Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

72º 26 NORDHAUG, Lars Petter NOR BLA a 8:59
77º 94 ROGERS, Michael AUS TST a 9:22

Getting pretty close to their shape at Sky. Good for them!

They need to wash their hands and warm down. Got to be 50w right there.

I wonder if Porte can look Rogers in the eye on the start line?

 

[WinterRider]

Its nice to see that Contadors best domestiques have nothing on Sky B. If the 2012 tour was boring and predictable, imagine how much worse its gonna be this year.

But we'll have Froome attacking his own domestiques on the penultimate climbs when they aren't going fast enough. Should be good fun.

 

[the sceptic]

They need to wash their hands and warm down. Got to be 50w right there.

I wonder if Porte can look Rogers in the eye on the start line?

Rogers forgot to bring his pillow after he left Sky, so now he is just sleeping on different pillows. You cant do stuff like that if you want to ride at 5.9w/kg

 

[BYOP88]

72º 26 NORDHAUG, Lars Petter NOR BLA a 8:59
77º 94 ROGERS, Michael AUS TST a 9:22

Getting pretty close to their shape at Sky. Good for them!

Any day now and 'boom' the Skybots wont know what's hit them!

 

[mattghg]

the performance improvements were/are revolutionary not adaptive.

This is really the crux of your argument. I don't have the wherewithal to either agree with it or contest it. I just note that other people have been round and round on these fora debating about whether or not this is really the case.

Are your relatively new to the sport?

2008 (so yes, I guess).

That would explain maintaining this position. It's okay. We'll get confirmation of the doping program at some point in the future.

Again, forgive me if I don't simply take your word/expert opinion for it.

 

[el chava]

Sky have 2-3 coaches on their team that they prefer riders to use. But it's not one coach for each rider if that's what you mean.

Yeah, that was what they said. It would make sense with their budget, though.

Still to me it seems a lot of seemingly highly professional teams use slightly dubious methods of training (and I do not mean doping). Jakob Fuglsang told recently in an interview that he was mostly training by himself at Astana, which seem totally ancient 80's style to me. And hey, what about this:

http://www.atwistedspoke.com/pozzato-arrives-in-australia-still-no-sex/

 

[DirtyWorks]

2008 (so yes, I guess).

Don't take my word. I'm wrong sometimes.

I doubt watching from the cheap seats for over 20 years makes me an "expert" at anything. The distance makes the lies more apparent. After 20+ years the sport cycles through the doping scandals with startling regularity.

Identifying the cheating has become it's own kind of dark hobby though.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Rogers forgot to bring his pillow after he left Sky, so now he is just sleeping on different pillows. You cant do stuff like that if you want to ride at 5.9w/kg

How does it work with pillows I've not tried that!

 

[mattghg]

Identifying the cheating has become it's own kind of dark hobby though.

For you and for many, it seems. Hence the popularity of the Clinic!

 

[horsinabout]

Don't take my word. I'm wrong sometimes.

Identifying the cheating has become it's own kind of dark hobby though.

A bit like the clinic then?

A little dark matters...

 

[the sceptic]

How does it work with pillows I've not tried that!

the cyling philosopher speaks.

"There's fitness and conditioning, of course, but there are other things that might seem on the periphery, like sleeping in the right position, having the same pillow when you are away and training in different places.

"Do you really know how to clean your hands? Without leaving the bits between your fingers?

"If you do things like that properly, you will get ill a little bit less.

"They're tiny things but if you clump them together it makes a big difference."

 

[hiero2]

Yes.

It appears to spike up when the testers arrive in Teneriife. But then subsides when they leave.

@thehog; I have learned to automatically assume the EVERYTHING you write is sarcastic. Therefore, I take nothing you write as serious. Oh, occasionally, I take you seriously, but still with a grain of salt. However, not everyone else has made this adaptation. So, I would suggest you add a smirk smiley to your sig - or just to those posts where you are using sarcasm. Just a friendly suggestion - it might help cut down the number of complaints we get about your posts.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Sir Dave gets the Fran makeover

After Sir Dave getting quite a pasting for making it look like he had lost the plot the other week http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/mar/18/dave-brailsford-cyclists-doping-spread-crack-cocaine, suitable time has elapsed for Fran to pick up the phone to her favourite newspaper and bring us .........

Sir Dave Brailsford and the story behind his amazing ride from Bangor to Buck House

Yes - just like it sounds ".......I was two – and somehow I always felt I didn’t quite fit in. So I always thought I must try harder than the others to be accepted, to be successful........."

Blimey I can't even remember whether I knew what marmite was at 2, let alone whether I "liked" or "loathed" it ! And as to contemplating whether I "fitted in", got to say I was behind the marginal gain curve there. But anyway, I digress from the full unexpurgated, brought to us by the pen of Fran...... please share the link.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...s-amazing-ride-from-Bangor-to-Buck-House.html

 

[Cycle Chic]

Complaint

@thehog; I have learned to automatically assume the EVERYTHING you write is sarcastic. Therefore, I take nothing you write as serious. Oh, occasionally, I take you seriously, but still with a grain of salt. However, not everyone else has made this adaptation. So, I would suggest you add a smirk smiley to your sig - or just to those posts where you are using sarcasm. Just a friendly suggestion - it might help cut down the number of complaints we get about your posts.

