Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[JimmyFingers]

We've been calling for Rogers' head for a while now, and while it hasn't been delivered on a plate exactly, if the move is confirmed it is indicative that are Sky are doing what they can to purge the team.

We've already discussed that legally Sky in a difficult position with Rogers. Without an admission of guilt from him Sky would struggle to find good reason to terminate his contract, particularly since Rogers' association with Ferrari was known before he was signed. So like Yates the departure is without fanfare, and you would assume that Sky management, like with Yates, were aware or were made aware of the taint but with the staff member's tacit refusal to admit guilt or presumably sign the declaration the rider is ushered out the back door.

Presumably Saxo want him so badly for his world tour points.

As has been said, a stupid signing by Sky to start with.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

What you people ignore is that sky's entire raison detre (pardon my French) was winning wiggins the tour. The fact that they get rid of someone like rogers once he's helped wiggins win the tour does not all of a sudden legitimize the past. Especially since sky are only doing all this because of the renewed focus on doping brought about by the lance scandal.

Its like a corrupt politician throwing his chronies under the bus only after he has won the election and some other corrupt politicians have been brought to trial.

It in no way legitimizes the past... but since there's a sense of "mission accomplished" at Sky, it doesn't legitimize the future, but it does make them sound a bit more believable when they make future statements about zero tolerance going forward. Nobody in their right mind would ever believe a Sky statement about zero tolerance from 2010-12 anymore.

We know zero tolerance in the past was a lie. They've been called out on that, and rightly so. They've had to bring in the "new" zero tolerance policy, which is nothing more than the old one that they failed miserably to adhere to; but while they were trumping up their ZTP at the same time as somebody with such an obvious doping history as Mick Rogers was there, it was impossible to even contemplate taking their pronouncements seriously.

 

[sniper]

What you people ignore is that sky's entire raison detre (pardon my French) was winning wiggins the tour. The fact that they get rid of someone like rogers once he's helped wiggins win the tour does not all of a sudden legitimize the past. Especially since sky are only doing all this because of the renewed focus on doping brought about by the lance scandal.

Its like a corrupt politician throwing his chronies under the bus only after he has won the election and some other corrupt politicians have been brought to trial.

+1, well said

That would make sense, except that every year is election year, with the TDF. Not every 4 or 5 years.

I think Hitch's parallel is quite straighforward, nail on the head stuff.

 

[hrotha]

He was also a key member of the Tour winning team in 2012. Road captain, is what I would have termed him.

Tinman predicted Rogers was being given time, and this fits with the line of "everyone in next year's team have signed".

I'm going to have to go with the flying ham patrol as well.

If Rogers left because he confessed, that means Brailsford is serious about anti-doping. I'm a bit puzzled by this development.

 

[Tom375]

hmmm doubt he fessed up looks like a Yates style shimmy to the side. Someone said his contract was up so probably Sky just didn't renew it.

 

[JRanton]

We've been calling for Rogers' head for a while now, and while it hasn't been delivered on a plate exactly, if the move is confirmed it is indicative that are Sky are doing what they can to purge the team.

We've already discussed that legally Sky in a difficult position with Rogers. Without an admission of guilt from him Sky would struggle to find good reason to terminate his contract, particularly since Rogers' association with Ferrari was known before he was signed. So like Yates the departure is without fanfare, and you would assume that Sky management, like with Yates, were aware or were made aware of the taint but with the staff member's tacit refusal to admit guilt or presumably sign the declaration the rider is ushered out the back door.

Presumably Saxo want him so badly for his world tour points.

As has been said, a stupid signing by Sky to start with.

Rogers was out of contract and has (apparently) signed too late with Saxo to contribute any points for 2013 (his 2012 points, which are significant, will count for the 2014 season though). If he'd signed before the October deadline then Saxo would be in the top 15 of the UCI's sporting value ranking and wouldn't have to worry about not getting a WT license.

