Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

Bon Jovi will kick The Hogs a$$ when he reads this.

Bon Jovi now lives on the Upper West Side in New York. He's no Wiggo!

 

[andy1234]

Bon Jovi now lives on the Upper West Side in New York. He's no Wiggo!

I thought he was living on a prayer?

 

[thehog]

I thought he was living on a prayer?

No. He's only half way there.

 

[maltiv]

More criticism of Sky's 'hide the dopers' policy:

"Tygart reiterated that he thinks a "truth and reconciliation" and a willingness to objectively examine cycling's past is the only way for the sport to move on, and does not agree with the Sky team's "zero tolerance" anti-doping policy.

"If you doped, that's basically a lie. So you're going to have no problem continuing to lie. If you're asked if you doped in the past and you know there will be consequences if you finally tell the truth, are you going to tell the truth? No, you're just going to continue to lie.

"That further sustains cheaters within the sport who are living a lie, who have to continue to live the lie, so there's a lot less likelihood they're ever going to change their ways, seek forgiveness and be redeemed. Which is why we think it's really important to have a meaningful truth and reconciliation.""

Dave.

He said this before any of the Sky guys had come out, though. In hindsight it's quite obvious that he was wrong, since 2 guys have indeed come out and admitted doping, even if they didn't tell everything they know.

I guess he underestimated the size of the financial parachute Sky actually are giving for admitting doping. People who fear they'd get outed soon anyway will take that and admit to doping instead of the uncertainty of continuing and possibly be fired with no compensation.

 

[andy1234]

No. He's only half way there.

It all makes sense now.

 

[dolophonic]

Wiggins shows his true class in this outburst - that sort of vitriole is working class. No middle class guy would ever come out with that.

Cycling is a working class sport.

Really.. i dont know about that.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

No ***?
10char.

Thehog will kick bon jovi's *** and not vice versa.

 

[veganrob]

Thehog will kick bon jovi's *** and not vice versa.

Hell yea. And that steel horse BJ is riding is a freaking Huffy

 

[JimmyFingers]

Wiggins class or lack or it, his personality, his parents, the school he went to, the clothes he wears, the music he listens to, none of it have anything remotely to do with whether he rides clean or not.

Which means the last four or five pages of this thread are utterly useless, unless you were looking for proof that elements of this forum are only looking to slag him off for any reason they can, doping being only one of those.

Personally I come here to look for the truth in cycling, to try to satisfy my own desire to know the sport and the riders I watch are clean. I don't think the truth of that is to be found in why Britain had riots last year, or whether class is do with your postcode or schooling or whether you call sausages 'bangers' or not.

If you want to abuse cheating sportsmen and women then cycling is a good sport to do it, but some more excitable sorts get carried away and enjoy it so much they look for any excuse to abuse the rider and anyone who objects to the abuse. Unfortunately this place seems almost totally unmoderated which means trolling like that is tolerated. Shame because it does nothing to advance the debate and despite what they think, the abuse actually diminishes the accusations of doping by undermining the credibility of those posting it. It also means threads like this descend into a pointless ****ing contest.

Just sayin'

 

[thehog]

Wiggins class or lack or it, his personality, his parents, the school he went to, the clothes he wears, the music he listens to, none of it have anything remotely to do with whether he rides clean or not.

Which means the last four or five pages of this thread are utterly useless, unless you were looking for proof that elements of this forum are only looking to slag him off for any reason they can, doping being only one of those.

Personally I come here to look for the truth in cycling, to try to satisfy my own desire to know the sport and the riders I watch are clean. I don't think the truth of that is to be found in why Britain had riots last year, or whether class is do with your postcode or schooling or whether you call sausages 'bangers' or not.

If you want to abuse cheating sportsmen and women then cycling is a good sport to do it, but some more excitable sorts get carried away and enjoy it so much they look for any excuse to abuse the rider and anyone who objects to the abuse. Unfortunately this place seems almost totally unmoderated which means trolling like that is tolerated. Shame because it does nothing to advance the debate and despite what they think, the abuse actually diminishes the accusations of doping by undermining the credibility of those posting it. It also means threads like this descend into a pointless ****ing contest.

Just sayin'

No one said it was about him being clean or not. Not sure where you got that from. You're paranoid.

People were making a point of his lying and narrative changing all the time to fit the circumstances.

"I'm from Maida Vale, Kilburn, never rode against Lance, I love him, I hate him, raced against him 2009" sorta thing he goes on with.

What we did prove was Wiggo likes to lie. A lot.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

No one said it was about him being clean or not. Not sure where you got that from. You're paranoid.

People were making a point of his lying and narrative changing all the time to fit the circumstances.

