Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Telmisartan new]

I'd say Yates is toast... if only that wouldn't make the whole TdF campaign a PR disaster.

DB put himself in one crazy corner here... keep a known doper and pretend everything was ayokay, or blemish the first UK win.

Rogers is the key here, Yates i couldnt give a monkeys about other than the fact that he's a dislikable lying rat, if Freiburg goes then the whole season is tainted especially the TDF win, puts them right under the cosh.

 

[MartinGT]

What is wrong with people.

Loads on Tw@tter saying "Well dont to Sky for sticking to their guns"

Well they would have looked dicks for not doing so!

 

[Franklin]

Rogers is the key here, Yates i couldnt give a monkeys about other than the fact that he's a dislikable lying rat, if Freiburg goes then the whole season is tainted especially the TDF win, puts them right under the cosh.

For us here in the clinic yes, but for the general public yates is a key piece.

Imagine the headline in the British press:

"Australian teammate of Wiggins is sacked due to earlier doping links"
"British Teammanager of Wiggins is sacked due to earlier doping links"

I'd say the second is for the general public much more dramatic.

 

[sofacycling]

How did the British Cycling / Sky machine deal with the 50% rider they had back at the start of their program , a track rider ?

 

[Don Quixote]

That is the purpose of Sky's policy: To teach riders to keep omerta. They want it made very clear that a job with them relies on keeping quiet. Anyone weak enough to confess is not someone they want in their organization.

That would be a high risk strategy. I think DB will have been made aware in no uncertain terms, that Sky is scandal averse. News Corp right now, from the very top down - is scandal averse. I think that this lies behind the policy, rather than any omerta driven agenda.

Murdoch ended up with pie in his face through some bull**** journo omerta that collapsed as soon as a candle was lit under it. I'm not so sure he'd now trust a bunch of guys in spandex and their 'omerta' with his reputation.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Which is why everyone at Sky is so keen to paint it as being 15 years ago rather than 2 years ago.

I think Rogers is protected because he simply comes too close to Wiggins and Froome.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Joe Papp ‏@joepabike

I encourage all @TeamSky riders & staff who may have some past #doping history to STFU! Protect your jobs so you can feed your families!

 

[Scatto]

That is the purpose of Sky's policy: To teach riders to keep omerta. They want it made very clear that a job with them relies on keeping quiet. Anyone weak enough to confess is not someone they want in their organization.

I agree with that. To put Armstrong behind bars would only be correct: he was a leader, criticized over and over again but never used his capacities to do something for the sport. He had a choice.

Other figures did not. I believe they all have to pay, since they all cheated, but there should have been an opportunity for amnesty. Like "Here's one week to confess about having doped, next week you sign that you have been promoting clean cycling in the last two years and that your statement this week was correct. If that proves false, you gonna pay way more than the amnesty offer."

That would only be fair to the many not so wealthy or famous riders that gave up school to ride a bike and for whom cycling is their whole life. It's hard to believe that Julich never doped from 1998 onwards, but if that would be the case, he would have been a hero and honoured instead of spit out. Yet he too kept quiet for too long.

 

[Telmisartan new]

For us here in the clinic yes, but for the general public yates is a key piece.

Imagine the headline in the British press:

"Australian teammate of Wiggins is sacked due to earlier doping links"
"British Teammanager of Wiggins is sacked due to earlier doping links"

I'd say the second is for the general public much more dramatic.

I dont work in PR so i am not certain what plays out worst. To my mind one is an old geezer who drives a car and has a dodgy ticker and the other is a direct link to Wiggins. Yates isnt even Wiggins go to man at Sky, its Shane Sutton. The fall out from Rogers going would be far greater in my view.

 

[Don Quixote]

For us here in the clinic yes, but for the general public yates is a key piece.

Imagine the headline in the British press:

"Australian teammate of Wiggins is sacked due to earlier doping links"
"British Teammanager of Wiggins is sacked due to earlier doping links"

I'd say the second is for the general public much more dramatic.

Today's a good day to bury bad news. One gone.

Wait til Israel bomb Iran or summit, and bingo...

 

[MartinGT]

Joe Papp ‏@joepabike

I encourage all @TeamSky riders & staff who may have some past #doping history to STFU! Protect your jobs so you can feed your families!

What a bell.

 

[BroDeal]

Joe Papp ‏@joepabike

I encourage all @TeamSky riders & staff who may have some past #doping history to STFU! Protect your jobs so you can feed your families!

I have to give Papp that one. It's funny because it is so true.

