Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[samhocking]

Those *** interviews never happened. Why would a dopester have such interviews? Surely he hired them for their doping expertise?

You think Sutton is a doping expert? He couldn't even dope himself, he screwed it up and ended his career from a botched injection lol! Leinders had been failing to win Le Tour for his entire career at Rabobank.

 

[Rob5091]

Sir Dave's "winning clean" mantra was bs from day 1, and anyone with knowledge of pro-cycling knew it. The Lance Scandal made it clear to everyone outside of cycling that to win, you have to dope. This put Sir Dave in a tricky position as reputation and public appearance is everything in his position so after chatting with his buddy, Tony Blair's spin doctor Alistair Campbell, he doubled down basically.
The interviews were as much public PR as investigative. Sir Dave kept his job, the public apperance was reinforced and Sky was distanced from "toxic Lance".

Edit - forgot to add, of course this was done with no pressure what so ever from the Murdochs at Sky.

 

[samhocking]

You gotta admit though, historically every teams doping collapsed getting caught, always involved illegal substances, always involved WADA/UCI rule violations and always had direct evidence their riders doped. Sky after the millions of words written alleging they doped riders and discussed more than any team in history, not only have no evidence they did anything of what is alleged, they are now the last remaining team in World Tour without a doping violation since they launched and we know Lappartient did his best for this not to be the case and he failed too!

 

[Monte Serra]

You gotta admit though, historically every teams doping collapsed getting caught, always involved illegal substances, always involved WADA/UCI rule violations and always had direct evidence their riders doped. Sky after the millions of words written alleging they doped riders and discussed more than any team in history, not only have no evidence they did anything of what is alleged, they are now the last remaining team in World Tour without a doping violation since they launched and we know Lappartient did his best for this not to be the case and he failed too!

No evidence? No doping violation? Seriously?

https://www.ukad.org.uk/news/former...d-freeman-receives-ban-sport-anti-doping-rule

 

[yaco]

I could have sworn that Jonathon-Tiernan Locke rode for Sky.

 

[Mayomaniac]

You gotta admit though, historically every teams doping collapsed getting caught, always involved illegal substances, always involved WADA/UCI rule violations and always had direct evidence their riders doped. Sky after the millions of words written alleging they doped riders and discussed more than any team in history, not only have no evidence they did anything of what is alleged, they are now the last remaining team in World Tour without a doping violation since they launched and we know Lappartient did his best for this not to be the case and he failed too!

Well, besides the Froome thing you also had the Henao bio passport thing that ended in a rather weird way, remember those studies about altitude and altitude natives?
Lot's of TUE's and questionable grey area stuff, but yeah, technically no doping bans (nobody in the right mind would put the JTL thing on Sky).

 

[Mayomaniac]

I could have sworn that Jonathon-Tiernan Locke rode for Sky.

Wasn't his suspension for stuff he did before he joined them? Technically one could argue that it wouldn't count because of that...

 

[DJO]

No new post from Harris today. I will post his next one as soon as it's available.

 

[pastronef]

I could have sworn that Jonathon-Tiernan Locke rode for Sky.

his violation occurred during his 2011 season at Endura. as usual it took UCI months to investigate, and his ban came when he was riding for Sky.
same as Bonnamour: violation with B&B Hotels, the ban came when he was riding with Ag2r.

 

[awavey]

You gotta admit though, historically every teams doping collapsed getting caught, always involved illegal substances, always involved WADA/UCI rule violations and always had direct evidence their riders doped. Sky after the millions of words written alleging they doped riders and discussed more than any team in history, not only have no evidence they did anything of what is alleged, they are now the last remaining team in World Tour without a doping violation since they launched and we know Lappartient did his best for this not to be the case and he failed too!

If there's one journalist who spent most of their latter career trying to prove Sky broke the rules, it was Kimmage, and he never found anything that would stick.

 

[awavey]

So the journalist is lying? "to state they had zero experience or knowledge of doping in their careers."

I'd need to reread Rogers biography to recall the exact way it was presented to them. I know Vaughters always dismissed it as a bar noone in cycling at that time could meet.

And I think most around the time accepted it was a PR way of presenting the way forward, not to focus on the past, but also to preclude the worst of the dopers and those around them from the team.

 

[Nomad]

his violation occurred during his 2011 season at Endura. as usual it took UCI months to investigate, and his ban came when he was riding for Sky.
same as Bonnamour: violation with B&B Hotels, the ban came when he was riding with Ag2r.

Locke's violation was actually in September, 2012 - right after he won the Tour of Britain. This was the case where his initial blood sample was taken for the ABP program & it was flagged for an astronomically high Off-Score of 155 (the highest I've seen in cycling or athletics BP cases).

