Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

Usual suspects, I'd say in your case it's the usual non-information. Good to know that FDJ, Europcar and Radioshack have thehog seal of approval though.

An opinion but not fact.

You keep belivin' Jimmy.

Froome is cleans

 

[Taxus4a]

It's just that if we're discussing Julich, Yates, Leinders and Motoman I feel like I've just walked through a time warp.

Sky are a cycling team. They've had some dodgy people working for them. Like every other cycling team. Unlike every other cycling team they fired them. But still they are at fault for not being more forgiving of ex-dopers, although they should have never hired them in the first place because of their ztp.

So they're wrong for having a ztp and trying to be demonstrably clean, they're wrong for hiring controversial figures from within cycling who have been associated with doping, they're wrong for sticking with the ztp and firing them although they would be under even greater suspicion if they were all still working there, although firing them promotes omerta but also increases the innuendo surrounding the team.

Pointing out someone with a murky past in the pro-peloton is like shooting fish in a barrel.

it is a pity my english is so bad, but you say exactly the suitable words I would say.

 

[webbie146]

I can and I also think Sky have been at worst caught out by trusting the wrong people (Leinders and Motoman both being recommended to the team by DS's we now know are dodgy).

lol so a average cycling fan like me knows Leinders and Motoman are trouble, but professionals from sky have no clue when hiring them? Damn I should apply for a job there.

 

[the sceptic]

it is a pity my english is so bad, but you say exactly the suitable words I would say.

I always thought of you as the non british version of martinfingers

 

[thrawn]

it is a pity my english is so bad, but you say exactly the suitable words I would say.

Well I can guarantee your English is better than most native English speaker's Spanish. Keep it up!

 

[MatParker117]

Once maybe. Twice? Three times?

They just keep hiring them didn't they?

What might be passed off as a mistake just once becomes much more the 2nd and 3rd, 4th times.

Bet you couldn't name dodgy employees at FDJ, Eurpoacar and RadioShack?

It's not all Jimmy. Not all.

Not the best example of clean cycling.

 

[thehog]

Not the best example of clean cycling.

I don't know.

Their Vuelta winner released his bio and some of his SRM files.

That's a long way from the secrecy of your boys.

Any details when Sky plan it release this information or at least some of it?

Shouldn't be a problem with ZTP

Trek dropped Armstrong. Removed Bruyneel.

Sky are still hanging out with Motoman. Still.

But it's a good question. What is clean cycling?

 

[Digger]

Froome won't even release his VO2 max ffs

 

[EnacheV]

Froome won't even release his VO2 max ffs

From the sea of fiction **** surrounding Froome i think this is the only real small alarm bell so far.

If it was high Sky would have no problem making it public. One can think it's not spectacular and would make a good fuel for doping talk.

 

[del1962]

From the sea of fiction **** surrounding Froome i think this is the only real small alarm bell so far.

If it was high Sky would have no problem making it public. One can think it's not spectacular and would make a good fuel for doping talk.

What does VO2 max mean, the 72 Gold and 76 Silver Olympic marathon runner is recorded to have a VO2 max of 71.3, I have seen a Vo2 max figure for the first guy to break 2 hours 10 minutes for a marathon of 69.7. All this was before Oxygen Vector doping.

 

[Taxus4a]

From the sea of fiction **** surrounding Froome i think this is the only real small alarm bell so far.

If it was high Sky would have no problem making it public. One can think it's not spectacular and would make a good fuel for doping talk.

But SKy give importance to that data, so they consider his rivals could use. His advantage is science and tecnollogy, so they could lose potential. They dont need to make public.

I would like they do it, and I hope Cookson change this and everybody have to make public all the data.

But right now if they dont need to make public thare is nothing to say.

When Julich star to test froome said: this have no sense, his are numbers of a TdF podium gay, this mus be calibrated wrong.

