Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Freddythefrog]

Here are Team Sky's audited expenses for 2011:

There is nothing there that suggests team wide doping.

I can also announce that I did not find anything connecting Team Sky to doping at my local primary school even though I looked darned hard.

Can you get me a job with your accounting firm now they have finished Enron's books.

 

[Avoriaz]

I hope the auditor questioned the PR and Marketing costs in 2011

 

[Freddythefrog]

I hope the auditor questioned the PR and Marketing costs in 2011

Best value for money on the page !

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I do appreciate it.
I was just rebutting Wallace and Gromit's suggestion that 'no story' equals 'no doping'.
You're correct that everything else is mere speculation.

You've got me the wrong way round: No doping means there's no story, not necessarily the other way round. (This is basic logic, not a statement of fact: IF then is no doping THEN then is no story.)

One can't infer anything in isolation from the fact there is no story (from Wendy) other than that there is either nothing to tell or those in the know don't want to tell it, which I'm sure we can all agree is both stating the bl**ding obvious and not particularly helpful!

 

[sniper]

I hope the auditor questioned the PR and Marketing costs in 2011

good spot.
those costs quadruppled in one year.

You've got me the wrong way round: No doping means there's no story, not necessarily the other way round. (This is basic logic, not a statement of fact: IF then is no doping THEN then is no story.)

One can't infer anything in isolation from the fact there is no story (from Wendy) other than that there is either nothing to tell or those in the know don't want to tell it, which I'm sure we can all agree is both stating the bl**ding obvious and not particularly helpful!

true, agreed.

 

[sniper]

You've got me the wrong way round: No doping means there's no story, not necessarily the other way round. (This is basic logic, not a statement of fact: IF then is no doping THEN then is no story.)

One can't infer anything in isolation from the fact there is no story (from Wendy) other than that there is either nothing to tell or those in the know don't want to tell it, which I'm sure we can all agree is both stating the bl**ding obvious and not particularly helpful!

true. agreed.

 

[Benotti69]

Have team's caught doping ever published there accounts?

Of course they listed it under sports science and medical of course

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Here are Team Sky's audited expenses for 2011:

There is nothing there that suggests team wide doping.

£1.4 million on "Bike & Performance Equipment" seems quite high for a team with a large bike sponsor.

 

[Benotti69]

£1.4 million on "Bike & Performance Equipment" seems quite high for a team with a large bike sponsor.

Components, saddles, wheels etc all sponsored too!

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well you haters can scoff all you want, MatParker has discovered a huge piece of information here. How can Sky possibly be doping their riders when they don't even have any money in their budget for it?
I'd say this discussion is over!

 

[pmcg76]

Remember Festina, the drugs fund was composed of race winning's and portions of rider salaries. There was never any official doping fund but it was very real and well funded.

 

[zalacain]

£1.4 million on "Bike & Performance Equipment" seems quite high for a team with a large bike sponsor.

and half a million for depreciation...

 

[maltiv]

£1.4 million on "Bike & Performance Equipment" seems quite high for a team with a large bike sponsor.

If you're suggesting that's where they hide the doping costs then they must've decreased the doping substantially from 2010 to 2011

 

[maltiv]

and half a million for depreciation...

There's no way anyone would hide operating costs (e.g. doping products) in the depreciation account, that'd be ridiculously easy to spot. Of course the depreciation is substantial with their number of cars and buses which depreciate in value over time.

 

[MatParker117]

and half a million for depreciation...

Cars
Buses
Bikes & Components
Riders

All of the above lose value as they get older.

 

[ebandit]

hogwash

hoggie would have spotted straight up just where expenditure for doping

was hidden

 

[MartinGT]

Have team's caught doping ever published there accounts?

Alright Dave, how is the knighthood treating you?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Anger or a desire for revenge? Most murders are solved, as victims and murderers are usually well known to each other or related. Thus, in advance of committing murder, a rational person knows the chances of being caught are very high. Yet people still commit the crime. People do not always act rationally!

