Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

The Slovenians might be in trouble too.

Important for the advance warnings. Don't want to make it a surprise like with CERA.

 

[ferryman]

The Slovenians might be in trouble too.

I've obviously not been keeping up Can you expand on this?

 

[will10]

I've obviously not been keeping up Can you expand on this?

I'm assuming he means Jani...who's always been ungodly thin. Yeah, I don't really follow either.

 

[Pentacycle]

Sky have a major problem

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/287975045500895232

UCI will never allow retests of Sky's 2012 samples, it would be a critical hit to cycling and Mcquaid.

 

[Mellow Velo]

So, instead of an "new AICAR test" thread, the subject is allowed to run free in the Sky thread?
This implies no other teams involved.

 

[MatParker117]

I'm trying to sort out why Sky is getting all the special heat.

I get the heat itself. If there are 100 forms of undetectable EPO out there, it's kind of amazing that Sky is dominating in that environment.

But why the special heat? What is Sky doing that everybody else isn't it doing? Aren't they just employing 'marginal gains' effectively in a cheating-saturated environment?

I personally think it's partially down to the tactics of Sean Yates (a former Discovery Channel DS). Plus the fact that this was the first tour since 97 that a team had two serious contenders for Yellow and Green (Liquigas as well). There's been some PR Gaffes, self-inflicted wounds and other things as well.

Hell imagine the heat if Cavendish hadn't crashed on Stage 4 and Froome not waited for Wiggins on Stage 17. Sky could easily of won nine stages of the tour (Five for Cavendish, Two for Froome and Two for Wiggins).

 

[thehog]

I personally think it's partially down to the tactics of Sean Yates (a former Discovery Channel DS). Plus the fact that this was the first tour since 97 that a team had two serious contenders for Yellow and Green (Liquigas as well). There's been some PR Gaffes, self-inflicted wounds and other things as well.

Hell imagine the heat if Cavendish hadn't crashed on Stage 4 and Froome not waited for Wiggins on Stage 17. Sky could easily of won nine stages of the tour (Five for Cavendish, Two for Froome and Two for Wiggins).

Imagine. Just imagine.

 

[taiwan]

I'm trying to sort out why Sky is getting all the special heat.

I get the heat itself. If there are 100 forms of undetectable EPO out there, it's kind of amazing that Sky is dominating in that environment.

But why the special heat? What is Sky doing that everybody else isn't it doing? Aren't they just employing 'marginal gains' effectively in a cheating-saturated environment?

Personally I think it's political. When picking my CQ game team I was reminded that (without proving it) many of the top guys underperformed last year. I think something went down where a lot of people were scared off their usual preperations, and Sky were the beneficiaries. Maybe something to do with the bio-passport, which at the end of the day is a subjective measure of legitimacy. That alone does not explain Sky's dominance so yes I still think they were enhanced. Given a green light within limits.

"" on the the post was accidental, btw.

edit 2: I was talking about the team's special advantage, btw, not the special srutiny they receive here. Misunderstood.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Personally I think it's political. When picking my CQ game team I was reminded that (without proving it) many of the top guys underperformed last year. I think something went down where a lot of people were scared off their usual preperations, and Sky were the beneficiaries. Maybe something to do with the bio-passport. That alone does not explain Sky's dominance so yes I still think they were enhanced. Given a green light within limits.

Just how many teams met with ASO in January?

 

[The Hitch]

But why the special heat? What is Sky doing that everybody else isn't it doing? ?

Taking credit for winning clean.

 

[Benotti69]

So, instead of an "new AICAR test" thread, the subject is allowed to run free in the Sky thread?
This implies no other teams involved.

No other teams have such a big thread as it is taken for granted they dope.

Most dont bother with the lies or PR BS.

When a team makes grandiose statements about doing it clean then having such a season (2012) in a sport where doping is the norm and testing is a joke why do you keep proclaiming shock that Sky are getting the biggest share of cycnicism, criticism, accussations and dimissals of their so callled transparency as a clean team?

Why dont you start a thread on other teams? Katusha, OPQS, Astana, Radiosmack, Lotto, BMC, Lampre, Liquigas, Androni and all the others that dont look anything like clean teams!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Benotti69]

I personally think it's partially down to the tactics of Sean Yates (a former Discovery Channel DS). Plus the fact that this was the first tour since 97 that a team had two serious contenders for Yellow and Green (Liquigas as well). There's been some PR Gaffes, self-inflicted wounds and other things as well.