"I'm from Maida Vale, Kilburn, never rode against Lance, I love him, I hate him, raced against him 2009" sorta thing he goes on with.

What we did prove was Wiggo likes to lie. A lot.

Either that or he has early stages dementia.

 

[JimmyFingers]

No one said it was about him being clean or not. Not sure where you got that from. You're paranoid.

People were making a point of his lying and narrative changing all the time to fit the circumstances.

"I'm from Maida Vale, Kilburn, never rode against Lance, I love him, I hate him, raced against him 2009" sorta thing he goes on with.

What we did prove was Wiggo likes to lie. A lot.

Well actually you didn't since your postcode theory has been thoroughly debunked. And even if you did prove it, so what?

What has been proved that anything that can be portrayed as being negative about him is seized upon and exaggerated and twisted by people with a clear agenda, and which hasn't moved the discussion forward in anyway whatsoever, apart from get a few of the you the attention you are clearly desperate for. A masterclass in pointlessness, chapeau.

 

[JimmyFingers]

And in the theme of pointlessness, how about this?

One of the finest social-commentary films ever made. Come to think of it, Wiggins looks a like one of the main characters. Perhaps we can add thug to his resume

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Wiggins class or lack or it, his personality, his parents, the school he went to, the clothes he wears, the music he listens to, none of it have anything remotely to do with whether he rides clean or not.

Which means the last four or five pages of this thread are utterly useless, unless you were looking for proof that elements of this forum are only looking to slag him off for any reason they can, doping being only one of those.

Personally I come here to look for the truth in cycling, to try to satisfy my own desire to know the sport and the riders I watch are clean. I don't think the truth of that is to be found in why Britain had riots last year, or whether class is do with your postcode or schooling or whether you call sausages 'bangers' or not.

If you want to abuse cheating sportsmen and women then cycling is a good sport to do it, but some more excitable sorts get carried away and enjoy it so much they look for any excuse to abuse the rider and anyone who objects to the abuse. Unfortunately this place seems almost totally unmoderated which means trolling like that is tolerated. Shame because it does nothing to advance the debate and despite what they think, the abuse actually diminishes the accusations of doping by undermining the credibility of those posting it. It also means threads like this descend into a pointless ****ing contest.

Just sayin'

Jimmy, You should look to Bob Dylan to learn about the truth in life.

Just sayin'.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Jimmy, You should look to Bob Dylan to learn about the truth in life.

Just sayin'.

The answer is blowing in the wind?

I'm more Bob Marley

 

[thehog]

Well actually you didn't since your postcode theory has been thoroughly debunked. And even if you did prove it, so what?

What has been proved that anything that can be portrayed as being negative about him is seized upon and exaggerated and twisted by people with a clear agenda, and which hasn't moved the discussion forward in anyway whatsoever, apart from get a few of the you the attention you are clearly desperate for. A masterclass in pointlessness, chapeau.

Anyway you want to ham it up Jimmy. So did Brad Wiggo ride with Lance or not? Its a myth one day and the next Lance they raced in 2009. He likes to lie. Must be class?

I'm not sure what the postcode theroy is but growing up I was a big fan of the band East 17 and loved the movie SW9. People are proud of their postcodes when you're born and raised in London. Its a badge of honor. What Americans never understand about Londoners is our postcode is to the front door not just an area. That's why we know where people are from - postcode. There's a big difference between Madia Vale and Kilburn. Porbably having a chance and not having a chance in life. Wiggins is not Kilburn. Far from it. Born with a spoon in his mouth. He's not street. Long way away from being street. Aw'right?

 

[oldcrank]

Since you love him so much and want him to be a working class hero find me an interview from say 2-3 years ago where he says he's from Kilbrun.

Go on! I dare ya!

Well I'm not sure he ever said he was from Kilbrun, but if we are
talking about Kilburn then it is really quite simple.
Check your copy of his autobiography "IN PURSUIT OF GLORY"
(paperback edition published 2009) in Chapter Three
page 23, and I quote as I did in a previous post in this
thread, "So, post Ghent, there I am growing up in a single-
parent family in a flat in Dibden* House in Paddington, although
some people prefer to call it Kilburn."

*note: in my copy it is referred to as Dibden House,
perhaps in other editions the proof-readers caught
the error.

 

[thehog]

Well I'm not sure he ever said he was from Kilbrun, but if we are
talking about Kilburn then it is really quite simple.
Check your copy of his autobiography "IN PURSUIT OF GLORY"
(paperback edition published 2009) in Chapter Three
page 23, and I quote as I did in a previous post in this
thread, "So, post Ghent, there I am growing up in a single-
parent family in a flat in Dibden* House in Paddington, although
some people prefer to call it Kilburn."