So I think they refer as well to his VO2 max

 

[WonderLance]

When Julich star to test froome said: this have no sense, his are numbers of a TdF podium gay, this mus be calibrated wrong.

So I think they refer as well to his VO2 max

Obviously sky pick the best gay tallent. Other teams were too short sighted to see that frooom was going to be a champion. Using skys special testing and tactics they have been able to get results out of froom that know body else could.

 

[veganrob]

Would you explain how having Froome's Vo2 max being made public could help his rivals. If his advantage is science and technology then his actual Score would make not one bit of difference. All teams are looking for an edge regardless.

 

[del1962]

Would you explain how having Froome's Vo2 max being made public could help his rivals. If his advantage is science and technology then his actual Score would make not one bit of difference. All teams are looking for an edge regardless.

What could anyone proove with respect to doping from his VO2 max, just a complete red herring, imo, really don't know why ppl get on there high horses about this

 

[veganrob]

What could anyone proove with respect to doping from his VO2 max, just a complete red herring, imo, really don't know why ppl get on there high horses about this

That is exactly what I am saying. I am not hinting or referrring to any possible doping. I am just asking Taxus how it will help rivals by having it public.

 

[Taxus4a]

You can read the article on my sign if want an answer to your comentary. It is long, but sure you have some time in some days.

it is not something to explain in two lines.

 

[Taxus4a]

That is exactly what I am saying. I am not hinting or referrring to any possible doping. I am just asking Taxus how it will help rivals by having it public.

I dont know, I said is a possibility. Now in cycling are importants things that in the doping era had no sense, so maybe thay have a motivation in that.
if i were journalist, that would be a question I ll ask to SKy, and a lot of more...

But to be some question to ask, it doest mean that they dope

 

[Digger]

But SKy give importance to that data, so they consider his rivals could use. His advantage is science and tecnollogy, so they could lose potential. They dont need to make public.

I would like they do it, and I hope Cookson change this and everybody have to make public all the data.

But right now if they dont need to make public thare is nothing to say.

When Julich star to test froome said: this have no sense, his are numbers of a TdF podium gay, this mus be calibrated wrong.

So I think they refer as well to his VO2 max

Mods can we ban this homophobic f***er?

 

[Digger]

So if I am Alberto and I know froome's VO2 max, that gives me an edge....

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So if I am Alberto and I know froome's VO2 max, that gives me an edge....

Why is that? Albertito didnt want to tell his VO2 to the grand public after Verbiers...

Froomes numbers mean nothing when you dont know his numbers of the Tour de Pologne 2011.

 

[Digger]

Why is that? Albertito didnt want to tell his VO2 to the grand public after Verbiers...

Froomes numbers mean nothing when you dont know his numbers of the Tour de Pologne 2011.

That's what I am saying - it's ridiculous to think that's why sky won't hand it out...unless you are doping.

 

[martinvickers]

So if I am Alberto and I know froome's VO2 max, that gives me an edge....

If you and your team knew Froome's, or anyone elses, exact maximal capabilities, why would it NOT help you make tactical decisions? Why is that funny, I don't understand...

 

[Alex76]

Remember when Sky released those froome files during or after this years tdf.... No VO2 info - because we were told they have. Ever done a test on him.

So come on people.... Stop asking for something Sky can't do, The Dawgs VO2 has never been measured

 

[Netserk]

If you and your team knew Froome's, or anyone elses, exact maximal capabilities, why would it NOT help you make tactical decisions? Why is that funny, I don't understand...

VO2 Max is *not* "exact maximal capabilities"...

 

[thehog]

Remember when Sky released those froome files during or after this years tdf.... No VO2 info - because we were told they have. Ever done a test on him.

So come on people.... Stop asking for something Sky can't do, The Dawgs VO2 has never been measured

JV said there was some mystery hidden test in Aigle that even he hadn't seen which said the Dawgs VO2 was off the charts.

It's locked in a safe and no one has the keys.