Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Gewiss at Fleche 94

1. Argentin
2. Furlan
3. Berzin
4th @ 1.14

Sky at Ventoux 13

1. Froome
15. Porte
45. Kennaugh

I'm not seeing the parallels. Every time they go up Ventoux, somebody wins. And Froome did the climb slower than they did in 2009 when everyone moaned that nobody seemed to want to race.

People could call this baiting, because, you, Parker, know, someone will call you a moron for this.

And the person who does this will get a ban for this.

Well. Parker, I call you a moron for this.

 

[McLovin]

Look, the team is in front of the group in Montreal. That's enough for me. They're doping. Not to mention the cadence. Who you think you're fooling, Brailsford?

 

[Parker]

People could call this baiting, because, you, Parker, know, someone will call you a moron for this.

And the person who does this will get a ban for this.

Well. Parker, I call you a moron for this.

Perhaps if you put forward some reasoning for this view you might not be banned.

Am I a moron for think that there is nothing particularly extraordinary in a rider winning a race? And in a fairly moderate time too.

I'm fortunate to have been watching cycling before EPO came along. I saw some remarkable rides. The sort of rides that would have most of you rushing to your keyboards so register your displeasure. I've seen it all before so I don't get worked up every time someone elevates themselves above the mundane.

 

[coinneach]

People could call this baiting, because, you, Parker, know, someone will call you a moron for this.

And the person who does this will get a ban for this.

Well. Parker, I call you a moron for this.

This sort of post really p****s me off on this site.

If the earlier comment is moronic, why not explain where its wrong?
Me, I don't know either way, but some of the comments sure p*** me off

 

[SundayRider]

So what happened to Tiernan-Locke ? Unwilling to 'prepare' and work as hard as the others?

 

[EnacheV]

So what happened to Tiernan-Locke ? Unwilling to 'prepare' and work as hard as the others?

Go ask him, i heard he trains a lot on the same roads around his home

He acts like a lonely Rambo so im sure if Sky asked him to take something illegal he will be more that happy to wreak havoc on them.

 

[SundayRider]

Go ask him, i heard he trains a lot on the same roads around his home

He acts like a lonely Rambo so im sure if Sky asked him to take something illegal he will be more that happy to wreak havoc on them.

Sky take on a good rider with good results - he does nothing this year. Yet Sky's methods produce Chris Fromme

 

[Cycle Chic]

I think we,ve all lost the will to comment or care. The Clinic is dying a slow death.

 

[EnacheV]

Sky take on a good rider with good results - he does nothing this year. Yet Sky's methods produce Chris Fromme

maybe he is not that good

I think we,ve all lost the will to comment or care. The Clinic is dying a slow death.

i was always wondering from where is this energy to talk so much about so little

 

[Catwhoorg]

Sky take on a good rider with good results - he does nothing this year. Yet Sky's methods produce Chris Fromme

Wasn't last year everyone saying JTL was on something?
Maybe he was and now he is with Sky maybe he isn't ?

In several places he has been interviewed and said he found Kerrigan's training methods too tough. Expect his training to be adjusted and him to be better next year (though still not going to get any race leaderships)

 

[Benotti69]

Wasn't last year everyone saying JTL was on something?
Maybe he was and now he is with Sky maybe he isn't ?

In several places he has been interviewed and said he found Kerrigan's training methods too tough. Expect his training to be adjusted and him to be better next year (though still not going to get any race leaderships)

Not believing that. The 'Master of Detail' takes on a 'talented' rider and he under performs because the training is too tough. BS.

 

[EnacheV]

Not believing that. The 'Master of Detail' takes on a 'talented' rider and he under performs because the training is too tough. BS.

So JTL doped Sky version is worse than last year JTL clean NetApp version ? Only if Sky dope them with cookies and bigmac's

 

[Netserk]

Or maybe he pulled a 'Sir Wiggo' and tuned down his dope after landing a big fat contract (or maybe he tuned it down because he now is a part of the passport, which I don't think he was last year). With the lesser amount of dope he can't handle the workload from the training and performs absolutely poorly.

Could be, could be something else.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

So JTL doped Sky version is worse than last year JTL clean NetApp version ? Only if Sky dope them with cookies and bigmac's

JTL was on the McQ clan doping program (check out JTL's agent) last year in order to beef up contact values and fees. This is not difficult to figure out. Everybody should be able to follow the stuff.

 

[del1962]

JTL was on the McQ clan doping program (check out JTL's agent) last year in order to beef up contact values and fees. This is not difficult to figure out. Everybody should be able to follow the stuff.

A new proof of doping, a McQuaid as an agent, so Nico was on this program before he joined up with Bjarne?

 

[gooner]

This is proof Deignan will do nothing next year.

 

[Ferminal]

Yes, JTL is clearly part of the Froome/Porte A-Team.

 

[Benotti69]

So JTL doped Sky version is worse than last year JTL clean NetApp version ? Only if Sky dope them with cookies and bigmac's

A rider goes from Conti team to Sky after an early season win and posters are wondering how many TdFs he will win at sky. Then he does an EBH and no one is suspicious! Sky have so many questions to answer about riders and not the crap Brailsford feeds the cycling 'copy and paste monkeys' posing as journalists.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Which rider on the Sky roster other than Froome is overachieving???

 

[William H]

Which rider on the Sky roster other than Froome is overachieving???

Porte and Wiggins I guess

 

[Netserk]

Which rider on the Sky roster other than Froome is overachieving???

Overachieving compared to what? Clean, or doped on another team?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Porte and Wiggins I guess

Why Porte? T-10 with Sax at Giro. Even minus the 16-mis-break he´d have made it.
Even tough i doubt Wiggins very much, he had his outbreak well before, with the clean team GAR. Can´t blame that on Sky.

Overachieving compared to what? Clean, or doped on another team?

I think everybody is more or less on the same level (doping wise). Except RSH, maybe Movistar. They are not the masters there at Sky...
So to answer your Q, compared to other teams/riders in general.

 

[Netserk]

Why Porte? T-10 with Sax at Giro. Even minus the 16-mis-break he´d have made it.
Even tough i doubt Wiggins very much, he had his outbreak well before, with the clean team GAR. Can´t blame that on Sky.

He had his outbreak with BC, which basically means he had it with Sky.

I think everybody is more or less on the same level (doping wise). Except RSH, maybe Movistar. They are not the masters there at Sky...
So to answer your Q, compared to other teams/riders in general.

So that's the second option?

 

[Afrank]

Why Porte? T-10 with Sax at Giro. Even minus the 16-mis-break he´d have made it.

With Sky he also won PN, and placed 2nd at Pais Vasco, the Dauphine, and Criterium international. Aside from his Giro top 10, his other best results at Saxo were mostly some high placing's in TT's, and a couple top 10's at some smaller stage races. Not to mention the pivotal role he's played in Froomes train as Froomes last man to reduce whatever was left of the peloton down to a select group of only the best.

 

[The Hitch]

Why Porte? T-10 with Sax at Giro. Even minus the 16-mis-break he´d have made it.
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No he probably wouldn't.

What you are trying to say (im assuming) is that if you take away 12 minutes from portes time he would in theory still end up in the top 10.

That ignores the fact that the Laquilla break also gave him a team of domestiques (including CAS) at his disposal.

It also meant that plenty of people that would have easily beaten Porte for top 10, gave up on it and started working as domestiques or looking for stage wins.

Half the peloton could top 10 a giro if you remove most of the contenders from the equation and give them CAS as a superdomestique.

Your beloved Chris Horner could have probably top 10'd any gt from the late 90's if you gave him those 2 things.