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[The Hitch]

Great post and one that brings something new to the discussion.

Funny how Wiggins now claims his dream always was to win the tour de France. 3.years ago he was saying it always was to podium the tour. 5 years ago his dream always was to win a time trial. And your kimmage comment shows before that he didn't even think the sport was for him.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Great post and one that brings something new to the discussion.

Funny how Wiggins now claims his dream always was to win the tour de France. 3.years ago he was saying it always was to podium the tour. 5 years ago his dream always was to win a time trial. And your kimmage comment shows before that he didn't even think the sport was for him.

These things do change over time though. As a kid I imagine you dream to win the tour and not to come second or third. As you actually get into the sport your goals will no doubt.

 

[observer]

Great post and one that brings something new to the discussion.

Funny how Wiggins now claims his dream always was to win the tour de France. 3.years ago he was saying it always was to podium the tour. 5 years ago his dream always was to win a time trial. And your kimmage comment shows before that he didn't even think the sport was for him.

It makes you wonder what it takes for a red flag to pop up for these fans. How crushing does the victory need to be before they think... well something is up here.

 

[sittingbison]

It makes you wonder what it takes for a red flag to pop up for these fans. How crushing does the victory need to be before they think... well something is up here.

winning seven straight maillot jeunesthen placing 3rd after a 3 year retirement ought to do it

 

[Mr. McQ]

winning seven straight maillot jeunesthen placing 3rd after a 3 year retirement ought to do it

Well the thing is SBW is not likely even racing the TdF this year, so that prediction will not come true.

Sky is not USPS. Sky is Sky. Lots of money, lots of talent. Likely some bad eggs on the team (hey, it's pro cycling). But I do not think team organized doping.

 

[timmers]

Great post and one that brings something new to the discussion.

Funny how Wiggins now claims his dream always was to win the tour de France. 3.years ago he was saying it always was to podium the tour. 5 years ago his dream always was to win a time trial. And your kimmage comment shows before that he didn't even think the sport was for him.

What I find interesting is that you appear to have an intellectual/literary bent with your name but do you really think Wiggins is that smart? He's a guy who has the ability to ride thousands of laps on a 250m indoor track and from his reported comments does not appear to be a deep thinker! A mate who has ridden with him couldn't believe it when he got engaged and I understand he takes his family to the cafe at Manchester track! I just wonder if we expect more of Wiggins (born in Belgium to an English mother and Australian father) than he is able to offer in an intellectual sense.

 

[leon7766]

Wiggo is so talented he can more or less match a blood doped Armstrong over a 3 week GT

This is the truth and any sensible person would realise this

 

[thehog]

This is the truth and any sensible person would realise this

To be fair he has a big engine from the track.

That would translate well into winning GTs.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

What I find interesting is that you appear to have an intellectual/literary bent with your name but do you really think Wiggins is that smart? He's a guy who has the ability to ride thousands of laps on a 250m indoor track and from his reported comments does not appear to be a deep thinker! A mate who has ridden with him couldn't believe it when he got engaged and I understand he takes his family to the cafe at Manchester track! I just wonder if we expect more of Wiggins (born in Belgium to an English mother and Australian father) than he is able to offer in an intellectual sense.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/8168184.stm

* Shane Sutton
* Nigel Mitchell
* Steve the monkeyman Peters [perhaps it doesnt work on guys like Suarez ]

Quite telling the involvement of Team GB on Twiggo in 2009 I must say. So, what did go wrong in 2010?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jul/02/tour-de-france-2010-sky-bradley-wiggins

It is not that the swimming coach wasnt around.
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17547_5818410,00.html

That all took quite a while to make it presentable. Then I was with Tim Kerrison [Tech Advances] in order to make sure that the other Sports Directors who haven't done the recceing, know all they can about the roads.

So, the swim coach was at the Department of Tech Advances, switching in 2011 to head coach with the arrival of Geert Leinders?

Remains the question who did the groundwork for the Wiggo to Twiggo transformation in 2009.

 

[SundayRider]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/8168184.stm

* Shane Sutton
* Nigel Mitchell
* Steve the monkeyman Peters [perhaps it doesnt work on guys like Suarez ]

Quite telling the involvement of Team GB on Twiggo in 2009 I must say. So, what did go wrong in 2010?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jul/02/tour-de-france-2010-sky-bradley-wiggins

It is not that the swimming coach wasnt around.
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17547_5818410,00.html


So, the swim coach was at the Department of Tech Advances, switching in 2011 to head coach with the arrival of Geert Leinders?

