won't be that fan anymore.

Wow.

That seems like a pretty binary lens?

 

[pastronef]

Wow.

That seems like a pretty binary lens?

yes it's mad. when Thomas will retire (the last original team Sky rider and now Brailsford and Ellingworth gone too) I'll get back to healthy cheering
also, the Sky obsession is gone now that they don't win anymore. Jumbo came and showed them how it's done. and go figure, the Sky obsessed people dressed as antidopers (ahahah) they're gone now. it was anyone but Sky.

 

[samhocking]

Alternate Reality Goggles

Lol, priceless

Actual Reality, you can read the TUEs medical notes, his history, even Asthma UK Monthly in 2007 with Wiggins on the cover and why the TUE was applied for in advance, not as an rTUE which wouldn't be optimal Asthma management. You don't wait for allergies to trigger an attack and then inject like the old days.

 

[gillan1969]

Actual Reality, you can read the TUEs medical notes, his history, even Asthma UK Monthly in 2007 with Wiggins on the cover and why the TUE was applied for in advance, not as an rTUE which wouldn't be optimal Asthma management. You don't wait for allergies to trigger an attack and then inject like the old days.

lols...you mean they kept these medical notes...and....written by who...the banned doping doc...or the other banned doping doc? Sky and Sam...a match made in heaven...

 

[samhocking]

lols...you mean they kept these medical notes...and....written by who...the banned doping doc...or the other banned doping doc? Sky and Sam...a match made in heaven...

You can read the abbreviated medical notes on each of his TUEs. You can talk to his ENT he works in NHS Bolton. Fancy Bears failed to release the full medical notes from the NHS - I wonder why they didn't want to attach the TUE notes to the leaked TUE? Mmmm.

 

[burning]

Bumping this thread considering they were OK in the GC and got outclassed or outsprinted in multiple breakaway stages. What happened to them so that they are being outclassed by the top 4 teams in GC?

 

[Rob5091]

Bumping this thread considering they were OK in the GC and got outclassed or outsprinted in multiple breakaway stages. What happened to them so that they are being outclassed by the top 4 teams in GC?

As Ellingworth said, they got lazy, and management did n't adjust to the new "clean sport" that is pro-cycling.

 

[Tim Cahill]

 

[DJO]

I came in here to post the above image. It might be interesting tomorrow. Or, it might be what most of us already know, that the whole Sky era was based on smoke and mirrors.

 

[carolina]

Is that from a news article? Can we get some context?

 

[noob]

Where is this from?

 

[DJO]

It's from Twitter. I assume Nick Harris will be posting his article on his Twitter feed and also his Sporting Intelligence website.

 

[DJO]

x.com

x.com

Skyfall: My new investigation into British cycling's dark past begins tomorrow

This story has been 12 years in the making and will change the way you think about the golden age of Team Sky and Team GB

sportingintelligence832.substack.com

 

[Melo]

 

[pastronef]

how many investigations, tribunals, committees, discussions, digging, scrutiny, hearing did Sky/British Cycling had? all of these judges and people weren't even able to name one rider.
the horse is dead, move on folks, it's not 2012 anymore

 

[Rob5091]

Has Wiggo decided to make some money and sell his story?

 

[Floatstick]

how many investigations, tribunals, committees, discussions, digging, scrutiny, hearing did Sky/British Cycling had? all of these judges and people weren't even able to name one rider.
the horse is dead, move on folks, it's not 2012 anymore

The same was true of Postal.

The problem with this stuff is that either a rider is busted dead-to-rights with a test and does not have the connections to cover it up (a la Landis), or it takes good old fashioned investigation. The latter takes a long time and by the time it wraps most of the riders involved are retired.

This guy spent 12 years putting this together and there is already a comment on it asking him to do the same for UAE and Visma.

 

[Sciatic]

Waiting for Sam to show up

 

[noob]

Has Wiggo decided to make some money and sell his story?

Lance!!!! If Lance can bust someone else he gets revenge so a little nudge on Wiggo that's vulnerable right now...

God I'm cynical!

 

[Tim Cahill]

Has Wiggo decided to make some money and sell his story?

Hopefully

"There are things that have come to light that are quite scary actually and it's very sinister.

"We're finding new stuff out daily. I'd love it to all come out. Once it's all stacked up and pieced together, it's quite shocking."

-Wiggo, 21 July 2018

Any day now, perhaps he will reveal these sinister details on 'The Move', featuring Lance Armstrong

 

[noob]

Hopefully

"There are things that have come to light that are quite scary actually and it's very sinister.

"We're finding new stuff out daily. I'd love it to all come out. Once it's all stacked up and pieced together, it's quite shocking."

-Wiggo, 21 July 2018

Any day now, perhaps he will reveal these sinister details on 'The Move', featuring Lance Armstrong

great mind think alike! Of course Lance is involved! (edit: fixed spelling)