Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[JRanton]

Sean Yates: ''To be brutally honest, there is no one at Sky who knows much about bike riding.''


Ouch...

 

[Baltazar]

Well, it probably is harder to recover from hard training without the magic juice...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Sean Yates: ''To be brutally honest, there is no one at Sky who knows much about bike riding.''


Ouch...

Is this on twitter? Where?

Funny how Yates manages to forget about the coaching wunderkind they hired back in 2010 - Kerrison. Champion maker of champion cyclists.

 

[EnacheV]

comparable to Lance Armstrong's 'natural engine'.

sorry for just reporting this post can you unreport stuff? don;t want to load mods with uselles stuff

i thought the thread is in the main forum.

for The Clinic standards this is a pretty moderate comment

 

[EnacheV]

Sean Yates: ''To be brutally honest, there is no one at Sky who knows much about bike riding.''


Ouch...

imagine the domination when they will learn, in the end bike riding is not over complicated

 

[Papa Kel]

The Clinic/twitter got Yates the sack.

How do we sleep at night....

 

[JRanton]

Is this on twitter? Where?

Funny how Yates manages to forget about the coaching wunderkind they hired back in 2010 - Kerrison. Champion maker of champion cyclists.

You can read most of the quotes here: http://road.cc/content/news/93418-s...y-quit-2012-tour-de-france-after-chris-froome

Yates added that he had been offered a role with another top team, but turned it down partly because he can see Froome dominating the sport for the next few years.

“It was a big team, big money,” he revealed.

“But, in my opinion, Chris Froome is too good for anyone to unsettle him. If there were cracks in his armour, that would be more motivating.”

Saxobank/Riis?

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Sean Yates: ''To be brutally honest, there is no one at Sky who knows much about bike riding.''


Ouch...

I don't think they were any less inept tactically when Yates was there

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Sorry to poke in here, but I think a lot of people are more suspicious of his transformation from grupetto fodder to Tour contender in 2009 than they are of his subsequent marginal gains. And I say that last bit somewhat tongue in cheek but it does describe his improvement after 2009 pretty well.

In other words, for me and a lot of others it's not his change from '09 to '12 that seems unbelievable.

Hey, by all means jump in...
I have read a lot of about people's opinions about whether Wiggins might have been clean in 2009. A lot of it sits with whether you buy into JV and his anti-doping policy. But even in that case it sounds like JV and Wiggins were not exactly best friends...

There is also the argument that Wiggins in 2006 interviews like someone that is genuinely anti-doping? Skip forward a few years and you are a bone idle wan*ker. Though, to be fair, I can see why this might be the case with many people here. Maybe he should have tried to have raced in the American scene. That way he could have argued he always had some talent?

 

[Ferminal]

You can probably count on one hand the people who think JV is complicit in doping at Slipstream.

 

[bobbins]

I don't think they were any less inept tactically when Yates was there

The day Porte cracked and Froome was isolated, Dave B was falling apart. He wasn't on the phone to the DS in the car thats for sure. He was calling the very people he'd tried to shaft 6 months previously.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

You can probably count on one hand the people who think JV is complicit in doping at Slipstream.

There seem plenty of people who do not buy what JV was selling circa 2006.

 

[Ferminal]

I don't buy what JV is selling in 2013, but just because he talks **** doesn't mean his actions are sinister.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I think his selling rate would be better after he completed his MBA but i doubt some of us will buy it, regardless.

 

[JRanton]

Relative to the Froome, Porte, and the rest of the Tour team, they are.

Obviously if they transferred to some other team, one lacking in climbers/GC riders, then they would be outright leaders, but Sky have an embarrassment of riches and as such neither Uran or Henao are in that elite group.

All this A Team talk is crying out for a Mr. T quote.

Oh come on, don't be daft. The Giro team was arguably stronger than their Tour team this year, leaders aside (Froome/Wiggins), and who on earth would you consider to be better than Henao and Uran on that Tour team aside from Froome and Porte?

Porte, Kennaugh, Thomas, Siutsou (tired having already ridden the Giro), Lopez, Kiryienka, EBH, Stannard.

Versus

Uran, Henao, Cataldo, Siutsou, Knees, Zandio, Puccio, Pate.


The Giro was a very big target for Sky this year (as were the classics). Sky Italia own 25% of the team and they have an Italian bike supplier. That's not to say the Tour wasn't the team's biggest goal, because it undoubtedly is for pretty much every team in the peloton, but clearly they have other races that are also major targets.

 

[Alphabet]

I would take EBH and Kennaugh ahead of Pate and Zandio, and perhaps Kiriyenka over Cataldo.

 

[heart_attack_man]

A recent tweet by @PaulKimmage I found to be quite telling:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 8 Sep
@MattCon70 Wish I had some idea what the norm is, Matt. Wiggins? Froome? Horner? You'll need a better man than me to explain it.

To be fair, this was in relation to a question about Horner and what is 'normal'...

This to me tells me he's not exactly a true-believer of Sky.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

any great clinic thinkers who can explain sky's total failure since the tour? wrong bloodbags?

 

[hrotha]

any great clinic thinkers who can explain sky's total failure since the tour? wrong bloodbags?

Trying to make those outside the inner circle train just as hard as those within is a possibility.

You can overtrain regardless of how much you dope anyway.

 

[JimmyFingers]

The focus of this team from the get go has been to win the Tour de France. Stated goal. Not really debatable.

If they want to target the classics they will need to hire a classics team of note. Not the goal, so they don't do it and do the best they can with who they have.

Their classics team is not their A team.

They have won every race they've targeted, easily. To argue they are "average" being the #1 team in the world by a wide margin, having won the last two tours which is their stated team goal, is (again) preposterous.

Surprised you are so privy to Sky's inner working.

This is wholly subjective interpretation, and plenty of people can present different ones. Undoubtedly the Tour was the main focus, but relegating the rest of their attempts to the B team is revisionist and a misrepresentation.

You also contradict yourself: The TdF team had three men from the classics squad in Stannard, Thomas and EBH, yet the classics team isn't the A team but the TdF team is? Sky talked up their chances in the classics and failed.

The Giro was also a big target, they sent a very strong team and again failed.

Trentino, Pais Vasco and Adriatico-Tirreno were also targets and in each they got mussged, twice by Nibali and once by Quintana.

The Vuelta is pretty much a write off, stage win apart.

 

[Alphabet]

any great clinic thinkers who can explain sky's total failure since the tour? wrong bloodbags?

No team can ever win/dominate every race it enters.

 

[the sceptic]

any great clinic thinkers who can explain sky's total failure since the tour? wrong bloodbags?

Not enough tailwind.

 

[BYOP88]

Not enough tailwind.

I thought that Radioshack booked the wind machine for this race?

 

[sniper]

any great clinic thinkers who can explain sky's total failure since the tour? wrong bloodbags?

total failure?
you need to be in good shape to pull of what kiryenka pulled off yesterday.

can we put this season's sky dominance in a historical perspective? Have there ever been teams more dominant over a whole season than sky has been this season? (honest question)

 

[red_flanders]

total failure?
you need to be in good shape to pull of what kiryenka pulled off yesterday.

can we put this season's sky dominance in a historical perspective? Have there ever been teams more dominant over a whole season than sky has been this season? (honest question)

You must have missed the pages of discussion on how "average" they've been this year.