Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Lanark]

Has Flecha or Hayman been associated with anything yet?

Flecha was a Fuentes client. Hard to say about Hayman, haven't heard a rumour about him, but if the Dynepo syringes were just stored in the teambus, it's hard to claim ignorance.

 

[del1962]

You need to read more Hitch.

Noone in the UK want's to read/admit to reading the Daily Mail, but Kimmage had an atticle their in July where he questioned Sky's use of Leinders.

 

[armchairclimber]

(re. Christie) Yes...but that doesn't mean his past is ignored. He's tainted as far as I (and many others in athletics) am/are concerned.

You all seem to be overlooking the fact that both Walsh and Kimmage wrote in the mainstream British press.

 

[Benotti69]

Paul Gascoigne
David Beckham

Gazza for his drinking and wife beating.

Beckham, for his celeb lifestyle.

No questions of performance enhancement written about either athlete.

 

[Benotti69]

(re. Christie) Yes...but that doesn't mean his past is ignored. He's tainted as far as I (and many others in athletics) am/are concerned.

You all seem to be overlooking the fact that both Walsh and Kimmage wrote in the mainstream British press.

Walsh and Kimmage are not British citizens and have not sworn allegiance to the Queen

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Gazza for his drinking and wife beating.

Beckham, for his celeb lifestyle.

No questions of performance enhancement written about either athlete.

The question did not stipulate it had to be doping related.

 

[Catwhoorg]

RE Linford Christie

He wasn't invited to help with the 2012 bid, and did not get Olympic accreditation during the event.

Paula Radcliffe notably is very much against his mentoring role (as am I by the way), and others have spoken out over the years.

But yes he is a convicted doper, and in my opinion hasn't been treated harshly enough for that.

He shouldn't have any place in sport unless he comes clean, names names and apologises.

 

[MartinGT]

Has Flecha or Hayman been associated with anything yet?

Hasn't Hayman refused to speak about something recently? Or was that someone else?

 

[Netserk]

The question did not stipulate it had to be doping related.

Within the context of the discussion it was IMO self evident.

 

[ebandit]

serious

Seriously?

clinic super sleuths are struggling to come up with the truth re. team sky

how could uk media perform better?

as to team sky tactics? hardly an indicator

who gives a **** if british footballers / ping pong players etc are doping

what's the dirt on team sky?

Mark L

 

[armchairclimber]

Gazza for his drinking and wife beating.

Beckham, for his celeb lifestyle.

No questions of performance enhancement written about either athlete.

Perhaps that's because the preformance limiting recreational drug use was more significant than any notional PED use that you might be thinking of?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Hasn't Hayman refused to speak about something recently? Or was that someone else?

I think he refused to answer questions about Leinders but I think I read an interview later where he said he did not dope and had little to do with Leinders anyway. How true that is of course is open to debate.

 

[del1962]

Hasn't Hayman refused to speak about something recently? Or was that someone else?

He didn't answer questions on the phone, but spoke to Dave Walsh about his time at rabobank

 

[Benotti69]

The British Media is quite happy to go after a top sports star, just look at Ryan Giggs's problems recently, we do however have libel laws, so to break a drugs story their has to be a thing we call evidence, or you may get sued, in Britain we do kind of need evidence to convict people, it must be one of our faults

Ryan Giggs, now there is a walking pharmacist. Playing at his age is enhanced totally.

 

[armchairclimber]

Walsh and Kimmage are not British citizens and have not sworn allegiance to the Queen

How many more straws would you like to grasp at soft lad?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Hasn't Hayman refused to speak about something recently? Or was that someone else?

He was called up and refused to comment about an ongoing event that he didn't know about (he was in training camp and hadn't heard about it).

Not phrased ideally, but better than say Dowsett commented about Lance.
Better a no comment than a stupid assed one.

He then discussed it with Walsh a little while later.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Within the context of the discussion it was IMO self evident.

Maybe but then I would probably have to have read more of Dear Wiggos posts and I am not sure anyone would wish that on me.

 

[thehog]

Yeah David Beckham was part of the tripple winning Man Utd team. Not dominating at all

You don't know your history at all.

The press in the UK love Beckham.

They only turned on him for his red card in 1998 World Cup when kicked Diego Simeone at 2-2 then England lost the game and out of the World Cup.

The Man U treble came a year later in 1999. That's when he began to dominate. Before that is was well known as an idiot by the press.

Have you ever lived in the UK or just watch Fox Sports?

 

[MartinGT]

He was called up and refused to comment about an ongoing event that he didn't know about (he was in training camp and hadn't heard about it).

Not phrased ideally, but better than say Dowsett commented about Lance.
Better a no comment than a stupid assed one.

He then discussed it with Walsh a little while later.

That's fair enough.

I don't really read papers any more or go on the papers websites. However, I cant remember much cycling being in the press or on the radio / TV much.

When Cav won the rainbow stripes, the leading sports story was something about a cricketer having an injury, WTF! Seriously! Even now the radio presenters get names wrong etc, its not high up on the agenda.

So, I am surprised to see the likes of the Mirror, Sun, the Fail etc having in-depth stuff in about the backroom staff of Sky. If there have been jurno's questioning them, well done on that, its something that shouldn't be allowed to be swept under the carpet like Johan Brailsford wants it to be.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Is there a precedent where a UK sports person is winning / dominating and UK press look at the person and say, "Huh, that looks a bit dodgy eh what!?".

No.

UK libel laws would prevent it.

So to suggest

The British media are totally aware of the history of Doping in cycling

is wrong, as Leinders was involved with Sky for AGES and nothing said.

To then say, based on this first falsehood that

and If Sky were doing the same it would have been blown apart way before now

is also wrong. Coz Sky WERE doing the same - hiring a doping doctor after a crap year in 2010, to turn it around as soon as said doctor was hired.

EXACTLY THE SAME.

And sweet FA was "blown apart".

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

"Christie tested positive for the stimulant Pseudoephedrine at the 1988 Seoul Olympics"

Christie is a coach and trains some British sprinters.

Forgot about his positive. I was referring to the herbal tea excuse in the 1988 Olympics. He's "damaged goods" in the eyes of most of the public and press.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

You don't know your history at all.

The press in the UK love Beckham.

They only turned on him for his red card in 1998 World Cup when kicked Diego Simeone at 2-2 then England lost the game and out of the World Cup.

The Man U treble came a year later in 1999. That's when he began to dominate. Before that is was well known as an idiot by the press.

Have you ever lived in the UK or just watch Fox Sports?

Clearly you are the one with no idea. Yes, he got sent of in 1998 and for the next few years he was castigated by the press (so including 1998)

Before that he was one of Englands 'golden boys'. In fact that is why there was such a backlash after 98.

 

[Ripper]

That's not a tactic. It's being a million miles better than everyone. Absolutely no other team when they hit the front drops 90% of the peloton but none of their own riders.

Explain to me what tactical element is there in that?

It's like saying Cav is the best tactician in cycling because he had this amazing tactic of riding as fast as he can in the last 300m.

This covers it ...

Thx H

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

You don't know your history at all.

The press in the UK love Beckham.

They only turned on him for his red card in 1998 World Cup when kicked Diego Simeone at 2-2 then England lost the game and out of the World Cup.

The Man U treble came a year later in 1999. That's when he began to dominate. Before that is was well known as an idiot by the press.

Have you ever lived in the UK or just watch Fox Sports?

Oh and yes I was watching football in the UK long before Sky sports bought into it.

 

[MartinGT]

Another thing.

If the media were so on top of things, why hasn't the departure of Rogers raised any questions?