Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[BYOP88]

They should restrict than

"You can be a tour winner only you were awesome in your youths, showing something"

Words can not describe this stupidity, it's beyond any argumentation. It's like those paid poster for political parties, defying any logic and common sense. You can't argue with that.

You did your Ph.D in maths right? Given what's known about Froome and his cycling past, the odds of him becoming the rider he has on bread and water are?

I mean his Sky teammate Knees thrashed Froome in the '08 TdF. I guess Knees his a bone idle ******.

 

[EnacheV]

You did your Ph.D in maths right? Given what's known about Froome and his cycling past, the odds of him becoming the rider he has on bread and water are?

I mean his Sky teammate Knees thrashed Froome in the '08 TdF. I guess Knees his a bone idle ******.

1. greater than 0. that's enough. In the case of Froome, giving were he raised, probably was harder to follow the usual cycling path of an european junior.

2. 08-13 = 5 years. Real beat Barca 5 years ago. That doesnt mean they should always do. I'm sure some kindergarden friends of Carl Lewis were faster to the playing ground also.

 

[zastomito]

"You can be a tour winner only you were awesome in your youths, showing something"

Yep, you finally got it.

 

[BroDeal]

1. greater than 0. that's enough. In the case of Froome, giving were he raised, probably was harder to follow the usual cycling path of an european junior.

Not this crap again. Froome grew up in South Africa. He raced all over the world before becoming a European pro.

 

[buckle]

1. greater than 0. that's enough. In the case of Froome, giving were he raised, probably was harder to follow the usual cycling path of an european junior.

2. 08-13 = 5 years. Real beat Barca 5 years ago. That doesnt mean they should always do. I'm sure some kindergarden friends of Carl Lewis were faster to the playing ground also.

Barca and Carl Lewis - debate clinching examples in a discussion on doping ....

 

[lemoogle]

1. greater than 0. that's enough. In the case of Froome, giving were he raised, probably was harder to follow the usual cycling path of an european junior.

2. 08-13 = 5 years. Real beat Barca 5 years ago. That doesnt mean they should always do. I'm sure some kindergarden friends of Carl Lewis were faster to the playing ground also.

Ok , first stop bringing up Football, it's not the first time you've done it and it's probably one of the worst analogies in the world.
OH and YES WE AGREE it's possible to have a leap during childhood and teenage years. Just not suddenly destroy a guy in your late 20s that was beating you a few years back. Pretty much your Kindergarten analogy is also terrible.

I'm only a measly Maths Master here, but what kind of maths did you do your PhD in exactly? You're thinking from the final result that froome is 100% clean and dismissing every steps that may lead to the conclusion that he is doping because there is no direct straightforward link that he is. That is not how Maths people think. In Maths you may make a hypothesis of what you're trying to prove but then you think from the START

 

[BYOP88]

1. greater than 0. that's enough. In the case of Froome, giving were he raised, probably was harder to follow the usual cycling path of an european junior.

2. 08-13 = 5 years. Real beat Barca 5 years ago. That doesnt mean they should always do. I'm sure some kindergarden friends of Carl Lewis were faster to the playing ground also.

1. Froome started (road)cycling in South Africa at 14. I believe he started MTB at age 11 in Kenya and trained with David Kinjah. South Africa has a very good cycling network and roads, it's not like Froome only had the option of dirt tracks. Mollema as an example,started cycling at 19.

2. If kindergarden sporting prowess was anything to go on, I'd currently be hitting over .500 for the Anaheim Angels and be the best QB in the NFL. I can't remember partaking in any 'training programmes' in kindergarden. I assume in the last 5 years and since they've been 'pro's' both Froome and Knees have, lets not forget that Froome in those 5 years also picked up a (serious) illness. So he wouldn't have been able to train properly and effectively in that time. Now maybe Froome is a driven guy and Knees is a lazy SOB. But from a guy who sucked and even got thrown out of a race for cheating on terrain he's now killing people on just doesn't add up for me.

 

[Rollthedice]

1. Froome started (road)cycling in South Africa at 14. I believe he started MTB at age 11 in Kenya and trained with David Kinjah. South Africa has a very good cycling network and roads, it's not like Froome only had the option of dirt tracks. Mollema as an example,started cycling at 19.

2. If kindergarden sporting prowess was anything to go on, I'd currently be hitting over .500 for the Anaheim Angels and be the best QB in the NFL. I can't remember partaking in any 'training programmes' in kindergarden. I assume in the last 5 years and since they've been 'pro's' both Froome and Knees have, lets not forget that Froome in those 5 years also picked up a (serious) illness. So he wouldn't have been able to train properly and effectively in that time. Now maybe Froome is a driven guy and Knees is a lazy SOB. But from a guy who sucked and even got thrown out of a race for cheating on terrain he's now killing people on just doesn't add up for me.

And there's another thing quite out of the ordinary. Except TA where Nibali outsmarted the dawg, Froome won every race where he competed this year. He developed an extraordinary consistency with zero bad days.

 

[EnacheV]

And there's another thing quite out of the ordinary. Except TA where Nibali outsmarted the dawg, Froome won every race where he competed this year. He developed an extraordinary consistency with zero bad days.

and that proves exactly what ?

god forbids an athlete having an excellent first year. you know, every athlete that had and excellent year , had at least and excellent 1st year, if you can follow.

and there are tons of such examples, of sweet runs of form.

