Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[leon7766]

That's very true. I do remember the controversy when known dope test evader Christine Ohu... oh wait.

Well, I do remember them being all high and mighty about not letting known dopers ride for Team GB in the cycling events while the soft-on-doping Italians let convicted cheats ride in their Olympic t... oh wait.

And here we're only talking about performance enhancers too, of course. There's no way Britain would incorporate a guy into their team who would willingly "do a Piquet" to get a race restarted cos he messe... oh wait.

I am impressed at ianfra's persistence though. Perhaps this time around the difference between accusations levelled at professional cyclists (professional cycling being, of course, the raison d'être of this board) and direct personal attacks levelled at fellow posters will be more clear and we can have the discussion a bit more civilly.

Yes about the only country who had a rule against dopers being in the Olympics .Didn't ohruggers get a certain ban ( cant remember )and the last bit well he has a certain amount of German and couldn't actually be replaced on the spot

 

[Benotti69]

Well said mate although they do have straws they keep clutching .Very thin straws

Since when did hiring a doping doctor become a thin straw?

 

[martinvickers]

A sport as corrupt as cycling which is dirty from the top UCI (McQuaid/Verbruggen) down to the members in small nations (cycling Ireland) and all in between (with few exceptions), to bring in the argument 'not stand up in a court of law' is pretty sad and ignores all that is wrong with the sport.

The members in that small nation never got their say yet. I'll thank you to retract that slur.

 

[Benotti69]

The members in that small nation never got their say yet. I'll thank you to retract that slur.

Considering they nominated him twice before does not let them off the hook.

 

[leon7766]

Since when did hiring a doping doctor become a thin straw?

Since its been put to rest by Sky

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Wtf

That's what he posted during last year's TDF.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Not in Britain we are different sadly people are to jealous of us to give credit

freddy's best work.

Stop trying to stir !

Sean Yates retired because he was "ill".

Shane moved because he had to concentrate on the track and anyway he had a bump on the head and cannot remember anything about his days at ANC Halfords with Malcolm Elliott. He knows nothing about that nice Rob Hayles.

St David runs absolution classes for anyone being tempted by the dark side, with his tales of "one single moment of madness can ruin your life for ever - let me tell you what happened at 4.35 pm on a single afternoon in my life in 2003. There I was, I had nearly won the 2001 World TT champs but I had never even heard of the phrase EPO let alone thought about using it when all of a sudden.....".

And Super-Dave tells us everyone is so clean that they make white sheets, that have never been slept on and are still in the packet, look dirty, so there is nobody to arrest. Fran confirms these stories for us.

It is just that simple. We are not like your dirty cheating johnny foreigner.

 

[Benotti69]

How can hiring Leinders have been put to rest by Sky? The king of attention to detail, Brailsford said he left it to Peters. Now that is paying attention to detail. He also denied knowing Leinders history. Now that is another lie.

Keep swallowing the lies, it helps you part with your hard earned to sell jerseys.

 

[martinvickers]

Considering they nominated him twice before does not let them off the hook.

They didn't nominate anybody - the membership don't get to do that. That was done by the small management board.

Get your facts right. Retract the bigotted slur.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

We should have a wager. (I want to mention other pro-Sky advocate fence-sitters but it's not worth the backlash)

If anyone at Sky gets done for doping, ianfra, leon7766, what will you do? What can we ask you to do?

And if by some ridiculous set of circumstances they release some data, like a blood profile, and Ashenden or someone goes through it and gives it a clean bill of health, what would you like people like me [ie people who believe Sky riders have been assisted chemically (esp. Brad since 2009)] to do?

 

[Benotti69]

They didn't nominate anybody - the membership don't get to do that. That was done by the small management board.

Get your facts right. Retract the bigotted slur.

Did the members protest at managements decision to nominate McQuaid?

Are mangement not members of Cycling Ireland?

 

[taiwan]

They didn't nominate anybody - the membership don't get to do that. That was done by the small management board.

Get your facts right. Retract the bigotted slur.

In what way is Benotti's comment bigoted? Let's not misuse that term pleae.

That's a rhetorical question, so we don't go O/T.

 

[leon7766]

How can it have been put to rest by Sky? The king of attention to detail, Brailsford said he left it to Peters. Now that is paying attention to detail. He also denied knowing Leinders history. Now that is another lie.

Keep swallowing the lies, it helps you part with your hard earned to sell jerseys.

Closed minds this is what Im up against .

My belly doesn't look good in a sports top and to be honest they cant be doing a good job selling them because I have never seen one

 

[leon7766]

We should have a wager. (I want to mention other pro-Sky advocate fence-sitters but it's not worth the backlash)

If anyone at Sky gets done for doping, ianfra, leon7766, what will you do? What can we ask you to do?