His defense was severe intoxication & dehydration at the time the sample was taken (he explained that he went on a drinking binge with his girlfriend the night before to celebrate his new contract with Sky. Lol).

There's a PDF of his CAS hearing available if anyone wants to read it.

 

[pastronef]

Locke's violation was actually in September, 2012 - right after he won the Tour of Britain. This was the case where his initial blood sample was taken for the ABP program & it was flagged for an astronomically high Off-Score of 155 (the highest I've seen in cycling or athletics BP cases).

His defense was severe intoxication & dehydration at the time the sample was taken (he explained that he went on a drinking binge with his girlfriend the night before to celebrate his new contract with Sky. Lol).

There's a PDF of his CAS hearing available if anyone wants to read it.

yes sorry, 2012. he signed for Sky in 2013 and his suspension was announced in 2013 while he rode for Sky.
his ABP violation happened with Endura in 2012.

 

[MartinGT]

Locke's violation was actually in September, 2012 - right after he won the Tour of Britain. This was the case where his initial blood sample was taken for the ABP program & it was flagged for an astronomically high Off-Score of 155 (the highest I've seen in cycling or athletics BP cases).

His defense was severe intoxication & dehydration at the time the sample was taken (he explained that he went on a drinking binge with his girlfriend the night before to celebrate his new contract with Sky. Lol).

There's a PDF of his CAS hearing available if anyone wants to read it.

Get smashed before the worlds in which he finished 19th. Aye Jon of course you did.

 

[MartinGT]

Let's not forget Josh Edmondson too

 

[Saint Unix]

You gotta admit though, historically every teams doping collapsed getting caught, always involved illegal substances, always involved WADA/UCI rule violations and always had direct evidence their riders doped. Sky after the millions of words written alleging they doped riders and discussed more than any team in history, not only have no evidence they did anything of what is alleged, they are now the last remaining team in World Tour without a doping violation since they launched and we know Lappartient did his best for this not to be the case and he failed too!

I guess the four year ban for Richard Freeman for possession of banned PEDs doesn't count because he wasn't a rider himself?

 

[MartinGT]

Part 3 out today

Still all about Sutton but; A couple snippets

Reliable sources later told me that Collins had met Shane Sutton and used him as a key source to suggest Wiggins was a cheat. If Collins had outed Sutton as a doper in the same report, then Sutton would have withdrawn the private testimony that nailed Wiggins, it was alleged to me

Sutton certainly had fierce loyalty from a group of colleagues and riders he coached, many of whom he helped into employment later at British Cycling. The omertà was strong.

Basically they're telling us what we know. Sutton is a compulsive liar and bully. Sky kept him and Knaven on for a period knowing this despite having their whiter than white , holier than thou PR BS.

 

[DJO]

Skyfall #3: Drugs at the TdF, backstabbing, lies, cover-ups, omertà. Hello, British cycling

In the 3rd part of my series about drugs & dishonesty in British cycling, I connect doping at the 1987 & 2012 Tours de France to a rivalry between Wiggins & Froome

sportingintelligence832.substack.com

 

[pastronef]

then Sutton would have withdrawn the private testimony that nailed Wiggins

nailed Wiggins?
for what? the jiffy bag? was Wiggo nailed by any tribunal or antidoping for the jiffy bag? has he been named in any decision?

 

[noob]

Says he's been contacted by Landis! I really thought he had let go of cycling completely. I am intrigued.

 

[MartinGT]

I see Sam has signed up for it judging by the comments

@pastronef I assume the jiffygate? Albeit that's hardly 'nailed'

 

[pastronef]

I see Sam has signed up for it judging by the comments

@pastronef I assume the jiffygate? Albeit that's hardly 'nailed'

yes Jiffygate or what it's called. very hardly nailed. antidoping needs proof

 

[samhocking]

I guess the four year ban for Richard Freeman for possession of banned PEDs doesn't count because he wasn't a rider himself?

It counts for him, but I don't really count a charge of 'knowing or believing to dope riders' is actually about riders being doped by him because there's no evidence with that statement, there's no witnesses, no statements, no products, no violations, and no rider sanctions, so how come? How come after so much will and time spent trying to prove they doped to win a bike race is nothing ever found as evidence where a rider actually doped to win a bike race? There should at least be a person other than a newspaper claiming this to be a team doping riders with a written statement.

 

[samhocking]

Says he's been contacted by Landis! I really thought he had let go of cycling completely. I am intrigued.

I doubt Landis is aware Harris is just mashing bits and pieces of old news into a story that can be passed off as new again. He's kind of just bolting the GMC bits onto DCMS & Daily Mail bits to keep the same story updated, but no new evidence or statements from anyone.

 

[thelostlibertine]

Hey guys! Here's Ineos's Josh Tarling's chat with Bobby and Jens on the Odd Tandem.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvVSX4c6mTs&t=2s