Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Cycle Chic]

Wiggins has displayed that there can be holes in his maintaining a level of class since then, but that's by the by.

I never said that Team Sky themselves were shrieking about the dirty Cobo beating the clean Froome, it was more fans (and the occasional retiring pro, I remember Charlie Wegelius tweeting something snarky along the lines of "Cobo? Really?") - but many of those fans are the same ones who cling to every BS justification Brailsford gives, and find themselves contorting realities to spin the contradictions into some cohesive narrative. Next step: Brailsford tries to convince everybody the conspiracy against Sky is so bad they need to move to Guyana and set up a new society.

On Walsh, it's just like Wiggins with Armstrong: you don't have to raze the ground. It's not always the right approach. But just because you aren't going to go for the scorched earth policy does not mean you have to go all the way to the other side. Getting on Armstrong's bad side would have been stupid for Wiggins - but lots of riders were able to get by without having to go out of their way to explicitly praise him like Wiggins did without getting ostracised like Bassons or Simeoni. And the same goes for Walsh here - he doesn't need to attack Sky, much as the Clinic might desperately want him to. But there's a difference between "not attacking Sky" and "blatantly re-posting PR". David Walsh is a guy who has plenty of credibility as a journalist, and it only serves to damage that credibility when he, of all people, starts providing the equivalent in-depth journalism to the CN articles from early 2010 about such important revolutionary exclusives as "Team Sky perfect sprint train in sprint training" and "Team Sky train for TT using TT bikes".

Walsh deserves more credit than that.

Whats he doing ? He's 'giving them the rope to hang themselves'. He's painting himself as the ultimate Sky Fanboy.....so when the truth comes out, the public will listen to David Walsh and what he has to say. I mean why would David Walsh not tell the truth now ?

 

[mikehammer67]

he may just be playing a very straight bat

if he comes up with something apart from speculation he may call them out


in the meantime assume the best.......


won't stop me having a go at a fellow irishman though

i mean that's what we do best...

 

[Galic Ho]

he may just be playing a very straight bat

if he comes up with something apart from speculation he may call them out


in the meantime assume the best.......


won't stop me having a go at a fellow irishman though

i mean that's what we do best...

That in itself is a RARE thing on this forum. Calling your own out first.

Kudos.

 

[silverrocket]

I think what Sky did was a classic piece of controlling the media by using "embedded journalism". This was first widely implemented when the USA invaded Iraq, where instead of having independent journalists reporting on what they saw, journalists were embedded with particular platoons and reported from that perspective alone. The result of this was much more positive reporting by the journalists, for two main reasons: 1-if they make the platoon look bad they lose their embedded status and are out of a job, and 2-they get to know the platoon personally, and are less likely to want to make their "friends" look bad. The grey of war was suddenly being reported in black and white, and all the American soldiers were suddenly heroes that never make the wrong decision in the heat of battle.

By allowing full access to Sky they did the same trick, as Walsh is now going to be less comfortable asking doping questions about people he knows personally, rather than more anonymous cyclists. He was already likely to have a professional bias since Sky employs him, he may also have a national bias, but getting close to Sky added a personal bias.

 

[Cycle Chic]

I think what Sky did was a classic piece of controlling the media by using "embedded journalism". This was first widely implemented when the USA invaded Iraq, where instead of having independent journalists reporting on what they saw, journalists were embedded with particular platoons and reported from that perspective alone. The result of this was much more positive reporting by the journalists, for two main reasons: 1-if they make the platoon look bad they lose their embedded status and are out of a job, and 2-they get to know the platoon personally, and are less likely to want to make their "friends" look bad. The grey of war was suddenly being reported in black and white, and all the American soldiers were suddenly heroes that never make the wrong decision in the heat of battle.

By allowing full access to Sky they did the same trick, as Walsh is now going to be less comfortable asking doping questions about people he knows personally, rather than more anonymous cyclists. He was already likely to have a professional bias since Sky employs him, he may also have a national bias, but getting close to Sky added a personal bias.

I don't hink that applies to Walsh...good post though and like your point. Walsh is unfortunately carrying the infamous label of The Man who Got Lance. To hold such a huge tag is hard to shake...so he's having to work hard to convince us that he is legit in his support of Sky.

If The Clinic diehards have been convinced then he's certainly doing well.

By divulging all the Spin and bullsh*t that Sky are giving us.....he's killing 2 birds with 1 stone. He's displaying all the evidence that Sky cannot deny later on.