*note: in my copy it is referred to as Dibden House,
perhaps in other editions the proof-readers caught
the error.

And there it is. Is that the autobiography with the entire forward dedicated to Lance? I think it is. Now the second book 3 years later says he hardly knows him.

And Paddington. Now that's a nice area! And now he's just a boy from Kilburn. Simple guy.

The lies just never stop.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Anyway you want to ham it up Jimmy. So did Brad Wiggo ride with Lance or not? Its a myth one day and the next Lance they raced in 2009. He likes to lie. Must be class?

I'm not sure what the postcode theroy is but growing up I was a big fan of the band East 17 and loved the movie SW9. People are proud of their postcodes when you're born and raised in London. Its a badge of honor. What Americans never understand about Londoners is our postcode is to the front door not just an area. That's why we know where people are from - postcode. There's a big difference between Madia Vale and Kilburn. Porbably having a chance and not having a chance in life. Wiggins is not Kilburn. Far from it. Born with a spoon in his mouth. He's not street. Long way away from being street. Aw'right?

Perhaps this is why you so clearly misunderstand the difference between Maida Vale and Kilburn. There's not a wall between them, one isn't full of stray dogs and drug dens and the other sparklingly clean, with neatly kept hedgerows and everyone called Sebastian and Beatrice. Another factor is the huge change in affluence in the inner-city and the gentrification of previously slum areas, with bankers moving en masse into certain areas, sending house prices soaring and the previous owners absolutely minted.

As for having a chance in life or not, and that being dependant on postcode, reactionary nonsense that bears no relation to a society full of opportunity, just ask Alan Sugar. This isn't the 19th century, you're not limited in opportunity because of where you are born, by your surname, by the colour of your skin or by your gender.

But I'm not claiming utopia, far from it: some of the above come with more obstacles than others, but ambition can overcome that. Bradley got to where he is through hardwork and sacrifice, as any professional athlete has too, not through a silver spoon in his mouth, which he certainly never had anyway

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

There you have it. Bradley Wiggins - truly Thatcher's child. Huzzah for Britain showing those feckless, socialist, namby pamby euros how its done.

Got up and pulled himself up by his boot strings. None of this socialist class nonsense.

Oh apart from all that government money ploughed into UK cycling to give him a career...

Ignore that, wrap yourself in the flag, and sing Huzzah for Bradley and his brave working class Brits at Team Sky.

 

[oldcrank]

And there it is. Is that the autobiography with the entire forward dedicated to Lance? I think it is. Now the second book 3 years later says he hardly knows him.

And Paddington. Now that's a nice area! And now he's just a boy from Kilburn. Simple guy.

The lies just never stop.

Not one mention of Lance in the forward. Not a single one.

These lies that never stop that you speak of...are they yours?

 

[ebandit]

fat zero

There you have it. Bradley Wiggins - truly Thatcher's child. Huzzah for Britain showing those feckless, socialist, namby pamby euros how its done.

Got up and pulled himself up by his boot strings. None of this socialist class nonsense.

Oh apart from all that government money ploughed into UK cycling to give him a career...

Ignore that, wrap yourself in the flag, and sing Huzzah for Bradley and his brave working class Brits at Team Sky.

once again zero relavence re brad's choice...to dope or not to dope?

where there is no evidence cloud the issue

 

[Froome19]

And there it is. Is that the autobiography with the entire forward dedicated to Lance? I think it is. Now the second book 3 years later says he hardly knows him.

And Paddington. Now that's a nice area! And now he's just a boy from Kilburn. Simple guy.

The lies just never stop.

When you are reverting to technical differences about where he claims he grew up and bringing that as proof that he is a lier.. well then things really have gone too far..

 

[thehog]

When you are reverting to technical differences about where he claims he grew up and bringing that as proof that he is a lier.. well then things really have gone too far..

I would agree. In isolation. But theres more.

Racing against Lance was a "myth" one week then not. And in his previous autobiography the entire forward is dedicated to Lance and now not. Tax haven. Not a tax haven. Anti-drugs. Smoking. Grupetto one year, climbing HC mountains next.

Something doesn't add up about the guy.

Do guys from Kilburn wear £1200 Paul Smith jackets to dinner?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

once again zero relavence re brad's choice...to dope or not to dope?

where there is no evidence cloud the issue

You need to polish your sentence structure. There is a flicker of something intelligible there but I can't see it.

As Hog has pointed out - this is all about Wiggins apologists re-writing history. So Wiggins now becomes a working class boy who pulled himself up from the gutter, this dedication and hard work is why he is clean. It's about establishing the narrative. Just like someone else established a narrative about over-coming cancer and the laser like focus it gave him having stared death in the face and how having cheated death he would never dope.