And if by some ridiculous set of circumstances they release some data, like a blood profile, and Ashenden or someone goes through it and gives it a clean bill of health, what would you like people like me [ie people who believe Sky riders have been assisted chemically (esp. Brad since 2009)] to do?

If that was to happen cycling would be finished for me and in this country as you know it would a dead sport

The difference between me and you and your cohort is if Im proved wrong I would admit it because I hate cheating .You and our cohort would never admit Sky were clean no matter what evidence was put up you would just move the goalposts as you always do

 

[leon7766]

Also to clarify I only concern myself with british cyclist and Sky .If Cavendish hadn't started winning five years ago I would have been like the rest of the british public totally bored with road cycling and all the cheating foreigners and Miller who I don't cheer for as he was a cheat

 

[mattghg]

This nationalistic cr@p is so tedious.

 

[ianfra]

What's good with the sport

I am coaching kids in Chiang Mai. One of the parents of a female cyclist tried to put her on "hormones". I intervened - and given the culture this was not an easy thing to do - and this became a bit public with her team and others. I've since had many messages of support from people in the cycling community in this country. I have found that the people I know and commune with over here and in the UK are anti-drug, anti-needle and support the British Cycling firm stance against drugs and needles. Interesting fact: When I was racing in Europe may years ago (low level I can say) when I was 19 - amphetamines were put into my bidon and I had no idea that had happened and being somewhat naive (no internet in those days) I had no idea why I felt weird. Interesting fact: My old coach in the UK, an ex European pro has wonderful tales to tell of doping in his era. He is so violently against it - and so are his athletes one of whom is currently in the pro-tour. He knows more than most and would tell you that it is highly unlikely that British Cycling allow their Sky athletes to dope. He is a person that I trust 100%. So given the balance of probability I would say that Sky riders are clean.

 

[Ferminal]

Well the British ones may be clean in that case, but obviously Rogers was doped so it doesn't count for the whole team.

 

[The Hitch]

Havent we had the same news story about 50 times since July?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Well the British ones may be clean in that case, but obviously Rogers was doped so it doesn't count for the whole team.

And he was a serial doper like you eloquently used to say so only a slim chance that he was clean.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I am coaching kids in Chiang Mai. One of the parents of a female cyclist tried to put her on "hormones". I intervened - and given the culture this was not an easy thing to do - and this became a bit public with her team and others. I've since had many messages of support from people in the cycling community in this country. I have found that the people I know and commune with over here and in the UK are anti-drug, anti-needle and support the British Cycling firm stance against drugs and needles. Interesting fact: When I was racing in Europe may years ago (low level I can say) when I was 19 - amphetamines were put into my bidon and I had no idea that had happened and being somewhat naive (no internet in those days) I had no idea why I felt weird. Interesting fact: My old coach in the UK, an ex European pro has wonderful tales to tell of doping in his era. He is so violently against it - and so are his athletes one of whom is currently in the pro-tour. He knows more than most and would tell you that it is highly unlikely that British Cycling allow their Sky athletes to dope. He is a person that I trust 100%. So given the balance of probability I would say that Sky riders are clean.

It's my understanding Brad Wiggins does wtf ever he wants. And had a massive turn around from 2006 to 2009, followed by an equally massive pay rise in 2010, followed by another large increase in performance capability in 2012.

The balance of probabilities lies with human nature and we are prone to repeating history.

 

[BYOP88]

And he was a serial doper like you eloquently used to say so only a slim chance that he was clean.

Careful Zam otheriwse you'll end up with British teeth

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Since its been put to rest by Sky

Only the Sky fanboys are satisfied with that.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Also to clarify I only concern myself with british cyclist and Sky .If Cavendish hadn't started winning five years ago I would have been like the rest of the british public totally bored with road cycling and all the cheating foreigners and Miller who I don't cheer for as he was a cheat

Leon7766 meet almost every Armstrong fan ever. Almost every Armstrong fan ever, meet leon7766.

 

[spalco]

Interesting fact: My old coach in the UK, an ex European pro has wonderful tales to tell of doping in his era. He is so violently against it - and so are his athletes one of whom is currently in the pro-tour. He knows more than most and would tell you that it is highly unlikely that British Cycling allow their Sky athletes to dope. He is a person that I trust 100%. So given the balance of probability I would say that Sky riders are clean.

Fine, but it's not actually an interesting fact, just a personal anecdote, that nobody but you can really relate too, so not a convincing argument at all.