I don't know if Froome is doped or not, i don't even care for him personally, i have other people that i cheer for, but i usually like to trash someone when i have some solid stuff in my hand.

i behave on the internet like in real life, with responsability over my actions and words.

 

[buckle]

Did CP speak to DB Saturday night?

What did CP say to DB Saturday night?

"It's one on the podium and that's your lot or else we're gonna ping - understand?"

 

[DirtyWorks]

and that proves exactly what ?

He defies normal athletic performances. That is indicative of doping.

Another name for the ignore list.

 

[martijn sonnenberg]

Suggest you check which track discipline Bos comes from. He's a sprinter, Wiggins is a pursuiter. Very different disciplines.

And pursuit is like climbing then? I can see That wiggo's track experimenten helps him on (short) time trials, but climbing is totally different. (like Theo got droppend on About everything bump in THE road dring his first races)

 

[Nick777]

This smells like Jeff Vader

Was Jeff Vader 'Wonderlance'?

That UK Cycling Expert twitter feed is pretty funny

 

[ChewbaccaD]

This smells like Jeff Vader

I'll ask him.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

This smells like Jeff Vader

Not him. Someone channeling him.

 

[Granville57]

Not him. Someone channeling him.

Waiting for the #Ficus

 

[BroDeal]

Maybe Aaron Brown is attempting a comeback.

 

[Cerberus]

and that proves exactly what ?

god forbids an athlete having an excellent first year. you know, every athlete that had and excellent year , had at least and excellent 1st year, if you can follow.

and there are tons of such examples, of sweet runs of form.

Excelent, do you mind providing us with a pre-epo example of a Tour winner with an early GC record even half as pathetic as that of Wiggins, Armstrongs, Riis, Indurains or Landis?

Because the only example I can think of is Roger Walkowiak (whose early GC record is litterally less than half as bad as wiggins) and the year he won he got gifted 18 minutes in a breakaway.

 

[del1962]

Excelent, do you mind providing us with a pre-epo example of a Tour winner with an early GC record even half as pathetic as that of Wiggins, Armstrongs, Riis, Indurains or Landis?

Because the only example I can think of is Roger Walkowiak (whose early GC record is litterally less than half as bad as wiggins) and the year he won he got gifted 18 minutes in a breakaway.

How do you think a clean competitor should do in there non gc focussed tour debut in 2006 (i.e. during EPO era)?

 

[Bexon30]

How do you think a clean competitor should do in there non gc focussed tour debut in 2006 (i.e. during EPO era)?

Top 50 placing perhaps finishing ahead of the autobus depending on work required that day. Solid placing high up for the white jersey competition (if young enough) , say top 6/7 at the very least. Outside of that then the talent probably ain't that natural (I.e. future dominant force), and that's probably a leninant assessment, imo.

 

[del1962]

Top 50 placing perhaps finishing ahead of the autobus depending on work required that day. Solid placing high up for the white jersey competition (if young enough) , say top 6/7 at the very least. Outside of that then the talent probably ain't that natural (I.e. future dominant force), and that's probably a leninant assessment, imo.

So what about someone who places 105th in Giro, then wins the tour the same season in the non EPO era?

The problem is ppl pointing to Wiggins in 2006 is absolutely meaningless, even if he had been concentrating on GC (not focussed on the track) he could at best have had a result like Boardman in the 90s (clean rider against doped up riders)

That is not to say he did or did not dope in 2009 (I don't thiink he did), but the line of argument of how he did in 2006 is a very poor.

 

[Ferminal]

Err, LeMond had already won the Tour twice and had many podiums before that happened, plus it has nothing to do with career progression. He podiumed the Tour on debut at the age of 24. Same story for pretty much all the greats.

Also be careful assuming that there was more doping going on in 2006 than a Tour dominated by Contador, Armstrong, the Schlecks and Andreas Klöden.

 

[gillan1969]

So what about someone who places 105th in Giro, then wins the tour the same season in the non EPO era?

The problem is ppl pointing to Wiggins in 2006 is absolutely meaningless, even if he had been concentrating on GC (not focussed on the track) he could at best have had a result like Boardman in the 90s (clean rider against doped up riders)

That is not to say he did or did not dope in 2009 (I don't thiink he did), but the line of argument of how he did in 2006 is a very poor.

lemond in '89 I assume

well...he was a double tour winner, winner of avenir, winner of etc etc etc

wiggins on the other hand.......

 

[blackcat]

"At the January 2004 Cofidis Team presentation, David Millar wearing the world champions winners band on his jersey (ITT) said 'I don't want to comment on this (Gaumont affair) - except to say that I have never used drugs, and I am convinced that this controversy doesn't include anyone else in the team. I wish to re-iterate I have never used illegal products'.

that was Froome's quote on the off-day no?

 

[blackcat]

lemond in '89 I assume

well...he was a double tour winner, winner of avenir, winner of etc etc etc

wiggins on the other hand.......

........on the other hand.......

wiggins

could
just


ride round in circles

pretty good