Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[The Hitch]

Interesting you should mention that. Obviously there is a dependency on the stage and the rider himself but what time up Alpe d'Huez would you start to raise an eyebrow for a rider like Sastre?

Sastres time was suspicious imo. Faster than vino and lance in.03.

And while riding for riis no less.

Looking at the all.time alpe times everyone who ever went faster.than sastre 08 doped and the next person below sastre who hasn't been caught is samuel sanchez 8 times down.

Makes.me.wonder if.lances corners on lalpe will be renamed.

 

[Froome19]

Isn't the whole point of being an anti doping team that proves winning clean is possible, that you are willing to take the lumps once in a whlie that come with breaking the spell?

Sky aren't willing to take any of the lumps for being clean, not even risk a scratch. They just want all.of the benefits.

All true.. and they have learnt the truth the hard way.

 

[maltiv]

Sastres time was suspicious imo. Faster than vino and lance in.03.

And while riding for riis no less.

Looking at the all.time alpe times everyone who ever went faster.than sastre 08 doped and the next person below sastre who hasn't been caught is samuel sanchez 8 times down.

Makes.me.wonder if.lances corners on lalpe will be renamed.

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe Moncoutie has done Alpe d'Huez at around 41 minutes? So if that's possible clean, then Sastre's time of 40 isn't all that unrealistic.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Sastres time was suspicious imo. Faster than vino and lance in.03.

And while riding for riis no less.

Looking at the all.time alpe times everyone who ever went faster.than sastre 08 doped and the next person below sastre who hasn't been caught is samuel sanchez 8 times down.

Yes, given the the crowd he is in the time does look suspicious but as far I know he has not been linked directly to anything dodgy? Be interesting what Froome's and Wiggin's (If he rides the Tour) times will be.

Makes.me.wonder if.lances corners on lalpe will be renamed.

I would be surprised if it did not since all his results during the Tour have been rescinded, no?

 

[The Hitch]

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe Moncoutie has done Alpe d'Huez at around 41 minutes? So if that's possible clean, then Sastre's time of 40 isn't all that unrealistic.

Im not 100% sure but i believe.moncouties 41 minutes was.in the 14k itt that came after the rest day and not the 210k mountain stage that came after a mountain stage that came after a mountain stage

 

[Parker]

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe Moncoutie has done Alpe d'Huez at around 41 minutes? So if that's possible clean, then Sastre's time of 40 isn't all that unrealistic.

Moncoutie was faster than that even. He did the 15.5km TT in 42.02, so if you take off the 1.7km before the climb he's near 40 minutes. Armstrong's offical time for the actual climb was 37.36 and Moncoutie was +2.23 in 9th place.

 

[Ferminal]

He did it 40 flat from memory.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Im not 100% sure but i believe.moncouties 41 minutes was.in the 14k itt that came after the rest day and not the 210k mountain stage that came after a mountain stage that came after a mountain stage

I am sure when I say Sastre is a better climber than Moncoutie. When I now look back in time I understand why Armstrong sprinted after Sastre to la Plagne way back in 2002.

 

[uphillstruggle]

When "questioning" Pat McQuaid, what did Garmin part-owner and ex-doper David Millar, brother of Sky's PR officer and close, personal friend of Sky's team manager and 2012 Coach of the year Brailsford say? "We won clean with Ryder, and I trust Brad". Absolutely no mention of Contador. In the same way Wiggins saying Evans was the first clean Tour winner, implying Sastre was dirty, Millar here is implying Contador's performance / team is suspect - through omission.

Not the same. What Millar said implies that Ryder and Brad did it clean. Not that everyone else was dirty.However, Wiggins saying that Evans was the first credible tour winner in recent years does imply that everyone bar Evans was suspect.

Millar has spoken up to say he thinks Contador is clean before.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Do we know for a fact that he wasn't? Richard Freeman was mentioned as the team doctor on that race but Sky regularly have two doctors at races.

What we do know is that Leinders was the team doctor at every pre-Tour 2012 stage race that the Tenerife gang attended. What do you think about that?

I think that Wiggo and Froome's career best result came when Leinders wasn't the official team doctor and if you think he was still involved anyway, then your specific argument about their results being directly proportional to the naming of Leinders as official team doctor becomes completely worthless, doesn't it? Again, you can't have it both ways. Which is it?

 

[Ferminal]

Wait, Sastre did a 39 flat in 2006 anyway.

I predict winning time 40' - 40'30" next year.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Wait, Sastre did a 39 flat in 2006 anyway.

I predict winning time 40' - 40'30" next year.

Source please?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Source please?

It's Ferminal's prediction ...so him

 

[Mellow Velo]

What is your point?

Or do you really believe a team doctor is always the guy administring doping? Never heard of soigneurs? Freddy Viaene, perhaps Willy Voet? Come on, do better.

No, I don't think I'll bother since you don't appear to keep track of your own posts.

Source please?

Lazy.
http://le-grimpeur.net/blog/archives/52

39'-30"

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

It's Ferminal's prediction ...so him

The 39 flat off course smartypants

lol

No, I don't think I'll bother since you don't appear to keep track of your own posts.

Much better, bye bye fanboy.

 

[badboygolf16v]

The fear of speaking out and omerta is still inherent within the sport and it certainly is not helped by the violent nature of the fans who are constantly accusing their riders of doping. It intimidates the riders and makes them reluctant to speak out.

Not saying that fans should not be cynical towards the sport after all they have been through, just it leaves the sport in a prickly position.

None of cycling's current predicament is is the skeptical fans' fault. None of it.

They are blameless for the mess the teams, the riders and the UCI have created.

 

[simo1733]

Boogerd underminding Leinders cred as the doping mastermind of Sky's Annus Mirabilis.
How will he get a job as a prepatore now?

 

[Ferminal]

The 39 flat off course smartypants

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Landis +25"

 

[veganrob]

None of cycling's current predicament is is the skeptical fans' fault. None of it.

They are blameless for the mess the teams, the riders and the UCI have created.

Well said.

 

[The Hitch]

Well said.

Amen.

10 c

 

[Froome19]

None of cycling's current predicament is is the skeptical fans' fault. None of it.

They are blameless for the mess the teams, the riders and the UCI have created.

True and I Implied as much.

But in the future it could become more and more of a problem if cycling is cleaner and the fans do not believe it.

 

[MatParker117]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boogerd-doesnt-want-to-be-a-scapegoat-in-rabobanks-doping

“I rode for that team for 15 years and I know him. It just can't be true. I do not believe it and the people who know him know that it is certainly 100 percent not true.”

 

[Benotti69]

True and I Implied as much.

But in the future it could become more and more of a problem if cycling is cleaner and the fans do not believe it.

It wont be a problem if the sport is transparent, treats dopers properly with serious bans and the omerta ends.

When we hear the majority of riders condemning dopers, demanding better testing and taking a harder stance on doping then fans can start to trust their eyes.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boogerd-doesnt-want-to-be-a-scapegoat-in-rabobanks-doping

Boogerd on a % of epo supplies

 

[King Of The Wolds]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boogerd-doesnt-want-to-be-a-scapegoat-in-rabobanks-doping

“I rode for that team for 15 years and I know him. It just can't be true. I do not believe it and the people who know him know that it is certainly 100 percent not true.”

Levi's supposed 'revelation' set tongues wagging yesterday. So what do people have to say about this 'revelation'?

I'm expecting an official comment from Bradley Wiggins with reasons as to why Sky sacked a seemingly innocent man.