Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[The Hitch]

The ol' "Wiggins only focused on the road starting in 2009" excuse. That must come as a huge surprise to the road teams that had been paying him good money to race on the road for the previous seven years. 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. SEVEN years!

He was also able to fit the 2008 Giro in weeks before winning golds on the track in Beijing.

But apparently at the gts he did in 05 6 and 7 which were years from the olympics, he couldnt risk measuring his own performance up a mountain because he had an olympics to think about

 

[ferryman]

He was also able to fit the 2008 Giro in weeks before winning golds on the track in Beijing.

But apparently at the gts he did in 05 6 and 7 which were years from the olympics, he couldnt risk measuring his own performance up a mountain because he had an olympics to think about

Thank you Hitch. You put it more eloquently than I did.

I'm not going to bother to respond to Froome or MR after this. Good luck.

 

[MatParker117]

The ol' "Wiggins only focused on the road starting in 2009" excuse. That must come as a huge surprise to the road teams that had been paying him good money to race on the road for the previous seven years. 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. SEVEN years!

Guys doing both is hardly a new thing, the peloton is littered with riders who've competed on the track and road. Granted few have been as successful as Sir Bradley but still.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Guys doing both is hardly a new thing, the peloton is littered with riders who've competed on the track and road. Granted few have been as successful as Sir Bradley but still.

Few have been as successful on the road after being so remarkably woeful on the road, but still.

 

[BroDeal]

Guys doing both is hardly a new thing, the peloton is littered with riders who've competed on the track and road. Granted few have been as successful as Sir Bradley but still.

Did those guys pick up a paycheck for seven years while not trying? That's what the Skrybabies would have us believe.

 

[Ferminal]

10% reduction in power outputs?

 

[Ferminal]

He was also able to fit the 2008 Giro in weeks before winning golds on the track in Beijing.

But apparently at the gts he did in 05 6 and 7 which were years from the olympics, he couldnt risk measuring his own performance up a mountain because he had an olympics to think about

Look at McGee 2004.

 

[thehog]

10% reduction in power outputs?

Yes, you heard it first! 10%!

 

[the sceptic]

10% reduction in power outputs?

Is that why Wiggo is able to time trial like Lance? im confused

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

A 4km time trial is short enough that there will be a large anaerobic component. The anaerobic contribution should be greater than 30%. So now he can generate the same power purely aerobically. That is a huge improvement.

Wiggo's IP power output was 560 watts I think. He's not producing anything like this on the road when riding tempo/steady state (ie no significant anaerobic component.) I think the temp/steady state power is around 400 watts (*), consistent with circa 30% (*) of the IP power being generated anaerobically. Once onto final climbs or other situations where tactics dictate more power is required, there will be an anaerobic contribution as well.

(*) These are estimates, obviously, but the general conclusion holds - steady state ie pure aerobic power output by Wiggo is significantly lower than his IP power output, which is perhaps the least surprising conclusion of the day so far. Anyone can test this for themselves - they will ride flat out for 4 minutes a lot faster than they can ride steady state!

 

[thehog]

Is that why Wiggo is able to time trial like Lance? im confused

Froome-dawgs power is down by 10%. But he worked out that if he doesn't zig zag up hills when chasing a midfield hack like Simon Gerrans he can climb like Contador.

 

[del1962]

It's easy.

2. Wiggin's 2009 Tour performance was the result of his first year dedicated entirely to the road following his decision to leave the track after the 2008 Olympics.

Which were in August 2008 and it has been well documented that he went on the bender of benders afterwards for months. I'm sure it will be out there somewhere exactly when he buckled down for the 2009 season.

But given the facts he had only ever been a 120-130 finisher in any of the GTs he did previously and couldn't climb for toffee, that he had token road miles in his legs in 2008, was totally focussed on track in 2008, what he did in those, let's be generous, 8 months after the Olympics is simply beyond belief. But I am sure you are going to explain differently. Please take your time and make it easy for me to understand.

Bearing in mind all your other points of proof have already been ripped.

Wasn't that after 2004 olympics?

