Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Dear Wiggo]

If that was to happen cycling would be finished for me and in this country as you know it would a dead sport

No track and field in Canada then?
No cycling in America, Italy, Spain or France?

I think you will find there is. David Millar? Tom Simpson?

The difference between me and you and your cohort is if Im proved wrong I would admit it because I hate cheating .You and our cohort would never admit Sky were clean no matter what evidence was put up you would just move the goalposts as you always do

The bigger difference is I follow, love and participate in cycling. You follow British riders and the Sky pro cycling team - and only then because they are successful.

 

[ultimobici]

Also to clarify I only concern myself with british cyclist and Sky .If Cavendish hadn't started winning five years ago I would have been like the rest of the british public totally bored with road cycling and all the cheating foreigners and Miller who I don't cheer for as he was a cheat

And how can you be so sure of the cleanliness of British sportsmen & women in light of the actions of Millar, Ohuruogu, Chambers, Christie & Ferdinand? Cheating is not the exclusive preserve of Johnny Foreigner and never has been.

Wake up sunshine - every nation has cheats, even ours.

 

[blackcat]

leon, the only difference about Cavendish is he is yet to be caught

 

[spalco]

leon, the only difference about Cavendish is he is yet to be caught

Come on, if Cavendish is doping, how can anybody be clean? If he gets caught, I would lose pretty much all hope for this sport.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Come on, if Cavendish is doping, how can anybody be clean? If he gets caught, I would lose pretty much all hope for this sport.

Are you being serious?

Because sprinters do not dope?

 

[the sceptic]

Come on, if Cavendish is doping, how can anybody be clean? If he gets caught, I would lose pretty much all hope for this sport.

You dont think you need doping to be a sprinter? cmon. What about Zabel, Cippolini etc.

Cavendish is destroying sprints with such ease. Maybe its because all the sprinters stopped doping, but to me its hard to believe he is clean.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Also to clarify I only concern myself with british cyclist and Sky .If Cavendish hadn't started winning five years ago I would have been like the rest of the british public totally bored with road cycling and all the cheating foreigners and Miller who I don't cheer for as he was a cheat

Paging MartinVickers.

Well, well, there is confirmation of my crackpot theory UCI is picking winners in the name of "growing cycling." How exactly are they picking winners? By suppressing doping positives. Which is routine and totally under the UCI's control, and breaks no rules within the WADA framework.

To be totally pedantic, it's growing cycling viewers. Not actually grassroots events.

Finally, when the Sky doping scandal finally breaks, it won't destroy cycling. The UCI has had numerous doping scandals and a worldwide monopoly on bike racing. Hein and Pat are going nowhere and the IOC likes the doping. Just don't get caught.

Insert UCI PR message #2 and #3, "Cleanest peloton ever. Can't dwell on the past. Cycling is moving on." Cleanest peloton ever. Just repeat that.

 

[spalco]

Are you being serious?

Because sprinters do not dope?

You dont think you need doping to be a sprinter? cmon. What about Zabel, Cippolini etc.

Cavendish is destroying sprints with such ease. Maybe its because all the sprinters stopped doping, but to me its hard to believe he is clean.

I am being serious. I'm sure doping can be useful to a sprinter, but I don't think it's a necessity.

Cavendish is a tiny guy who gets over the mountains with the grace of Hannibal's elephants. As has been pointed out many times, he's a true one-trick-pony and he often is not by being the best but by being the most clever.

Put him next to Greipel, Bouhanni, Goss, etc., you really think Cavendish stands out as suspicious?

 

[hrotha]

Put him next to Greipel, Bouhanni, Goss, etc., you really think Cavendish stands out as suspicious?

Of course he does, since he beats them all more often than not.

 

[leon7766]

Only the Sky fanboys are satisfied with that.

Only people with closed minds aren't

 

[leon7766]

Leon7766 meet almost every Armstrong fan ever. Almost every Armstrong fan ever, meet leon7766.

What Armstrong from a country with a long history of doping who rode in an era when everyone seems to have doped

Chewbacca meet the truth

 

[leon7766]

No track and field in Canada then?
No cycling in America, Italy, Spain or France?

I think you will find there is. David Millar? Tom Simpson?



The bigger difference is I follow, love and participate in cycling. You follow British riders and the Sky pro cycling team - and only then because they are successful.

I said the sport would be dead in Britain .Most of those countries seem to admire dopers British people don't

I did say Millar whom I don't think should represent his country .Also they aren't known in Britain by more than the hardcore cycling fans


If you love cycling why wont you give Sky the chance

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I am being serious. I'm sure doping can be useful to a sprinter, but I don't think it's a necessity.

Cavendish is a tiny guy who gets over the mountains with the grace of Hannibal's elephants. As has been pointed out many times, he's a true one-trick-pony and he often is not by being the best but by being the most clever.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nefits-sprinters-swimmers-research-finds.html

On Cavendish and the mountains. He did very well last year, the years before he should have been disqualified for OOT and holding on to cars/motors.

I said the sport would be dead in Britain .Most of those countries seem to admire dopers British people don't

That is correct, that is why Sky must be the cleanest team in history

 

[blackcat]

Come on, if Cavendish is doping, how can anybody be clean?

bingo, you brits holier than thou gordonstoun muscular christianity types need to stop riding naked chariots of fire horses on the beach and come back to reality.

