Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Catwhoorg]

and wiggins beat him in the world champs last year

And at the 2011 Vuelta ITT (though by only 5 secs there).

Both Sky guys beating Fabian yesterday wasn't a surprise, the margin was a little more than I would have expected, even with his rough year to date.

 

[Mr Pumpy]

Wiggins didn't differentiate he accused people on forums/twitter of 'bone idleness' along with other insults and yet here you are.

Nah..... he's talking about you, as you know very well.

( although for the record, his description seemed to also fit me rather too well for my liking )

 

[Falken]

Please, u cant be serious about the bold part.

It was an exaggeration, I agree. Still it was a was a fairly tough stage, 7 shorter climbs, some quiet steep. My point stand however, you don't know if Porte and Rogers decided to drop to save energy. Maybe they were just too tired to follow, is that so impossible to believe?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Cool it with the personal stuff. You all may have noticed that there are a lot of suspensions being handed out these days....

Susan

 

[Dr.Sahl]

Utter libellous outrageous rubbish from someone who knows nothing about cycling. I really hate people like you. I believe in truth and justice . There is no truth in what you suggest and there is no justice in how people like you hang people or shoot them in the back without a trial and without evidence. I tell you what: I have a collection of 500 cycling books and 24 high end bikes. I promise you here in public: You (or any of you bigots) prove to me that what you are saying is correct and you can have everything I have here to do with cycling including the bikes. I promise that to you now here in Public. And for those of you rude enough to suggest I may be someone else: I am Ian Franklin, I am the only coach at Chiang Mai velodrome, I am a member of the A5 Rangers Cycling Club in the UK. I was a journalist on Cycling Weekly in the 1960s. Do you want to know anything else?
Oh yes! I'm a cyclist through and through, not just a part time hobbyist like some of you know-alls. I've been in this sport since my first Cycling Club, the Folkestone and District in the early 1960s and I have been in my current club for more than 20 years.
I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke

I have a friend that knowns Froome, he said that Froome doped long ago... its not like it unknown.. Is that enough to shoot him now ?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Cool it with the personal stuff. You all may have noticed that there are a lot of suspensions being handed out these days....

Susan

He comes all knowing and talking down on us so we ask him back some question.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

And at the 2011 Vuelta ITT (though by only 5 secs there).

Both Sky guys beating Fabian yesterday wasn't a surprise, the margin was a little more than I would have expected, even with his rough year to date.

On a good day, on the right course Wiggins can occassionally beat Cancellara. This margin however was quite ludacrous, or don't you think so?

Froome is the biggest problem imo. Guys like him are just too good to be true. I stopped believing in ferrytailes a long time ago, time to do the same. Or are we just haters, cynics?

It was an exaggeration, I agree. Still it was a was a fairly tough stage, 7 shorter climbs, some quiet steep. My point stand however, you don't know if Porte and Rogers decided to drop to save energy. Maybe they were just too tired to follow, is that so impossible to believe?

It isn't impossible, we could both be right. Given the fact Vanendert had to let the frontrunners go the stage before because of Porte's pace I would prefer my story

 

[ruamruam]

He comes all knowing and talking down on us so we ask him back some question.

He has been banned. Should quieten down for a while

 

[Franklin]

maybe those who think we are to critical should read how Bradley himself reacted in 2007. Here's a choice quote.

CREDITS TO ROBERT21 http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=9295&page=18

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And that was directly related to the Rasmussen affair... hmmmm... which doctor was involved again?

 

[taiwan]

As someone unconnected to the sport apart from as a spectator, I'm saddened by the deep offence felt by someone who has spent much of their life in cycling. However, there are posts in this thread from others from the inside who claim to have personally witnessed staff possibly of this specific team administering PEDs, who welcome the open discussion here. There should be somewhere appropriate to discuss these matters, and it's been established for a while that this is it.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Rui Costa is the third best GC rider on Movistar at best. If he was the third best GC rider on Sky I would wager his performance this week would be commented on by many on this thread, not least given his previous suspension (1 year reduced to 5 months on appeal) for taking a proscribed substance. He currently lies 11th overall and came within seconds in the ITT to the likes of Nibali, Menchov, Tony Martin and wasn’t far off Evans. All this on his TdF debut.

Minor point, Rui rode the TDF in 2011 and indeed won on Stage 8 (Super-Besse)

I like a lot Rui as a rider, good work ethic and attacking mentality.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Minor point, Rui rode the TDF in 2011 and indeed won on Stage 8 (Super-Besse)

I like a lot Rui as a rider, good work ethic and attacking mentality.

I really don't like the guy but when someone wins the Tour de Suisse one can't be surprised by his Tour performance so far I would guess.

Funny to see how the top ten op Suisse is underperforming by the way. But that it's another thread/story.

 

[Catwhoorg]

On a good day, on the right course Wiggins can occassionally beat Cancellara. This margin however was quite ludacrous, or don't you think so?

Froome is the biggest problem imo. Guys like him are just too good to be true. I stopped believing in ferrytailes a long time ago, time to do the same. Or are we just haters, cynics?

It isn't impossible, we could both be right. Given the fact Vanendert had to let the frontrunners go the stage before because of Porte's pace I would prefer my story

I do think the margin was a little bigger than I would have expected to Fabian, but the margin to the other GC guys wasn't crazy.

Froome did beat Fabian (obviously) in 2011 by about 30secs on a similar length (actually slightly longer) GT ITT course a week into the event.
Not sure about the differences in technicalities between the two.

I would have loved to have seen an uninjured and fully fit Tony yesterday as another benchmark, alas it has not been his year.