Even with all that in mind... it took Floyd Landis just shy of four years to come clean. Four years! And on the scale of disappointments, Houvenaghel wouldn't come close. Houvenaghel worked hard for a spot at the Olympics, didn't get picked, got angry. Landis popped positive, lost a protracted court case, served out a ban and was made into a living, breathing scapegoat, an example to the Armstrong generation. And he tried to come back but was thwarted at every turn. Unwanted in any major team, shunned and discarded like a piece of used trash by the guy he had that information about for a couple of years, keeping his mouth shut.

And it still took him years to decide 'to hell with this, I'm gonna scorch the earth'. And another two years on top of that for it all to swing around in his favour to the point where he's not some jealous, bitter hater but seen as the block that brought the whole tower crashing down.

If Houvenaghel does have a story to tell, we shouldn't be surprised that she's not just started blurting stuff out after any setback. Besides, in the grand scheme of the Olympic summer in Britain, amongst the British press I'm not sure anybody would want to listen to her story anyway. Especially as it would be against the UK athletes, sorry, "Team GB" (ugh), not Team Sky, so wouldn't benefit from the anti-Murdoch feeling amongst other sections of the press.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Even with all that in mind...

That's why when I raised the issue of Wendy H not having blown the whistle, it was just one of the reasons I put forward (and even then, clearly conditionally in the form "I wonder if...") as arguments in favour of the GB ladies being clean. (Their age and proximity to families were the main ones, though.)

In reality, the time-gap from the final blow to Landis (Lance refusing to give him a place on his team in 2010 when Landis finally realised his goose was cooked) to him blowing the whistle was actually quite short if memory serves. He wasn't grappling with this issue for 4 years before deciding to dob Lance in it.

 

[Benotti69]

If you're suggesting that's where they hide the doping costs then they must've decreased the doping substantially from 2010 to 2011

Or maybe when they hired Leinders he 'fine tuned' their 'marginal gains'

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Or maybe when they hired Leinders he 'fine tuned' their 'marginal gains'

Seat adjustment comes under Sports science and medical in the accounts: £216K in 2011.

 

[The Hitch]

Alright Dave, how is the knighthood treating you?

I wake up every day, look in the mirror, pinch my chubby little cheeks and laugh - ive gotten away with it, again.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Originally Posted by MatParker117 View Post
Have team's caught doping ever published there accounts?

Alright Dave, how is the knighthood treating you?

Couldn't be Dave Brailsford. Brailsford would never include a redundant apostrophe, as it adds unnecessary weight to the sentence. Marginal gains.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

http://www.teamsky.com/profile/0,27291,17543_8342932,00.html

TEAM PSYCHIATRIST

Doctor Steve Peters is Team Sky's Psychiatrist and Head of Medicine, and forms an integral part of the senior management team.

Having become involved with British Cycling in 2001, Peters' ground-breaking approaches have helped Team GB achieve 16 Olympic gold medals to date, and his contribution has been deemed so valuable that Brailsford once described him as "the best appointment I've ever made."

Peters adopted a similar role at Team Sky when the team was launched in 2010 and his psychological techniques such as 'chimp' and 'gremlin' control are now part and parcel of every rider's psyche.

"Both of those approaches involve the riders understanding how their minds work and then learning how to control their emotions." Peters explains.

"There are two aspects of your brain that work independently of each other. One is quite emotional and irrational; the other is logical, capable of making good judgments. I call the emotional part 'the chimp'. I teach the riders techniques to manage or pre-empt what the chimp is going to do so you can stop the strike.

"As for the gremlin, that is a negative belief or behaviour which has the potential to inhibit performance. I also challenge the gremlin and remove it."

In his joint role as Head of Medicine, Peters coordinates all the medical support the squad receives on the road, as well as making sure everything continues to run smoothly at the team's headquarters in Manchester.

"We employ four doctors at Team Sky, as well as two physiotherapists and a nutritionist. A major part of my job is to make sure they're all able to function properly and do their jobs well."

There is the proof, marginal gains fellows.

 

[sniper]

TEAM PSYCHIATRIST