 

[leon7766]

And how can you be so sure of the cleanliness of British sportsmen & women in light of the actions of Millar, Ohuruogu, Chambers, Christie & Ferdinand? Cheating is not the exclusive preserve of Johnny Foreigner and never has been.

Wake up sunshine - every nation has cheats, even ours.

Look what happened to Chambers in Britain and he got caught .Both Ohruggers and Ferdinand were banned and Millar was a non entity in this country

We don't admire cheats

 

[blackcat]

stiff upper lip
___________dont tremble
_____________________dont dope

 

[Zam_Olyas]

And how can you be so sure of the cleanliness of British sportsmen & women in light of the actions of Millar, Ohuruogu, Chambers, Christie & Ferdinand? Cheating is not the exclusive preserve of Johnny Foreigner and never has been.

Wake up sunshine - every nation has cheats, even ours.

For the 2nd time i will quote Freddythefrog's tongue in cheek post..

Stop trying to stir !

Sean Yates retired because he was "ill".

Shane moved because he had to concentrate on the track and anyway he had a bump on the head and cannot remember anything about his days at ANC Halfords with Malcolm Elliott. He knows nothing about that nice Rob Hayles.

St David runs absolution classes for anyone being tempted by the dark side, with his tales of "one single moment of madness can ruin your life for ever - let me tell you what happened at 4.35 pm on a single afternoon in my life in 2003. There I was, I had nearly won the 2001 World TT champs but I had never even heard of the phrase EPO let alone thought about using it when all of a sudden.....".

And Super-Dave tells us everyone is so clean that they make white sheets, that have never been slept on and are still in the packet, look dirty, so there is nobody to arrest. Fran confirms these stories for us.

It is just that simple. We are not like your dirty cheating johnny foreigner.

 

[spalco]

bingo, you brits holier than thou gordonstoun muscular christianity types need to stop riding naked chariots of fire horses on the beach and come back to reality.

I'm not British. (and not a Christian, and probably also not whatever a gordonstoun is).

 

[Hugh Januss]

A sport as corrupt as cycling which is dirty from the top UCI (McQuaid/Verbruggen) down to the members in small nations (cycling Ireland) and all in between (with few exceptions), to bring in the argument 'not stand up in a court of law' is pretty sad and ignores all that is wrong with the sport.

Maybe so, but "charges wouldn't stand up in a court of law" is page one in every fanboy handbook.

 

[leon7766]

leon, the only difference about Cavendish is he is yet to be caught

I mean that's just terrible .IM sure he is a bit of a sod but he has never shown any closeness to drugs and has got where he is by being almost stupidly crazed

 

[the sceptic]

I cant decide if this Leon guy is for real of if he is just an expert parody but either way i find him very entertaining

 

[DirtyWorks]

If you love cycling why wont you give Sky the chance .Everything they do says they are clean

A quick review of the arguments supporting Sky's Grand Tour squad is doping and the UCI is assisting with the cheating like they did with Armstrong:

-Never in the history of cycling, pre-EPO has a rider "learned to climb" later in their carrer turning them into a grand tour podium win.
-Never in the history of cycling, pre-EPO has a rider "learned to time trial" into later career TT dominance.
-Froome and Wiggo have both transformed in unnatural ways that remind the doubters of Armstrong. This includes a return to historic norms within the year. AKA 'zero to hero'
-Wiggo's past performances during Armstrong's doped career. As varied as Armstrong, which strongly suggests oxygen vector doping.
-Ridiculous reasons given for performance summarized as marginal gains. Another Armstrong legacy.
-Sky hides out on Tenerife, a known doping haven.
-The weight loss is extreme and enormously suspect and totally consistent with known peptide doping protocols.
-Identical organization to USA Cycling and USPS. Most of BC is directly involved in the Sky program including the head of BC as part of the organization that runs the Pro Team. The body in charge of enforcing the rules has a stake in the success of its team.
-Pat's slip about visiting the winners of the 2012 TdF when the race wasn't finished.
I'll leave out the long list of sketchy staff, including hiring Rabo's doping doctor.

 

[blackcat]

i think leon is pulling the leg of The Clinic 12.

chapeau leon. well played sir

 

[leon7766]

Paging MartinVickers.

Well, well, there is confirmation of my crackpot theory UCI is picking winners in the name of "growing cycling." How exactly are they picking winners? By suppressing doping positives. Which is routine and totally under the UCI's control, and breaks no rules within the WADA framework.

To be totally pedantic, it's growing cycling viewers. Not actually grassroots events.

Finally, when the Sky doping scandal finally breaks, it won't destroy cycling. The UCI has had numerous doping scandals and a worldwide monopoly on bike racing. Hein and Pat are going nowhere and the IOC likes the doping. Just don't get caught.

Insert UCI PR message #2 and #3, "Cleanest peloton ever. Can't dwell on the past. Cycling is moving on." Cleanest peloton ever. Just repeat that.

It wont destroy world cycling because for some reason people in other countries support cheats Briish people don't

 

[blackcat]

If you love cycling why wont you give Sky the chance .Everything they do says they are clean

thats right.

everything except

except winning
except being a protour team

you are right tho, everthing except those things indicate they may well be clean.