Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[DirtyWorks]

2 brands co-operating is not a level field. I am not surprised by ASO as they never had a problem with doping.

Recently, yes.

Go back to when Patrice Clerc ran the event. He caused anti-doping trouble.

Somewhere, there's a very nice, long article of the ASO and their changes in anti-doping. I believe it was over at Inner Ring, but I can't be certain.

 

[Benotti69]

Recently, yes.

Go back to when Patrice Clerc ran the event. He caused anti-doping trouble.

Somewhere, there's a very nice, long article of the ASO and their changes in anti-doping. I believe it was over at Inner Ring, but I can't be certain.

Clerc was the only one and he was sent packing by ASO which kind of proves my point that ASO doesn't have a problem with what riders take.

 

[oldcrank]

2 brands co-operating is not a level field.

The world will become a very sad place when co-operation
is seen as a bad thing, my friend.

 

[Benotti69]

The world will become a very sad place when co-operation
is seen as a bad thing, my friend.

No one is not advocating co-operation, but when it is done with those who turned a blind eye to the doping, it aint a good thing, especially after we see Sky have gotten grupetto fodder to the top step.

 

[Benotti69]

How many ex rabo did Sky hire? Flecha, De Jongh and Leinders?

 

[Netserk]

Hayman .

 

[Benotti69]

Hayman .

Cheers Netserk.

 

[the sceptic]

Rasmussen went on to reveal that he even approached his father Finn, on the advice of Dr Leinders, asking him to donate blood so that he could inject it. Rasmussen said that Dr Leinders explained he had done so previously with two brothers and if the blood matched that "it was like mixing water with water."

It appears the good doctor is a little more than the village idiot or whatever it was sky tried to tell us he was.

 

[Puckfiend]

Leinders probably isn't the mad genius that Ferrari is/was, but it doesn't look like he has Ferrari's hubris either. Low key, under the radar, connected with the UCI, and most important of all: effective. No wonder Brailsford hired him to deal with saddle sores and the occasional flare up of badzilla.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Leinders probably isn't the mad genius that Ferrari is/was, but it doesn't look like he has Ferrari's hubris either. Low key, under the radar, connected with the UCI, and most important of all: effective. No wonder Brailsford hired him to deal with saddle sores and the occasional flare up of badzilla.

Keeping in mind the 2010 Team Sky Vuelta debacle where a soigneur died and half the team had pulled out due to a mystery virus inside the first week. That was the reason at first.

The saddle sores thing was a throwaway statement IMO. Sounds far more genuine than, "mystery viruses that pwn riders and soigneurs alike".

 

[thehog]

Keeping in mind the 2010 Team Sky Vuelta debacle where a soigneur died and half the team had pulled out due to a mystery virus inside the first week. That was the reason at first.

The saddle sores thing was a throwaway statement IMO. Sounds far more genuine than, "mystery viruses that pwn riders and soigneurs alike".

A bad team transfusion done by sh1tty doctors.

Call in the pro, Wolf Leinders.

Like he wasn't even there.

 

[Alex76]

A bad team transfusion done by sh1tty doctors.

Call in the pro, Wolf Leinders.

Like he wasn't even there.

Do you think that? Hope that's not what happened, and that poor chap did just naturally pick up something.

 

[mattghg]

A bad team transfusion done by sh1tty doctors.

Call in the pro, Wolf Leinders.

Like he wasn't even there.

Soigneurs are getting transfusions now?

 

[Benotti69]

Soigneurs are getting transfusions now?

Soigneurs were always used as guinea pigs........

 

[bobbins]

Soigneurs were always used as guinea pigs........

And some methods might easily be abused by vain managers wanting to stay in shape

 

[Benotti69]

And some methods might easily be abused by vain managers wanting to stay in shape

For sure, wouldn't surprise me if lots of back room staff use PEDs. Didn't Sean Kelly get popped when his Bus driver's urine, that Kelly used in anti doping, contained amphetamine.