 

[cineteq]

Why hire Geert Leinders?
Really, why Geert Leinders?
I mean, you're a team concerned about their PR, why Geert Leinders?
Why not a regular doctor?
Why Geert Leinders?
What does Geert Leinders give Sky that another doctor could not?
Geert Leinders, really?

@Vaughters JV you fire Matt White for a Dr. Association incident. Yet @bradwiggins still has Geert Leinders as team doc. ??
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/statuses/222044650683371521

 

[issoisso]

Minor point, Rui rode the TDF in 2011 and indeed won on Stage 8 (Super-Besse)

I like a lot Rui as a rider, good work ethic and attacking mentality.

And he rode the Tour two years before that, too.
First attempt, rode two weeks before a crashed knocked him for 10 minutes with a concussion, at which point he rode to the stage finish and abandoned.
Second attempt two years later, won a mountain stage
Third attempt, is sitting 11th after two GC stages with a ton of top guys missing or injured.

OH MY GOD YOU GUYS THIS TOTALLY OVERSHADOWS SKY'S NOBODIES TO DOMINATORS STORY

Fergoose won't ever let something as insignificant as facts get in the way of his hilariously misguided arguments

 

[lemoogle]

Really? I'm going to have to look up that GB track team thing. I guess that would make sense, yes. Thanks for alerting me!

Yeah they won pretty much every available medal uncontested, then they lost most of the contests each year after at the world championships. Although I would say that Chris Hoy is still incredible now (although he can be beaten) , just that in 2008 the whole british track team was untouchable.

 

[issoisso]

Sky defenders are so like Armstrong defenders of the last ten years. History repeats itself as farce.

You know how they reboot move franchises with stupid new premises? "It's the Muppets....IN SPACE!....It's die hard.....IN AN AIRPORT!"
It's the US Postal franchise being rebooted in england with Bradley Wiggins playing Lance Armstrong, and we know the story so well we can recognize every single line the fans excuse themselves with.

If I didn't buy those lies when they were fresh, why did they think I would buy them ten years later "on DVD" you muppets?

 

[Anonymous]

You know how they reboot move franchises with stupid new premises? "It's the Muppets....IN SPACE!....It's die hard.....IN AN AIRPORT!"
It's the US Postal franchise being rebooted in england with Bradley Wiggins playing Lance Armstrong, and we know the story so well we can recognize every single line the fans excuse themselves with.

If I didn't buy those lies when they were fresh, why did they think I would buy them ten years later "on DVD" you muppets?

Big difference and big mistake for Wigans. He never had a life threatening illness and has not wrapped himself with some charity/foundation.

He didn't follow the established blueprint.

 

[Publicus]

I do think the margin was a little bigger than I would have expected to Fabian, but the margin to the other GC guys wasn't crazy.

Froome did beat Fabian (obviously) in 2011 by about 30secs on a similar length (actually slightly longer) GT ITT course a week into the event.
Not sure about the differences in technicalities between the two.

I would have loved to have seen an uninjured and fully fit Tony yesterday as another benchmark, alas it has not been his year.

Cancellara had ridden the Tour de France that year as well. So fatigue may have played a factor as well. And I definitely agree regarding Martin.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

@Vaughters JV you fire Matt White for a Dr. Association incident. Yet @bradwiggins still has Geert Leinders as team doc. ??
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/statuses/222044650683371521

So JV is still a part of the omerta seen his '@HoldenFlabcock @digger_forum @bradwiggins No idea who Geert is. Sorry. Anyhow, you guys win. Good night.'

Same old stuff.

Didn't Wiggins loose his 12 kilos under JV?

I do think the margin was a little bigger than I would have expected to Fabian, but the margin to the other GC guys wasn't crazy.

Froome did beat Fabian (obviously) in 2011 by about 30secs on a similar length (actually slightly longer) GT ITT course a week into the event.
Not sure about the differences in technicalities between the two.

I would have loved to have seen an uninjured and fully fit Tony yesterday as another benchmark, alas it has not been his year.

End of the season for Cancellara who didn't crash out in spring like this year. And again, Wiggins; possible. Froome? No way.

I think Cancellara is on 90% now, a Cancelarra on 90% doesn't get beaten by a nobody like Froome. Nuff said.

 

[lemoogle]

So either we have people that like to be wrong :

1 - Defend blatant doper
2 - Repeat step 1 for some time
3 - Get proven wrong ( sometimes 14 years later ).
4 - Repeat step 1 for another rider.
etc

or we only have new people every time to defend new riders.

Which one is it?

 

[JRTinMA]

Big difference and big mistake for Wigans. He never had a life threatening illness and has not wrapped himself with some charity/foundation.

He didn't follow the established blueprint.

He is following the blueprint to the letter.

http://www.bradleywigginsfoundation.org/site/index.php

 

[JRTinMA]

So JV is still a part of the omerta seen his '@HoldenFlabcock @digger_forum @bradwiggins No idea who Geert is. Sorry. Anyhow, you guys win. Good night.'

Same old stuff.

So if JV doesn't want to argue with mindless idiots on twitter he's practicing omertà? The fact that he even responds to those tools should be evidence enough he is not practicing omertà.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Sky would never dope riders. They are too sportsmanlike.

http://www.marca.com/tv/?v=Nwwc7c9wGGk

 

[Caruut]

So if JV doesn't want to argue with mindless idiots on twitter he's practicing omertà? The fact that he even responds to those tools should be evidence enough he is not practicing omertà.

Does he genuinely have no idea who Geert Leinders is, though? If he didn't, a simple Google search would illuminate all manner of things. I understand why JV might want to avoid engaging on that issue, but that is certainly what he is doing.