 

[maltiv]

Joe Papp ‏@joepabike

I encourage all @TeamSky riders & staff who may have some past #doping history to STFU! Protect your jobs so you can feed your families!

Well, most of them made money they didn't deserve due to doping. I'm sure they don't have problems feeding their families

Anyway, surely some team will pick up Julich, he's clearly a great coach. Probably either Saxo or Garmin.

 

[Don Quixote]

Well, most of them made money they didn't deserve due to doping. I'm sure they don't have problems feeding their families

Anyway, surely some team will pick up Julich, he's clearly a great coach. Probably either Saxo or Garmin.

I agree with this, because I think about the guys forced from the sport because they refused to dope. What happened to their families?

 

[Benotti69]

Well, most of them made money they didn't deserve due to doping. I'm sure they don't have problems feeding their families

Anyway, surely some team will pick up Julich, he's clearly a great coach. Probably either Saxo or Garmin.

Has to be Saxo since he didn't admit to doping at CSC!

 

[cineteq]

Well, most of them made money they didn't deserve due to doping. I'm sure they don't have problems feeding their families

That's true, but weren't most supporting it? I wonder if Julich is the last straw? In the sense that, does anyone to confess now is out of a job automatically?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Bobby Julich has left Sky and admitted to doping. So seems like the criticized "PR-stunt" with the contract wasn't just a PR stunt after all...

For all the **** Sky are getting on here, at least they are making an effort now. Meanwhile dirty liars like Kim Andersen, Ibarguren, Ekimov etc get to keep their jobs in their respective teams.

Sky are getting **** because Andersen, Ibarguren and Ekimov's teams never claimed to be a clean revolution.

It is still a PR stunt, they're making an effort because their hand is being forced. They've been talking the talk about being clean since their inception, but this is the first time we have seen them forcibly walking the walk.

 

[Don Quixote]

Sky are getting **** because Andersen, Ibarguren and Ekimov's teams never claimed to be a clean revolution.

It is still a PR stunt, they're making an effort because their hand is being forced. They've been talking the talk about being clean since their inception, but this is the first time we have seen them forcibly walking the walk.

I think the sponsor is forcing the hand - it is therefore no PR stunt. I'm sure some staff and riders would love it to be a PR stunt, and perhaps lapped it up as such at the beginning. However, the affirmation of the original 0T policy by DB and the subsequent moves are telling imo.

 

[MartinGT]

Well, most of them made money they didn't deserve due to doping. I'm sure they don't have problems feeding their families

Anyway, surely some team will pick up Julich, he's clearly a great coach. Probably either Saxo or Garmin.

This!

Why are people sympathising with a bloody cheat! Someone who cheated others of podium places etc.

 

[Velo_vicar]

This!

Why are people sympathising with a bloody cheat! Someone who cheated others of podium places etc.

So sky did the right thing?

 

[skimazk]

one down, more to come...

if sky is thorough there might soon be need for a few new DS as both Servais Knaven and Steven de Jongh have a TVM history (Tour 1998 manager, docter, soigneur arrested and convicted, both dragged to a hospital to leave samples of blood, urine and hair (no personal consequences)).

There were no properly validated tests to detect EPO and other banned substances at the time, so the prosecution based its case on indirect evidence, implicating Dr Mikhailov as the administrator of the EPO.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/in_depth/2001/tour_de_france/1443699.stm
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/jul01/jul18news.php
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/1998/jul98/jul19a.html

 

[MartinGT]

So sky did the right thing?

What message does it send out to kids. If you cheat its ok if you leave it a bit. Youll get a job on a team later.

Vino, Jullich, Rogers, Bertie, Lance etc should NEVER have jobs on teams, what message does it send to the kids?

 

[cineteq]

What message does it send out to kids. If you cheat its ok if you leave it a bit. Youll get a job on a team later.

Vino, Jullich, Rogers, Bertie, Lance etc should NEVER have jobs on teams, what message does it send to the kids?

The issue is that most riders, personnel, teams are involved. So the silent ones get a pass?

 

[Love the Scenery]

The issue is that most riders, personnel, teams are involved. So the silent ones get a pass?

Agree with Cineteq. The message Sky sends to kids is that they should cheat and they should never admit it because if they admit it they will be punished.

Sky is not sending an antidoping message, they are sending an anti-truth message.

 

[hatcher]

Get away with if for long enough, and you'll escape punishment (some of you anyway).

That's the message we need kids to hear.

Never teach kids to own up to their mistakes and take their punishment.