Hell imagine the heat if Cavendish hadn't crashed on Stage 4 and Froome not waited for Wiggins on Stage 17. Sky could easily of won nine stages of the tour (Five for Cavendish, Two for Froome and Two for Wiggins).

Not the performance of a clean team, hence the length of this thread.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Not the performance of a clean team, hence the length of this thread.

So how many stages is a clean team allowed to win. So I know for next time?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Not the performance of a clean team, hence the length of this thread.

I also like the fact that you arguing they are not a clean team on part based on the stages they never actually won.

 

[Benotti69]

So how many stages is a clean team allowed to win. So I know for next time?

Better ask UCI and the ASO how many they allocate.

But I guess 1 or 2. No point in doping if you are not going to win lots.

Bet the Schlecks are asking Kim Andersen this very question

To dominate the biggest doping event of the year and claim you aint doping is laughable.

by the way Pedro, I have come into some money from a Nigerian friend, I need your help to bring this to Europe pleae send me all the necessary details...

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Edited ......

 

[zalacain]

Sky is probably feeling the heat because Eric Boyer made it very clear that ex Cofidis riders had suddenly lost a lot of weight and at the same time improved their power output. That is something only AICAR appears to do. The phrases from another contributor include the new "anorexic looking" marvels in the TdF.

 

[Franklin]

Taking credit for winning clean.

... while hiring a known doping doctor (+the miscelanuous staff that should never have gotten past a smell test).

 

[Franklin]

It's pretty obvious though that Trott isn't doping, she seems far too lovely to be involved in that.

Indeed, what can tarnish such a lovely fine creature known as a woman? They have an inner nobility which can be measured by their pristine looks and joyful voice.

 

[ebandit]

good

Indeed, what can tarnish such a lovely fine creature known as a woman? They have an inner nobility which can be measured by their pristine looks and joyful voice.

good thing that such a fine creature did not sign for team sky............

next they would be looking like / sounding like our brad

 

[Benotti69]

Will the AFLD retest Wiggins samples for AICAR? Can they do it? Does it require the cooperation of the UCI?

 

[Mellow Velo]

No other teams have such a big thread as it is taken for granted they dope.

Most dont bother with the lies or PR BS.

When a team makes grandiose statements about doing it clean then having such a season (2012) in a sport where doping is the norm and testing is a joke why do you keep proclaiming shock that Sky are getting the biggest share of cycnicism, criticism, accussations and dimissals of their so callled transparency as a clean team?

Why dont you start a thread on other teams? Katusha, OPQS, Astana, Radiosmack, Lotto, BMC, Lampre, Liquigas, Androni and all the others that dont look anything like clean teams!!!!!!!!!!

Not the point.
If somebody brings up say a non-Sky rider in the Sky thread, as an example, or rebuttal, they are promptly told to take it to the relevant rider's thread.

AICAR is specifically relevant to Sky, how?
Since we are talking weight loss drug and re-testing, why are we not talking Alberto Contador, given his clen positive was most probably related to weight loss?
Numero uno for re-testing, imo.

I know, I know: wrong thread, take it to the AC thread, so that Sky can continue to take all the flak for the sport's dirty deeds.

 

[thehog]

Will the AFLD retest Wiggins samples for AICAR? Can they do it? Does it require the cooperation of the UCI?

There was something obviously up with Sky and the way they looked at the Tour. AICAR is an obvious conclusion. Froome looked sickly in the face but was still able to generate power in the ITT’s like never before. Wiggins was 68kg and was producing Ferrari’s magic number. Be interesting to see what the clearance times are on the new test to see if Sky stop using it.

It’s a dangerous drug. Not something I’d want to be playing around with. Worse than EPO in terms of side effects.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Who needs AICAR to lose weight when the Hog can do it for you in a single post?

 

[dolophonic]

Not the point.
If somebody brings up say a non-Sky rider in the Sky thread, as an example, or rebuttal, they are promptly told to take it to the relevant rider's thread.

AICAR is specifically relevant to Sky, how?
Since we are talking weight loss drug and re-testing, why are we not talking Alberto Contador, given his clen positive was most probably related to weight loss?
Numero uno for re-testing, imo.

I know, I know: wrong thread, take it to the AC thread, so that Sky can continue to take all the flak for the sport's dirty deeds.

Might want to actually take a look at the riders.. Conta does not look like a stick.. he looks as "normal" as a pro cyclist would look.. Froome and Wiggo specifically look emaciated... yet produce seemingly huge wattages...its all been said in the thread....to try and deflect the conversation to other riders you might want to have better examples. Shlecklette looked like he had manorexia yet did not have the same output as previously mentioned Sky riders..