 

[AICA ribonucleotide]

Here's what the person closest to Froome thinks of Walsh

And she's right, his tweeting of the Giro that day was embarrassing.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think what Sky did was a classic piece of controlling the media by using "embedded journalism". This was first widely implemented when the USA invaded Iraq, where instead of having independent journalists reporting on what they saw, journalists were embedded with particular platoons and reported from that perspective alone. The result of this was much more positive reporting by the journalists, for two main reasons: 1-if they make the platoon look bad they lose their embedded status and are out of a job, and 2-they get to know the platoon personally, and are less likely to want to make their "friends" look bad. The grey of war was suddenly being reported in black and white, and all the American soldiers were suddenly heroes that never make the wrong decision in the heat of battle.

By allowing full access to Sky they did the same trick, as Walsh is now going to be less comfortable asking doping questions about people he knows personally, rather than more anonymous cyclists. He was already likely to have a professional bias since Sky employs him, he may also have a national bias, but getting close to Sky added a personal bias.

Nice analogy. I agree. Feel similarly re: RaceRadio having special lunches with Richie Porte in Monaco and declaring him squeaky clean.

Liggett looked Lance in the eye and that's how he knew Lance was clean. Sitting across from the cycling mega star. In his private jet.

 

[IndianCyclist]

I think what Sky did was a classic piece of controlling the media by using "embedded journalism". This was first widely implemented when the USA invaded Iraq, where instead of having independent journalists reporting on what they saw, journalists were embedded with particular platoons and reported from that perspective alone. The result of this was much more positive reporting by the journalists, for two main reasons: 1-if they make the platoon look bad they lose their embedded status and are out of a job, and 2-they get to know the platoon personally, and are less likely to want to make their "friends" look bad. The grey of war was suddenly being reported in black and white, and all the American soldiers were suddenly heroes that never make the wrong decision in the heat of battle.

By allowing full access to Sky they did the same trick, as Walsh is now going to be less comfortable asking doping questions about people he knows personally, rather than more anonymous cyclists. He was already likely to have a professional bias since Sky employs him, he may also have a national bias, but getting close to Sky added a personal bias.

Spot on with the psychology aspect.
But Walsh took on LA when he was considered the messiah of cycling and there was no profit in that. He & others certainly suffered a lot for that. I think he has at least enough integrity to report any blatant doping. He would be willing to forgo reporting on things like TUEs and cortisone for knee injuries etc for the sake of maintaining his contact with the team. He has complete access to the riders & support staff but i doubt he has access to the complete medical program of Sky which would be sort of a trade secret of Sky.

 

[mikehammer67]

i doubt he has access to the complete medical program of Sky which would be sort of a trade secret of Sky.

that is true

 

[blackcat]

Here's what the person closest to Froome thinks of Walsh

And she's right, his tweeting of the Giro that day was embarrassing.

aw man. imagine the shrew cound is gonna be when he kicks her to the curb like kik

 

[blackcat]

aw man. imagine the shrew cound is gonna be with he kicks her to the curb like kik

cound = cypher for Froome dog pre-divorce
cound = WADA's number one source post divorce

 

[barn yard]

froome's choice of partner says a lot about him

 

[Benotti69]

cound = cypher for Froome dog pre-divorce
cound = WADA's number one source post divorce

he is gonna need to win a few more TdF's before that ends

 

[darwin553]

froome's choice of partner says a lot about him

Is she a dawg herself?

 

[Ripper]

Tailwind today will = Full F*cking ***. Can blame it all on the wind assist to render power estimates meaningless

 

[Northern Monkey]

Yessss, the Dawg has gone full fcking ***

 

[Alphabet]

Porte looking very good today.

 

[sartoris]

How much more ridiculous this can get ? Not much, I hope.

 

[Carlo Algatrensig]

How much more ridiculous this can get ? Not much, I hope.

Perhaps at his rest day press conference Froome could find a lake, don a pair of waterskis and jump a shark.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

it was headwind on the final part of the climb, Ten Dam said so.

 

[Benotti69]

it was headwind on the final part of the climb, Ten Dam said so.

Yes it was, you could see the flags blowing on TV.

 

[sniper]

still no thread on mollema and ten dam.
when and where did these guys learn to climb like that? not in the netherlands, that's for sure.
mollema had never before gone up the ventoux, not even in training.

 

[the sceptic]

still no thread on mollema and ten dam.
when and where did these guys learn to climb like that? not in the netherlands, that's for sure.
mollema had never before gone up the ventoux, not even in training.

maybe Dr Geert is back

 

[Benotti69]

maybe Dr Geert is back

It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Administering Sky style 'marginal gains' to Belkins Boys.

 

[BYOP88]

still no thread on mollema and ten dam.
when and where did these guys learn to climb like that? not in the netherlands, that's for sure.
mollema had never before gone up the ventoux, not even in training.

You're more than welcome to start 1.

As for where they learnt to climb, no idea. But you could say where did Froome learn to ride, after all he came from the jungle and there were no roads there.

Froome only went up Ventoux last month, when he filmed something for ES.