Remains the question who did the groundwork for the Wiggo to Twiggo transformation in 2009.

Some Doctor 'on the side' maybe? The way Wiggins describes it its almost as if he turned up to ride that Tour as a domestique and then accidentally found he had that sort of form.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Some Doctor 'on the side' maybe? The way Wiggins describes it its almost as if he turned up to ride that Tour as a domestique and then accidentally found he had that sort of form.

I am pretty sure Vande Velde was the Garmin team leader. The CN race report used the word "surprise" for Wiggins. Clearly forgot about his pursuit medals from the track.

And even as I write that, it sounds ridiculous.

 

[SundayRider]

I am pretty sure Vande Velde was the Garmin team leader. The CN race report used the word "surprise" for Wiggins. Clearly forgot about his pursuit medals from the track.

And even as I write that, it sounds ridiculous.

I remember watching one of the first mountain stages of that Tour and seeing BW at the front group and just thinking WTF! I sort of gave him the benefit of the doubt (as much as one can!) at the time but then that quickly went away over the next couple of years...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Daniel Benson of CN editor fame has written up a pearler of a Wiggins fanboi piece. This bit in particular has me intrigued

Leaving the rhetoric of flag waving home press of ‘boy from Kilburn done good’ aside, it’s been an astronomical rise. Before taking Grand Tours seriously in 2009, Wiggins’ focused on time trials and breakaways, never believing he could become an overall contender. Three years later he’d bludgeoned his way to fourth [later third] and picked up an eye-watering contract to boot, moving up from the gruppetto to battling shoulder to shoulder with the Schlecks, Armstrong and Contador.

Which breakaway could Dan possibly be talking about? Hopefully something beyond the farcical l"Avenir stage!?

 

[SundayRider]

Daniel Benson of CN editor fame has written up a pearler of a Wiggins fanboi piece. This bit in particular has me intrigued



Which breakaway could Dan possibly be talking about? Hopefully something beyond the farcical l"Avenir stage!?

He wasn't particularly successful (relative to now) when he focused on time trials specifically was he

 

[Netserk]

Daniel Benson of CN editor fame has written up a pearler of a Wiggins fanboi piece. This bit in particular has me intrigued



Which breakaway could Dan possibly be talking about? Hopefully something beyond the farcical l"Avenir stage!?

He did a solo-breakaway in a flat stage one of the years.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He did a solo-breakaway in a flat stage one of the years.

Did he get caught again? Or did he win the stage? Coz anyone can break away - in fact the peloton deliberately let them go..

 

[Netserk]

Did he get caught again? Or did he win the stage? Coz anyone can break away - in fact the peloton deliberately let them go..

Latter

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He wasn't particularly successful (relative to now) when he focused on time trials specifically was he

To my definition of "world class"? No. But Krebs Cycle disagrees. As no doubt do a host of others who are not sure if he's doping now or not.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Which breakaway could Dan possibly be talking about?

There was stage 6 in the 2007 Tour when Wiggo went bananas and got a lead of around 15 minutes on the field, which he didn't hold onto, and never looked like doing so once the peloton had woken up. (Caught around 7k from the finish.)

It was his wife's birthday, and he launched the attack as a special present for her. (Brad - Flowers and Champagne are both a better idea and considerably easier on the body!)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Latter

In a GT? I just checked CQ really quick and didn't see anything? Do you remember any details?

 

[SundayRider]

To my definition of "world class"? No. But Krebs Cycle disagrees. As no doubt do a host of others who are not sure if he's doping now or not.

Don't think he ever actually won one, not against top tier opposition anyway...

 

[Netserk]

To my definition of "world class"? No. But Krebs Cycle disagrees. As no doubt do a host of others who are not sure if he's doping now or not.

He was a mediocre TTer before Sky, currently absolute world-class.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

There was stage 6 in the 2007 Tour when Wiggo went bananas and got a lead of around 15 minutes on the field, which he didn't hold onto, and never looked like doing so once the peloton had woken up. (Caught around 7k from the finish.)

Right. Clearly a multiple GT winner in the making.

 

[Netserk]

In a GT? I just checked CQ really quick and didn't see anything? Do you remember any details?

Sorry I meant latter as in you third 'option':

Coz anyone can break away - in fact the peloton deliberately let them go..

He was caught. Sorry for the confusion

 

[Dear Wiggo]

To be frank, this piece reminds me of an LA-like puff-piece.