Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[TheGame]

Cool.

No one saying Horner is clean.

But Sky/Froome need to ante up.

They are clocked in secrecy. And this latest Motoman revelation is just a other nail in the Sky/doping saga.

Transparency from Team Sky ZTP wouldn't go astray.

But is the motoman revelation a revelation. We knew about this months ago. And Sky riders were banned from associating him once it came out who he was.

 

[thehog]

But is the motoman revelation a revelation. We knew about this months ago. And Sky riders were banned from associating him once it came out who he was.

Banned? Really.

How do you ban a mechanic?

I used to get banned from seeing Jonny Eleves down the road. He was older and used to smoke.

 

[sniper]

Cheers.

Could you send us all a copy of the data?

Specially pre-Vuelta 2011.

Oh that's right, not released.

Horner released his SRM and bio to the public. Any updates when Froome might do so?

backdated cortisone tue? ferrari link? mobbing riders who speak out? hospital room incident? screw that.
imo not releasing those pre-vuelta2011 data was a bigger red flag for froome than any of those were for lance.

to buy into that, you gotta have some serious whool pulled over the eyes.

 

[EnacheV]

backdated cortisone tue? ferrari link? mobbing riders who speak out? hospital room incident? screw that.
imo not releasing those pre-vuelta2011 data was a bigger red flag for froome than any of those were for lance.

seriously, answering this kind of stuff make me look like a troll, but it's not my fault.

 

[martinvickers]

Do you think Fred Grappe had to sign a document given the fact he is aligned with FDJ?[?QUOTE]

I've no idea. Do you? Have you asked him?

It is BS vickers. Even a child can do a google search and realise what Sky is doing reeeeeeks. For instance;


Okay, lets move on:
vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 8 augustus
#TDF, Stage 20. MTF Semnoz. Alejandro Valverde ["61 kg"].
37:30 — SRM 360.1 W.
36:38 — DrF: 356.5 W. (vs. SRM -1.00%). CPL: 364.3W (+1.17%).

Followed by:
http://www.movistarteam.com/equipo/alejandro-valverde
Valverde = 61 kilo

Third week Tour, lets say a kilo lossed:
360.1/60 = 6w/k on Semnoz for Allejandroito

Froome was only 1 minute 13 seconds faster.

With that info release by Movistar [why do they release data and sky dont?], people dont need to see the SRM file of FRoome/Sky to know what is BS and what is not.

And here we ago again with the unverified and unverifiable assumptions, and we are supposed to take them as gospel for the purposes of exact mathematical calculations?

Jesus wept.

 

[martinvickers]

No.

JV said his test was "off the charts".

Be good if you could concentrate on the detail rather than deriding me.

Play the ball not the man Martin.

I never played you. You played me, making an unnecessary and facetious comment about my posting style. I simply responded that I wouldn't use a word.

Don't be a liar, Hog. And yes,you, hog, you play the ball.

Back to the content at hand. If JV believes there is a test of Froome, conducted pre-Sky, perhaps Chris should release it, no?

To temper the questions of his performances?

Thoughts?

Should he? Not sure. Not convinced the questions of the clinicians are worth wasting much time on; doubts of the media, maybe so. Not sure.

More to the point, can he? Does he have those results? He was the subject of the test, someone else was performing it. Is there an intellectual property or privacy issue? Idon't know. Has anyone asked him?

 

[thehog]

Do you think Fred Grappe had to sign a document given the fact he is aligned with FDJ?[?QUOTE]

I've no idea. Do you? Have you asked him?



And here we ago again with the unverified and unverifiable assumptions, and we are supposed to take them as gospel for the purposes of exact mathematical calculations?

Jesus wept.

I think Jesus is weeping because Sky, with their ZTP and all that, refuse to release any data, weight, SRMs, anything, really.

One can only make the conclusions they do.

Transparency wouldn't go astray in this new era of clean cycling and roadside comedy syringes.

Transparency Martin.

 

[gooner]

Cool.

No one saying Horner is clean.

But Sky/Froome need to ante up.

They are clocked in secrecy. And this latest Motoman revelation is just a other nail in the Sky/doping saga.

Transparency from Team Sky ZTP wouldn't go astray.

Not the new revelation that you like to paint out. From over a year ago.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1024813&postcount=19

So we have Sky riders, Radioshack riders and Gilbert that use him. And in the Times article he says around 80% of riders in the area use him.

Ferrari eat your heart out.

One more thing, Frankie said he didn't even know about Motoman until Tyler's book and you think teams and riders are going to him to with full knowledge of his past. Come on. This was probably the best kept secret thing that went on regarding Lance/USPS.

 

[DirtyWorks]

says the "Alex Roussel, the WCC's head mechanic"

rofl, the most probable talent spotter. probably he is reffering to Froomes low ability with screws and bolts

I'm going to let the personal attack slide because you have made an interesting point for me.

Do you think, for one minute, if the guy had numbers like a Lemond they'd need a quote from anyone? He'd have results like a Lemond Hinault, like his Colombian teammate Uran who still finished the WC! Nope. Nothing. There's that one race in South Africa though...

It's okay, you believe. I'm not going to change that. Please stop attacking me personally for disagreeing with you.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

JV said there was some mystery hidden test in Aigle that even he hadn't seen which said the Dawgs VO2 was off the charts.

It's locked in a safe and no one has the keys.

No.

JV said his test was "off the charts".

Be good if you could concentrate on the detail rather than deriding me.

Play the ball not the man Martin.

Back to the content at hand. If JV believes there is a test of Froome, conducted pre-Sky, perhaps Chris should release it, no?

To temper the questions of his performances?

Thoughts?

I see TheHog has been busy today being TheHog.

