Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[noob]

Imagine a world in which Lance Armstrong personally pays off Wiggins' debt in return for Wiggins confessing everything, i.e. in doing so proving to the world that Armstrong & Bruyneel were just doing what everyone else did & that all the winners who came after the Armstrong years are huge liars & hypocrites.

That would be a fun timeline.

If Armstrong is as strategic and cold blooded as it's said that could/should be the reason he built The Move in the first place. To revenge. At any cost.

I don't think he values status over money though, so probably wouldn't pay off someone to free himself. But manipulate vulnerable people? Definitely 😁

 

[DJO]

Skyfall #1: 'Living a lie' - exposing the dark underbelly of British cycling's golden age

In the summer of 2012, Team Sky reiterated that they were the cleanest cycling team in the world, with no employees who had any doping history. That was far from true.

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[DJO]

There's nothing in the above opening post from Harris that we aren't already aware. A more casual cycling fan might find it useful.

 

[carolina]

He refers to a "extremely senior figure in cycling and at Team Sky", so I don't think it's Wiggins. It would be someone who was a senior at the time and Wiggins was still competing.

 

[Monte Serra]

There's nothing in the above opening post from Harris that we aren't already aware. A more casual cycling fan might find it useful.

Did you have access to full post? The part that available for free doesn't say much indeed. The next part probably lays out what a doper Mick Rogers was, his links to Ferrari and so on. Not something that will surprise anyone. I guess Servais Knaven, as a technically undisclosed doper in Team Sky's staff, will also make an appearance, at some point.

 

[carolina]

He already talks about Rogers and others on the first part.

 

[awavey]

If he is desperate... who knows.

He got nothing to lose anymore.

Some people around him maybe should have stepped in sooner to help, they might have who knows, at least be able to foresee that this could happen when they were in on it together and he knows a lot of stuff.

It is risky.

The reason I don't believe that will happen, is Wiggins never had anything to lose in the first place.

He hasn't gone from steely eyed focessed competitor to his current state, his current state is how he has always been off the bike, and is largely the cause of his current life situation.

If there had been anything super secret to tell, he'd already have told it, probably inadvertently in some nothing interview on daytime tele just as a matter of fact. Because that's just how he is

 

[MartinGT]

There isn't much we don't know tbh. Its about Sutton and how filthy he was and how many people know how filthy he was.

He (Harris) alludes that UKAD gave Sky & BC a free pass in 2012 and beyond.

 

[Rob5091]

Skyfall #1: 'Living a lie' - exposing the dark underbelly of British cycling's golden age

In the summer of 2012, Team Sky reiterated that they were the cleanest cycling team in the world, with no employees who had any doping history. That was far from true.

sportingintelligence832.substack.com

The SOB! He's stolen my Lady Bracknell quote!

Edit - add - as with any good bit of entertainment, hopefully the best is yet to come.

 

[Monte Serra]

He already talks about Rogers and others on the first part.

Yes, I know, but he doesn't mention most of the incriminating stuff yet. It's part of a 12 part series, so my guess is that he tackles the low hanging fruit (such as Rogers) in his first post. Hopefully he can bring some new info to the table, and not just compile well established fact.

 

[noob]

The SOB! He's stolen my Lady Bracknell quote!

Edit - add - as with any good bit of entertainment, hopefully the best is yet to come.

Lol I was thinking "is it from The importance of being Ernest"? It did sound familiar but I wasn't sure. I played lady Bracknell in ancient times on a tiny student scene, but it wasn't in English. Now I digged it up. and now I can't stop laughing.

 

[pastronef]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1815636032164876516

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[ppanther92]

I am surprised that a team as dodgy as Sky/Ineos got so caught out in the arms race.

 

[samhocking]

The reason I don't believe that will happen, is Wiggins never had anything to lose in the first place.

He hasn't gone from steely eyed focessed competitor to his current state, his current state is how he has always been off the bike, and is largely the cause of his current life situation.

If there had been anything super secret to tell, he'd already have told it, probably inadvertently in some nothing interview on daytime tele just as a matter of fact. Because that's just how he is

Wiggins only a couple of months ago was saying when the truth comes out he is going to be a very rich man so Harris is simply playing at sports writing. There's not a single new thing in that entire article, it's just regurgitated stories already told stitched together in a slightly different storyline.

 

[samhocking]

I am surprised that a team as dodgy as Sky/Ineos got so caught out in the arms race.

