Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Race Radio]

And clog another thread with the OT BS? Please resist.

Back to the topic, I guess it's now possible to peak for 10 months...

I can't understand how this is possible. I also don't get how some riders stay skinny even in the off season. It makes no sense

 

[sittingbison]

I'm certainly not race radios bodyguard.

Heed this and heed it well. I will banninate your arse if you flagrantly derail this or another thread, or hound and attack another member. No questions asked, no more gentle prodding, no more Mr Nice Guy.

On your own head be it

 

[Netserk]

I can't understand how this is possible. I also don't get how some riders stay skinny even in the off season. It makes no sense

Tbh the other end of the scale with Cavendish is also a tad extreme for my liking. BTW have you seen the latest pic of Kreuziger (fit as ****)?

 

[Cyivel]

Pipe down chief.

 

[peloton]

I can't understand how this is possible. I also don't get how some riders stay skinny even in the off season. It makes no sense

It's not possible without doping, that is obvious. No marginal gains will explain that.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And clog another thread with the OT BS? Please resist.

Back to the topic, I guess it's now possible to peak for 10 months...

I am more than happy to comply. If you see an OT remark, report it - otherwise I will respond until a mod does.

I'm certainly not race radios bodyguard.

Heed this and heed it well. I will banninate your arse if you flagrantly derail this or another thread, or hound and attack another member. No questions asked, no more gentle prodding, no more Mr Nice Guy.

On your own head be it

You should be everyones bodyguard - lets discuss this in the appropriate mod thread, shall we? (That wasn't a question)

 

[Granville57]

He wrote that I think all of Sky performances are clean, when I have made it clear several times they are not.

They are not, or you think they are not? There's a massive difference.

This does need a bit of clarification, because I can't be the only one confused on this particular point. Although I suspect that something is getting lost in translation, so to speak.

RR, could you articulate exactly what you meant by "they are not," and to what you were referring?

Thanks.

 

[Samson777]

This does need a bit of clarification, because I can't be the only one confused on this particular point. Although I suspect that something is getting lost in translation, so to speak.

RR, could you articulate exactly what you meant by "they are not," and to what you were referring?

Thanks.

+1. Would like to know that as well. Probably a lot of people would.

And just so there is no misunderstanding; this is not about trolling/attacking. It would just be very interesting to know, because of Race Radios track record when it comes to matters like this. And because clinic wise, SKY is by far the most interesting topic.

 

[sittingbison]

I'm going to close this thread for a few minutes while I check out the last day and do some moderating. Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll get it back up as soon as I can

cheers
bison

EDIT:
OK, open again. And I will reiterate:

...Heed this and heed it well. I will banninate your arse if you flagrantly derail this or another thread, or hound and attack another member...

 

[Race Radio]

+1. Would like to know that as well. Probably a lot of people would.

And just so there is no misunderstanding; this is not about trolling/attacking. It would just be very interesting to know, because of Race Radios track record when it comes to matters like this. And because clinic wise, SKY is by far the most interesting topic.

I think that several of SKY performance are not normal and I have made this clear several times. Froome on the top part of Ventoux showed he could likely put :30-1min on Quintana on a 30-40 min climb. That would put him around 38:30 on Alp d'Huez, or even faster on an easier stage. Not Normal. Semnoz is also not normal, highest output of the race. Uran in the Giro? Not normal. I think Sky knows this and that is why they didn't resign him. JTL? Doper. They would have to have been idiots to not know this. Classics riders using Cortisone OOC without a TUE, legal but certainly not ethical. I still don't know what to make of Wiggins or Porte. I also don't think there is a team program.....Flame away I just don't know.

As much as I think this w/kg stuff is interesting I am far from an expert at it. I think it is an interesting data point but far more interesting is a disgruntled wife, SKY has one of those, or a former rider like Flecha spilling the beans.

The weight thing makes no sense to me. There is clearly something going on but none of the people I talk to can figure it out. Sure some say various substances but nothing that is traceable or had been found on anyone.

I have written all of this several times, often with far more detail, but some like to pretend I have not.

Not directed at you but I am sure others will flame away but don't expect me to respond. Really tired of the endless nonsense here

 

[Cyivel]

I think that several of SKY performance are not normal and I have made this clear several times. Froome on the top part of Ventoux showed he could likely put :30-1min on Quintana on a 30-40 min climb. That would put him around 38:30 on Alp d'Huez, or even faster on an easier stage. Not Normal. Semnoz is also not normal, highest output of the race. Uran in the Giro? Not normal. I think Sky knows this and that is why they did resign him. JTL? Doper. They would have to have been idiots to not know this. Classics riders using Cortisone OOC without a TUE, legal but certainly not ethical. I still don't know what to make of Wiggins or Porte. I also don't think there is a team program.....Flame away I just don't know.

As much as I think this w/kg stuff is interesting I am far from an expert at it. I think it is an interesting data point but far more interesting is a disgruntled wife, SKY has one of those, or a former rider like Flecha spilling the beans.