There's an interview with Rogers from about a month ago where he states that he'll probably ride the Giro with Wiggins next year. He was also at Sky's end of season dinner last month (unlike any of the other riders who've left). It wouldn't surprise me if Rogers had already signed a renewal with Sky, or at least agreed to one in principal, only for it to be annulled after Sky's internal 'investigation' decided it was best to ship him out.

 

[sniper]

If Rogers left because he confessed, that means Brailsford is serious about anti-doping. I'm a bit puzzled by this development.

see hitch's post. serious only after the main goals have been achieved and serious only while compelled by the armstrong affair. add to that the leinders affair and the bad publicity it created.

 

[thehog]

Rogers was out of contract and has (apparently) signed too late with Saxo to contribute any points for 2013 (his 2012 points, which are significant, will count for the 2014 season though). If he'd signed before the October deadline then Saxo would be in the top 15 of the UCI's sporting value ranking and wouldn't have to worry about not getting a WT license.

There's an interview with Rogers from about a month ago where he states that he'll probably ride the Giro with Wiggins next year. He was also at Sky's end of season dinner last month (unlike any of the other riders who've left). It wouldn't surprise me if Rogers had already signed a renewal with Sky, or at least agreed to one in principal, only for it to be annulled after Sky's internal 'investigation' decided it was best to ship him out.

Need to protect what's in Rogers head.

I'd say they offered him to Saxo as "points bait head on a stick" to offload their toxic asset.

Wouldn't surprise me, like in football, if Sky will be paying Rogers first year salary at Saxo.

Mr. 450w+ for 4 hours is no more.

Is this the end of UK Postal as we know it?

 

[JRanton]

I think Rogers' departure will really hurt Sky's Grand Tour ambitions. He was calling all of the shots on the mountain stages of the Tour and Brailsford has spoken about him being a key leader on the team. No wonder they were so desperate to hold onto Bernie Eisel because he's really the only one left on the roster now who has loads of experience and has a great racing brain.

 

[JRanton]

Need to protect what's in Rogers head.

I'd say they offered him to Saxo as "points bait head on a stick" to offload their toxic asset.

Wouldn't surprise me, like in football, if Sky will be paying Rogers first year salary at Saxo.

Mr. 450w+ for 4 hours is no more.

Is this the end of UK Postal as we know it?

Possibly. Yates and Rogers is a huge part of it gone.

 

[Tom375]

Possibly. Yates and Rogers is a huge part of it gone.

Ces't la vie - Is there anyone else on their books (with an obvious doping link) that needs to go? Did i see in another thread that there was some sort of Shane Sutton cover up? Didn't quite get it seemed to be something to do with the reporting of Yates retirement originally reported as being doping linked

 

[thehog]

Possibly. Yates and Rogers is a huge part of it gone.

I sense that Brailsford lost control of what was going on in Sky. Yates, Rogers, Sutton went old school Dances with Wolves on Brailsford. After the Armstrong "affair" Brailsford got spooked and wanted to weed out the toxins.

Alas they won the Tour, got the prize, but I don't think we'll see a year like 2012 again. That will be a one off, consigned to the history books filed in a chapter named "suspicious/dubious".

 

[Tom375]

That will be a one off, consigned to the history books filed in a chapter named "suspicious/dubious".

Has the book just got one chapter

 

[JRanton]

Ces't la vie - Is there anyone else on their books (with an obvious doping link) that needs to go? Did i see in another thread that there was some sort of Shane Sutton cover up? Didn't quite get it seemed to be something to do with the reporting of Yates retirement originally reported as being doping linked

There is stuff out there about Sutton, although in PR terms his departure would be 50 times worse then either Yates or Rogers. Not only has he been Wiggins' coach for the last two years, but he's the head coach of the GB olympic programme and Brailsford's right hand man.

 

[thehog]

Has the book just got one chapter

History will be unkind to Sky. In 2013 when they fall off their bikes and struggle to keep up on mountain stages all will become apprent.