 

[Taxus4a]

Froome was identified at the Melbourne commonwealth games by British Cycling officials - not Dave B. Bobby Julich is his 'coach'.

Froome evidently tested very similar numbers to Wiggins.

If anyone really believes that Froomes performance over the last couple of years was normal then they need to wake up.

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

Read and tell me what dont make sense for you.

I consider myself very awake.

 

[gillan1969]

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

Read and tell me what dont make sense for you.

I consider myself very awake.

if you're that awake you might want to ask Sir Dave why he didn't release Froome's pre-2011 Vuelta figures?

go on...

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

Read and tell me what dont make sense for you.

I consider myself very awake.

None of it makes sense to me.

I guess I'm just stupid.

 

[the sceptic]

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

Read and tell me what dont make sense for you.

I consider myself very awake.

Taxus for all, you might be the only person outside of britain that thinks Froome is cleans. Im impressed.

What would it take for you to think a rider is doping? Other than testing positive.

 

[Benotti69]

Amazing how Froome was unpolished on Barloworld yet Soler was able to take the KOM jersey at a TdF!

Froome is either the greatest talent since LeMond or just another doper in a long list to win a TdF.

I think if you want to compare Froome to LeMond, you have to remember LeMond came from the USA when it was a cycling backwater, just like Froome, but then LeMond won L'avenir and other things at a young age. Froome did Zero till a '11 Vuelta at the age of 26. Not believable in the sport of cycling.

 

[Taxus4a]

if you're that awake you might want to ask Sir Dave why he didn't release Froome's pre-2011 Vuelta figures?

go on...

must he did it?
How many teams do that?
I put you some statement made before that Vuelta where SKY and other before them were surprising about Chris figures.

 

[Taxus4a]

Amazing how Froome was unpolished on Barloworld yet Soler was able to take the KOM jersey at a TdF!

Froome is either the greatest talent since LeMond or just another doper in a long list to win a TdF.

I think if you want to compare Froome to LeMond, you have to remember LeMond came from the USA when it was a cycling backwater, just like Froome, but then LeMond won L'avenir and other things at a young age. Froome did Zero till a '11 Vuelta at the age of 26. Not believable in the sport of cycling.

What Froome did in his first Tour de France is for me more importat than won L Avenir, if you understand of this a little and if you have followed Froome history.

Lemond was talented, but Froome is not less, but they have different stories, Lemond could show his talend before his accident in a clearly way, Froome couldnt do it before his illnessm becouse he was starting and he had a lot of thing toi improve and learn.

I am not an expert of Lemond, I asked him for a sign when I was child in San Sebastian, he denied me in spanish with and strong american accent, we dont know a lot about him in Spain, he was the main rival of my idol Pedro Delgado, so he was like the enemie then, in the good sense of the word enemie, but Perico was in Spain then more than now Alonso or Nadal or even Messi.

Now I dont have than tought and I believe Lemond as a big name of cycling and on of the last stas before the EPO era. But, for me, he is as talented as evans, no more, but he had an era when he could win more than Evans.

But so far I know about him he became professional been 20 years old, and he started cycling world much before, that change things a lot...

 

[LaFlorecita]

Amazing how Froome was unpolished on Barloworld yet Soler was able to take the KOM jersey at a TdF!

Froome is either the greatest talent since LeMond or just another doper in a long list to win a TdF.

I think if you want to compare Froome to LeMond, you have to remember LeMond came from the USA when it was a cycling backwater, just like Froome, but then LeMond won L'avenir and other things at a young age. Froome did Zero till a '11 Vuelta at the age of 26. Not believable in the sport of cycling.

Chicken said this about Froome:

I hope Froome is clean, and if he is, he's the strongest rider ever to have set his foot on the planet

I think that statement says enough

 

[Taxus4a]

Anyway Lemond is a different kind of rider than Froome. he is like if now sagan became a GT contender. He was a one day race rader at his beginings, and that kind of riders became early to show his potential. Anyway, the develop of a rider and another could be different.