The weight thing makes no sense to me. There is clearly something going on but none of the people I talk to can figure it out. Sure some say various substances but nothing that is traceable or had been found on anyone.

I have written all of this several times, often with far more detail, but some like to pretend I have not.

Not directed at you but I am sure others will flame away but don't expect me to respond. Really tired of the endless nonsense here

Interesting post, appreciated.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I think that several of SKY performance are not normal and I have made this clear several times. Froome on the top part of Ventoux showed he could likely put :30-1min on Quintana on a 30-40 min climb. That would put him around 38:30 on Alp d'Huez, or even faster on an easier stage. Not Normal. Semnoz is also not normal, highest output of the race. Uran in the Giro? Not normal. I think Sky knows this and that is why they did resign him. JTL? Doper. They would have to have been idiots to not know this. Classics riders using Cortisone OOC without a TUE, legal but certainly not ethical. I still don't know what to make of Wiggins or Porte. I also don't think there is a team program.....Flame away I just don't know.

As much as I think this w/kg stuff is interesting I am far from an expert at it. I think it is an interesting data point but far more interesting is a disgruntled wife, SKY has one of those, or a former rider like Flecha spilling the beans.

The weight thing makes no sense to me. There is clearly something going on but none of the people I talk to can figure it out. Sure some say various substances but nothing that is traceable or had been found on anyone.

I have written all of this several times, often with far more detail, but some like to pretend I have not.

Not directed at you but I am sure others will flame away but don't expect me to respond. Really tired of the endless nonsense here

Solid piece RR, like I've said many times every individual information gotta be judged.

Now lets move forward.

 

[Samson777]

I think that several of SKY performance are not normal and I have made this clear several times. Froome on the top part of Ventoux showed he could likely put :30-1min on Quintana on a 30-40 min climb. That would put him around 38:30 on Alp d'Huez, or even faster on an easier stage. Not Normal. Semnoz is also not normal, highest output of the race. Uran in the Giro? Not normal. I think Sky knows this and that is why they did resign him. JTL? Doper. They would have to have been idiots to not know this. Classics riders using Cortisone OOC without a TUE, legal but certainly not ethical. I still don't know what to make of Wiggins or Porte. I also don't think there is a team program.....Flame away I just don't know.

As much as I think this w/kg stuff is interesting I am far from an expert at it. I think it is an interesting data point but far more interesting is a disgruntled wife, SKY has one of those, or a former rider like Flecha spilling the beans.

The weight thing makes no sense to me. There is clearly something going on but none of the people I talk to can figure it out. Sure some say various substances but nothing that is traceable or had been found on anyone.

I have written all of this several times, often with far more detail, but some like to pretend I have not.

Not directed at you but I am sure others will flame away but don't expect me to respond. Really tired of the endless nonsense here

Cool, I will go look for that as well. Thanks for respond, interesting post.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I think that several of SKY performance are not normal and I have made this clear several times. Froome on the top part of Ventoux showed he could likely put :30-1min on Quintana on a 30-40 min climb. That would put him around 38:30 on Alp d'Huez, or even faster on an easier stage. Not Normal. Semnoz is also not normal, highest output of the race. Uran in the Giro? Not normal. I think Sky knows this and that is why they did resign him. JTL? Doper. They would have to have been idiots to not know this. Classics riders using Cortisone OOC without a TUE, legal but certainly not ethical. I still don't know what to make of Wiggins or Porte. I also don't think there is a team program.....Flame away I just don't know.

As much as I think this w/kg stuff is interesting I am far from an expert at it. I think it is an interesting data point but far more interesting is a disgruntled wife, SKY has one of those, or a former rider like Flecha spilling the beans.

The weight thing makes no sense to me. There is clearly something going on but none of the people I talk to can figure it out. Sure some say various substances but nothing that is traceable or had been found on anyone.

I have written all of this several times, often with far more detail, but some like to pretend I have not.

Not directed at you but I am sure others will flame away but don't expect me to respond. Really tired of the endless nonsense here

Is there somewhere we can put this in a sticky??
It is tough to ask for this same info over and over and it should be down and available

Actually…a sticky that each of us could put our important 'manifestos' and things that we would like to declare as being on the record for...

 

[Granville57]

As I posted yesterday in the Lance thread:

The Clinic is always best after dark.

 

[sittingbison]

As I posted yesterday in the Lance thread:

The Clinic is always best after dark.

correctomundo....especially the lance thread

and now getting back on topic...Sky isn't it?

 

[Parrulo]

Was Uran at the Giro "not normal"?

On the stage he won? On the other mountain stages he didn't look very impressive to be honest.

1:48 down on Downset at the itt.
30 secs down on Santa and Nibali at Bardonecchia (behind both Betancur and Samu)
St as the big boys on Galibier
1:26 down on Nibali on the MTT (Behind Samu, Caruso, Scarponi and Majka)
And 20 seconds down on Nibali at Tre Cime.