You are an ADMINISTRATOR and your reply to Hogs post is a conflict of interest and bias.

 

[xcleigh]

After Sir Dave getting quite a pasting for making it look like he had lost the plot the other week http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/mar/18/dave-brailsford-cyclists-doping-spread-crack-cocaine, suitable time has elapsed for Fran to pick up the phone to her favourite newspaper and bring us .........

Sir Dave Brailsford and the story behind his amazing ride from Bangor to Buck House

Yes - just like it sounds ".......I was two – and somehow I always felt I didn’t quite fit in. So I always thought I must try harder than the others to be accepted, to be successful........."

Blimey I can't even remember whether I knew what marmite was at 2, let alone whether I "liked" or "loathed" it ! And as to contemplating whether I "fitted in", got to say I was behind the marginal gain curve there. But anyway, I digress from the full unexpurgated, brought to us by the pen of Fran...... please share the link.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...s-amazing-ride-from-Bangor-to-Buck-House.html

So where the article says "But wasn’t this madness? “We were one of the few English families in that area of north Wales – we’d moved there from Derby when I was two – and somehow I always felt I didn’t quite fit in...." You actually think it's saying at the age of two he felt he didn't feel fit in?! You really do need to learn to comprehend better. But of course it's another example of Brailsford not telling the truth.

 

[Escarabajo]

They need to wash their hands and warm down. Got to be 50w right there.

I wonder if Porte can look Rogers in the eye on the start line?

Rogers does not care. He already cashed in. Or maybe he got a warning letter from the UCI in the mail.

 

[horsinabout]

Here's one for you Sir Dave Brailsford....with xx

http://youtu.be/5ewVvVCRWxE

 

[maltiv]

72º 26 NORDHAUG, Lars Petter NOR BLA a 8:59
77º 94 ROGERS, Michael AUS TST a 9:22

Getting pretty close to their shape at Sky. Good for them!

I don't know about Rogers, but Nordhaug has the flu. He was seriously ill last week and is on antibiotics.

 

[xcleigh]

Here's one for you Sir Dave Brailsford....with xx

http://youtu.be/5ewVvVCRWxE

I've heard DB plays this very, very, very loudly on the Sky team bus... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l0nzPpvbFs

 

[JimmyFingers]

You are an ADMINISTRATOR and your reply to Hogs post is a conflict of interest and bias.

Hence him administrating, the clue is in the word

 

[JimmyFingers]

I don't know about Rogers, but Nordhaug has the flu. He was seriously ill last week and is on antibiotics.

Anyone else see trhe conditions out there? TWo riders crashed after the frickin' finish, why on earth would you push it unless you were riding for something. Erroneous even if you weren't ill like Nordhaug.

 

[BYOP88]

Dave Harmon had quote of the day today 'Kiryienka is an android' taken from today's commentary a few hundred meters before Kiryienka got lost.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Good hand hygiene is know to reduce the risk of getting ill. Reduce the risks, get ill a little bit less.

Doesn't eliminate it.

Its been an awful winter and into Spring for bugs, pretty much across the whole Northern Hemisphere.

More cyclists across all teams seem to be getting ill this season. This is a perception not a rigorous analysis.

So having some Sky boys coming down with bugs isn't proof (or not proof) of anything, other than folks chase red herrings at times.

If it's touted as a reason for cleaning up at the Olympic games, and Sky are no different than any other team in terms of becoming sick / unwell, then it seems disingneuous to offer it as a "marginal gain".

I'm simply pointing out DB spins things, and the media mostly lap them up.

There's no evidence anything he says is true, other than results. You know, BC and Sky smash most other riders.

So it's evidence that this washing of hands "properly" "marginal gain" is most probably a red herring, yes.

 

[Taxus4a]

Main thing is not training better.. that is maybe true respect others than were worried about doping while sky was focused in others things.. first thing is that they have 5 of the 10 betters tours contenders without doping in the world, and they are in SKy or in any other team.
Rogers and Nordhaug have had some problems recently, but Rogers was as strong in the past as with SKY
They will race strong this year.

I have followed Rigo and Henao from they were 18 years old, and everybody said about them to fight for the Tour.... the story of Porte is well Known, he began late, always very good, his first year pro he did 7 at Giro and ten at Romandie, and impresive in clasica San Sebastian. With Saxo his ITT were amazings, in SKy he is improving.. that is normal, he has to improve still...
Froome was a supertalent that didnt know how to race properly and was sick, Wiggo, it has been a superclass always...
It could be worse, they could get Nibali, Purito, Samu, Valverde, J VdB, Contador, TVG,...so, we are lucky they have just five...

 

[MatParker117]

Dave Harmon had quote of the day today 'Kiryienka is an android' taken from today's commentary a few hundred meters before Kiryienka got lost.

I laughed at that. Although I can see a very good reason for dumping Rogers for Vasil, I mean the guy is the equivalent of Sky unleashing an attack dog after breakaways.

"Go on Vasil, go get the breakaway there's a good boy"