 

[Ferminal]

Froome-dawgs power is down by 10%. But he worked out that if he doesn't zig zag up hills when chasing a midfield hack like Simon Gerrans he can climb like Contador.

Was Froome sick already in the 2009 Giro?

 

[sittingbison]

2. Wiggin's 2009 Tour performance was the result of his first year dedicated entirely to the road following his decision to leave the track after the 2008 Olympics Which were in August 2008 and it has been well documented that he went on the bender of benders afterwards for months. I'm sure it will be out there somewhere exactly when he buckled down for the 2009 season.

Wasn't that after 2004 olympics?

This has been discussed at around the 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000, 10000, 11000 and 12000 post mark. And in the Cadence thread, and the Olympics thread.

Sir Wiggo has also let himself go after the 2012 Olympics, hes up around the 82kg mark again as we speak, looking very portly over in Oman. He now faces a major problem because he has to lose the beer belly before the Giro in May, not the Tour in July.

But never fear, Sir Wiggo has well a documented history or shedding 12kg but increasing power (also at around the post count previously mentioned). krebs cycle says it can be done easily and I believe him, so my money is on Sir Wiggo for the Giro.

 

[del1962]

This has been discussed at around the 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000, 10000, 11000 and 12000 post mark. And in the Cadence thread, and the Olympics thread.

Sir Wiggo has also let himself go after the 2012 Olympics, hes up around the 82kg mark again as we speak, looking very portly over in Oman. He now faces a major problem because he has to lose the beer belly before the Giro in May, not the Tour in July.

But never fear, Sir Wiggo has well a documented history or shedding 12kg but increasing power (also at around the post count previously mentioned). krebs cycle says it can be done easily and I believe him, so my money is on Sir Wiggo for the Giro.

I might be mistaken so perhaps someone could provide link to his 2008 bender, I have read of his 2004 bender?

 

[SundayRider]

Wiggins has a bender after every season...

 

[peloton]

I might be mistaken so perhaps someone could provide link to his 2008 bender, I have read of his 2004 bender?

His own words, "getting blind drunk"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...Cavendish-since-Beijing-Olympics-Cycling.html

 

[del1962]

His own words, "getting blind drunk"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...Cavendish-since-Beijing-Olympics-Cycling.html

I was talking about the months long bender, which I am sure was after 2004.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Not to mention the almost 1-2 at the vuelta in 2011.
Would have been really interesting to see what BW would have done at the Tour in 2011.

Personally I have little doubt he would have been on the podium but for that crash

 

[Catwhoorg]

The ol' "Wiggins only focused on the road starting in 2009" excuse. That must come as a huge surprise to the road teams that had been paying him good money to race on the road for the previous seven years. 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. SEVEN years!

Or paying him primarily as a domestique, who could challenge for spots in time trials (especially prologues).

He was being paid for a job, and did that job. That job was not focusing on GT placement.

 

[thehog]

Was Froome sick already in the 2009 Giro?

He gets sick between Grand Tour's.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Or paying him primarily as a domestique, who could challenge for spots in time trials (especially prologues).

He was being paid for a job, and did that job. That job was not focusing on GT placement.

So, Marc Madiot, Roger Legeay, Eric Boyer, Bob Stapleton, Valerio Piva and their subsequent medical staffs are all a bunch of hacks who never tested the Bradster properly? He would have had to had the same aerobic attributes back then but somehow it never emerged on the tests?

What a bunch of amateurs.

 

[martinvickers]

I didnt say inconsistency - we said 'misunderstanding'.

Masterracer wrote -" Wiggins' performance at the 2012 Tour is consistent with his performances going back to 2004 according to a critical power plot".

Coggan had done some figures on selected events. It was not based on an entire Tour.

How is this not a distinction without a difference?

 

[blackcat]

Did those guys pick up a paycheck for seven years while not trying? That's what the Skrybabies would have us believe.

when he could have picked up a paycheck of 2mill GBP per.

have us believe Wiggo forgo'ed a paypacket from 100k euro plus a bag of crisps?

come on.

 

[blackcat]

Is that why Wiggo is able to time trial like Lance? im confused

the Giro 9th? when he got the time penalty that deprived him of 8th