What is the logic behind not resigning Uran because he looked "not normal" when this is exactly the level everyone expected him to reach for a long time and at the same time have Froome, Porte and Wiggins on the team when all 3 have proven to be stronger than Uran on peak form and neither had shown to be more talented than Uran early on their careers?

This is a legit question. TO be honest i think the "Uran wants more money and leadership" explanation for his departure makes much more sense.

 

[mewmewmew13]

correctomundo....especially the lance thread

and now getting back on topic...Sky isn't it?

I saw a SKY behind that flag


But seriously folks…how skinny do you think Froome and Wiggo will be this year?
unreal and its not right

 

[Race Radio]

Was Uran at the Giro "not normal"?

On the stage he won? On the other mountain stages he didn't look very impressive to be honest.

1:48 down on Downset at the itt.
30 secs down on Santa and Nibali at Bardonecchia (behind both Betancur and Samu)
St as the big boys on Galibier
1:26 down on Nibali on the MTT (Behind Samu, Caruso, Scarponi and Majka)
And 20 seconds down on Nibali at Tre Cime.

What is the logic behind not resigning Uran because he looked "not normal" when this is exactly the level everyone expected him to reach for a long time and at the same time have Froome, Porte and Wiggins on the team when all 3 have proven to be stronger than Uran on peak form and neither had shown to be more talented than Uran early on their careers?

This is a legit question. TO be honest i think the "Uran wants more money and leadership" explanation for his departure makes much more sense.

Very valid points. You are likely right and I am likely wrong.

My opinion was based more on the rumor mill then a specific performance. I am a huge fan of Colombian cycling and love that they are back at the top of the sport.....but the only group that is gossiped about as much as Froome and Wiggins are the Colombians. Everyone wants to know the secrets of their sudden resurgence. I hope it does not end badly

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Very valid points. You are likely right and I am likely wrong.

My opinion was based more on the rumor mill then a specific performance. I am a huge fan of Colombian cycling and love that they are back at the top of the sport.....but the only group that is gossiped about as much as Froome and Wiggins are the Colombians. Everyone wants to know the secrets of their sudden resurgence. I hope it does not end badly

Uran (I don't think hes clean) is not a major race factor yet. I would leave the statement for now. Looks more urgent and therefore better imo.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

As I posted yesterday in the Lance thread:

The Clinic is always best after dark.

Lol, you really do have too much confidence in fellow Americans don't you?

Anyway by far the best poster on this forum is Mr Granville.

 

[Parrulo]

Very valid points. You are likely right and I am likely wrong.

My opinion was based more on the rumor mill then a specific performance. I am a huge fan of Colombian cycling and love that they are back at the top of the sport.....but the only group that is gossiped about as much as Froome and Wiggins are the Colombians. Everyone wants to know the secrets of their sudden resurgence. I hope it does not end badly

I see, it makes sense.

It is surely strange that in just one generation Colombian cycling went from almost no presence at the top of the sport to one of the strongest and arguably, the one with most potential nation in the sport.

The usual "cycling is clean/cleaner now and they live at altitude" explanation seems a bit too simple and faithful to be truth.

Regarding the rumours surrounding Sky, how spread are they? What i mean is, are they like hot topic on the peloton and everyone is talking about it and speculating or is only discussed by a few "more open minded" individuals.

What do you think the overall opinion of the peloton is?

 

[Parrulo]

Also how do the rumours/speculation about sky, compare to the, surely existing rumours, about Astana/Nibali, Movistar/Valverde/Quintana/Costa, Katusha/Purito/Cigarrin and Saxo/Contador?

I am assuming that the strength of the rumours in the peloton increases with how hard it is to explain a performance. So i would guess from those i mentioned, Contador's performance, or lack of it, would the be the second strongest rumour on the peloton.

 

[zlev11]

Uran in the Giro? Not normal. I think Sky knows this and that is why they didn't resign him.

I dunno, I actually thought Uran at the Giro was one of Sky's most believable performances of the season. He got smoked in the time trials and didn't really out-climb anyone of note except on the Montasio stage in which he wasn't really chased down and yet only won by 30 seconds. Just wondering what you thought wasn't normal about it? It was certainly a great Giro for him but it just didn't strike me as that unusual. I also don't think Sky had any chance to re-sign him, as he wanted to be a team leader for GT's and those are all pretty much locked up at Sky for the moment.

 

[Race Radio]

I see, it makes sense.

It is surely strange that in just one generation Colombian cycling went from almost no presence at the top of the sport to one of the strongest and arguably, the one with most potential nation in the sport.

The usual "cycling is clean/cleaner now and they live at altitude" explanation seems a bit too simple and faithful to be truth.

Regarding the rumours surrounding Sky, how spread are they? What i mean is, are they like hot topic on the peloton and everyone is talking about it and speculating or is only discussed by a few "more open minded" individuals.

What do you think the overall opinion of the peloton is?

I don't think "the peloton" is the people to ask. a 23 kid often has little understanding of that side of the sport.

The best source is always mechanics. They have seen it all and know it all.

Lot of questions, few real stories.