Lets see what JV wroteand if it was a secret test that was "off the charts".

just was given some from his barloworld time. rather crude, old fashioned vo2 tests, but still. i never conducted any myself. i've heard of some big numbers when he was at the cycling center in agile, but i never saw those.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I think Jesus is weeping because Sky, with their ZTP and all that, refuse to release any data, weight, SRMs, anything, really.

You missed the interview where Brailsford claims the public wouldn't know what to do with the data anyway. Because there's NO ONE AT ALL in the athletics research world qualified to make sense of the data. Nobody at all! And all critical thinkers are conspiracy nuts. Awesome, right?

You have to give Sky some credit. They didn't make the Armstrong mistake of posting dodgy values claiming maximum transparency. They just pretend Sky science is too sophisticated for the PhD in haemotology rubes.

 

[Avoriaz]

Do you think, for one minute, if the guy had numbers like a Lemond they'd need a quote from anyone? He'd have results like a Lemond Hinault, like his Colombian teammate Uran who still finished the WC! Nope. Nothing. There's that one race in South Africa though..

Do you think for one minute if Froome did release his data, VO2 and other, people would believe it? Horner has released his and the accuracy of his weight is questioned for example.

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Those who need to see his data have his data.

 

[thehog]

I see TheHog has been busy today being TheHog.

Lets see what JV wroteand if it was a secret test that was "off the charts".

Big numbers.

Big numbers that weren't big numbers. JV talkin' it up again.

I couldn't been bothered finding JVs quote. My photographic memory was enough.

Big numbers.

Thanks for the link. Saved me the time.

Cheers.

 

[Benotti69]

Do you think for one minute if Froome did release his data, VO2 and other, people would believe it? Horner has released his and the accuracy of his weight is questioned for example.

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Those who need to see his data have his data.

Like who? Grappe the guy who gave Armstrong his blessing?

It doesn't matter if they're damned by releasing data, they do it because they insisted they were going to be the team that was transparent. But then they closed the door very quickly on that.

Not releasing data becuase of the psuedo scienctists is BS. Bet Sky are afraid Ashenden would rip through it and declare it not clean!

 

[thehog]

Like who? Grappe the guy who gave Armstrong his blessing?

It doesn't matter if they're damned by releasing data, they do it because they insisted they were going to be the team that was transparent. But then they closed the door very quickly on that.

Not releasing data becuase of the psuedo scienctists is BS. Bet Sky are afraid Ashenden would rip through it and declare it not clean!

Very true. You had JV dropping hints that Horner's profile looked like a Tour pancours.

He releases it and silence.

Where are all the pseudo scientists?

Now Norner is doping but his bio said jack and not conclusive on a whole lot other than the passport is a big fat joke.

So Froome needs to pony up as does Brailsford.

Come on lads, lets 'ave it!

 

[Digger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtIhzY16iy0

Watch this from around 3m 15secs and how prickly he immediately gets

Now almost three months and still no data from before 2011 Vuelta or VO2 Max.

 

[martinvickers]

You missed the interview where Brailsford claims the public wouldn't know what to do with the data anyway. Because there's NO ONE AT ALL in the athletics research world qualified to make sense of the data. Nobody at all! And all critical thinkers are conspiracy nuts. Awesome, right?

You have to give Sky some credit. They didn't make the Armstrong mistake of posting dodgy values claiming maximum transparency. They just pretend Sky science is too sophisticated for the PhD in haemotology rubes.

Do YOU have a PhD in haemotology? Can you point me to the Clinic posters who do? Thanks very much...

 

[sniper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtIhzY16iy0

Watch this from around 3m 15secs and how prickly he immediately gets

Now almost three months and still no data from before 2011 Vuelta or VO2 Max.

he's all over the place from 3:15 onwards.
swallowing, stuttering, increased use of discourse markers, aggressive body language, vague answers.

 

[Benotti69]

Do YOU have a PhD in haemotology? Can you point me to the Clinic posters who do? Thanks very much...

Sky are scared that someone pays an Ashenden (or for the good of sport he does it off his own back) to analyse the samples and then they will be caught.

 

[thehog]

he's all over the place from 3:15 onwards.
swallowing, stuttering, increased use of discourse markers, aggressive body language, vague answers.

Would buy a used car from this man?

 

[thehog]

Do YOU have a PhD in haemotology? Can you point me to the Clinic posters who do? Thanks very much...

Haematology, Martin.

Once you were corrected on peleton, which is peloton.

You're now messing up haematology.

It's not haemOtology.

How can I take anything you say seriously?

I mean, seriously? Do you read what you write before you hit 'submit reply'?

 

[martinvickers]

Sky are scared that someone pays an Ashenden (or for the good of sport he does it off his own back) to analyse the samples and then they will be caught.

So that's a no then. thanks.

The rest is purest homespun conjecture. No need for further comment on that.

 

[martinvickers]

Haematology, Martin.

Once you were corrected on peleton, which is peloton.

You're now messing up haematology.

It's not hamOTology.

How can I take anything you say seriously?

I mean, seriously? Do you read what you write before you hit 'submit reply'?

Ball, not man, Hog. My typing/spelling is not your concern.

Now stop attempting to derail the thread. The rules apply to you, too.

 

[thehog]

Ball, not man, Hog. My typing/spelling is not your concern.

Now stop attempting to derail the thread. The rules apply to you, too.

Not at all.

Now get the Sky boys to show a good faith gesture and release their blood values.

Just like Honer has.

There's the lad.

What's to be scared of?

 

[Benotti69]

So that's a no then. thanks.

The rest is purest homespun conjecture. No need for further comment on that.

There is no need for you to comment.