Froome without his white lunchbox will be back to zigzagging up climbs and losing 4 minutes in TTs.

Such is life.

We should thank Richie Porte for blowing the lid on Rogers/Yates.

 

[JRanton]

I sense that Brailsford lost control of what was going on in Sky. Yates, Rogers, Sutton went old school Dances with Wolves on Brailsford. After the Armstrong "affair" Brailsford got spooked and wanted to weed out the toxins.

Alas they won the Tour, got the prize, but I don't think we'll see a year like 2012 again. That will be a one off, consigned to the history books filed in a chapter named "suspicious/dubious".

Yeah, I don't think we'll see a 2012, 15,000 CQ points again. That was one for the ages. There is still a highly motivated and ambitious young gentleman called Christopher Froome on the loose though.

 

[thehog]

Yeah, I don't think we'll see a 2012, 15,000 CQ points again. That was one for the ages. There is still a highly motivated and ambitious young gentleman called Christopher Froome on the loose though.

Correct. Froome might go off piste and seek his own program. Could be dangerous for Sky. Without UCI protection in place Froome-dawg might compromise the operation.

I'd put monitoring in on Froome. Give him half a white lunchbox. Not the full consignment. He can't help himself.

Masterstroke from Wiggins to avoid the Tour. Wouldn't want to get mixed up in the Froome/Contador track stand/attack games up d'Huez.

Rassmussen is going to sue Froome for trademark violations!

 

[JRanton]

History will be unkind to Sky. In 2013 when they fall off their bikes and struggle to keep up on mountain stages all will become apprent.

Froome without his white lunchbox will be back to zigzagging up climbs and losing 4 minutes in TTs.

Such is life.

We should thank Richie Porte for blowing the lid on Rogers/Yates.

Why Richie Porte?

 

[thehog]

Why Richie Porte?

He did the right thing. He wasn't happy with what he witnessed in Tenerife.

 

[sniper]

Correct. Froome might go off piste and seek his own program. Could be dangerous for Sky. Without UCI protection in place Froome-dawg might compromise the operation.

I'd put monitoring in on Froome. Give him half a white lunchbox. Not the full consignment. He can't help himself.

Masterstroke from Wiggins to avoid the Tour. Wouldn't want to get mixed up in the Froome/Contador track stand/attack games up d'Huez.

Rassmussen is going to sue Froome for trademark violations!

nice&10chars

 

[JRanton]

Richard Moore, journalist, with close connections to Sky has tweeted the following:

''Interesting, v interesting. I understood he'd renewed with Sky''

It makes sense because Rogers would have signed for another team before the UCI's WT license deadline had he not already renewed with Sky.

 

[sniper]

Correct. Froome might go off piste and seek his own program. Could be dangerous for Sky. Without UCI protection in place Froome-dawg might compromise the operation.

I'd put monitoring in on Froome. Give him half a white lunchbox. Not the full consignment. He can't help himself.

Masterstroke from Wiggins to avoid the Tour. Wouldn't want to get mixed up in the Froome/Contador track stand/attack games up d'Huez.

Rassmussen is going to sue Froome for trademark violations!

a sandwhich with only cheese, no bacon?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

He did the right thing. He wasn't happy with what he witnessed in Tenerife.

Meaning that he did what?

 

[Mellow Velo]

Richard Moore, journalist, with close connections to Sky has tweeted the following:

''Interesting, v interesting. I understood he'd renewed with Sky''

It makes sense because Rogers would have signed for another team before the UCI's WT license deadline had he not already renewed with Sky.

There goes the latest theory that Sky have no further ambition in the TDF and that Mick was discarded because he'd served his purpose.

He did the right thing. He wasn't happy with what he witnessed in Tenerife.

I assume you'll be supplying a link, sometime in the future?

 

[thehog]

Meaning that he did what?

Clintonomics - "the industry should regulate itself".