Crash Pogacar into a bus at 50mph and break Vingo's femur into 3 pieces a year or two later and both teams would be the same level for the next 5-10 years. I mean sure, you could argue Kuss the domestique did a Thomas the domestique but that is the level remaining in Jumbo and Adam Yates the domestique level remaining in UAE like Thomas at Ineos now. You're looking at needing a decade of increasing momentum to replace riders of the level Froome, Bernal, Vingo and Pogacar race at imo

 

[pastronef]

and obvs between the TDF and the Olympics, the interest is high, with the GB track team who will be going for a few medals, so this will get many clicks. fine

 

[samhocking]

I feel Harris's unfolding story over the next few weeks will even surpass the absurdity of the Ketone Guinea Pigs when its use is now shown on live TV in Le Tour lol!

 

[awavey]

and obvs between the TDF and the Olympics, the interest is high, with the GB track team who will be going for a few medals, so this will get many clicks. fine

Not been picked up by any MSM yet in the UK, maybe they're in on the conspiracy of silence too

 

[samhocking]

Not been picked up by any MSM yet in the UK, maybe they're in on the conspiracy of silence too

It's not worthy to be told yet again by them. It's gonna be 4 weeks of Nick's nothing burgers telling us all about everything we already know about Bobby Jullich, Michael Rogers, Michael Barry & Gert Leinders. Tyler Hamilton will act as the supposed witness to the claims that were only allegations and Nick will pull out the 'winning clean in 5 years' as evidence they didn't win clean simply by association. Nick's strapline sets all this out already so we know the story he's' about to tell already.

In the summer of 2012, Team Sky reiterated that they were the cleanest cycling team in the world, with no employees who had any doping history. That was far from true.​

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Crash Pogacar into a bus at 50mph and break Vingo's femur into 3 pieces a year or two later and both teams would be the same level for the next 5-10 years. I mean sure, you could argue Kuss the domestique did a Thomas the domestique but that is the level remaining in Jumbo and Adam Yates the domestique level remaining in UAE like Thomas at Ineos now. You're looking at needing a decade of increasing momentum to replace riders of the level Froome, Bernal, Vingo and Pogacar race at imo

Now now now... I like Sepp Kuss even less than I like Geraint Thomas, but comparing the two riders as GT winners is simply not on. Sepp Kuss is, to date, a one-hit wonder who gained time in a break and survived by being the 3rd best rider in the race and his team telling the other two riders to sit and pick their noses instead of racing because they didn't want to get too many dislikes on Twitter. Geraint Thomas won a GT and has podiumed several others by being demonstrably one of the strongest riders in the race going in as a leader, regardless of how hilarious and intelligence-insulting I may find him being that to be.

 

[samhocking]

Now now now... I like Sepp Kuss even less than I like Geraint Thomas, but comparing the two riders as GT winners is simply not on. Sepp Kuss is, to date, a one-hit wonder who gained time in a break and survived by being the 3rd best rider in the race and his team telling the other two riders to sit and pick their noses instead of racing because they didn't want to get too many dislikes on Twitter. Geraint Thomas won a GT and has podiumed several others by being demonstrably one of the strongest riders in the race going in as a leader, regardless of how hilarious and intelligence-insulting I may find him being that to be.

I was really implying Thomas was essentially Froome's and Bernal's domestique and Ineos's next best GC rider and so was Kuss after he nulled the race for Jumbo (probably now Jorgenson is the new Kuss). I wasn't' implying Kuss's potential future palamares, in fact he doesn't seem to want to be a GC racer at all like Thomas.

 

[topcat]

Wiggins only a couple of months ago was saying when the truth comes out he is going to be a very rich man so Harris is simply playing at sports writing. There's not a single new thing in that entire article, it's just regurgitated stories already told stitched together in a slightly different storyline.

I believe that as we walk through time, the best is yet to come

 

[samhocking]

Maybe, seems a lot of detail is locked up in legal protection. and not sure what the timescale of stuff like that.
The far more interesting side to the Sky years is probably what made Wiggins what he was imo. Good podcast with him at Herne Hill the other day.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRKiRF_BcgA

 

[noob]

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It's so tragic with Bernal 💔

 

[Tim Cahill]

It's so tragic with Bernal 💔

I'm quite sceptical usually but the more time passes the more I lean towards cleanz, or at least as close-to as Tour winners can get.

I'll always remember him getting dropped in 2020 on Puy Mary(?) and the camera picking up him saying 'they are next levelling it somehow' as he's setting record power numbers and they're just flying past him.