Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[ebandit]

troll on

Actually I misremembered. Brailsfraud actually rated Froome (CF) as below the level required for World Tour domestique.

troll on bro...............that chart was discredited long ago as being complete BS................it even states at the bottom 'approximation' of DB's rating

you really think that the journalist spotting such a chart could really remember correct placement of numerous markers?

Mark L

 

[roundabout]

Is that Wiggins heading towards decline?

 

[the sceptic]

troll on bro...............that chart was discredited long ago as being complete BS................it even states at the bottom 'approximation' of DB's rating

you really think that the journalist spotting such a chart could really remember correct placement of numerous markers?

Mark L

Discredited by who? you?

Do you think many people would disagree with it if it had been posted here in 2011? (pre vuelta)

 

[BroDeal]

troll on bro...............that chart was discredited long ago as being complete BS................it even states at the bottom 'approximation' of DB's rating

you really think that the journalist spotting such a chart could really remember correct placement of numerous markers?

It does not really matter if it is exact. If Froome was placed slightly differently than what Brailsfraud drew then he was still rated as unsuitable for a World Tour team, even projecting his peak that was expected three years in the future. While the journalist might not have gotten the mid-performance riders placed well, it is hard to believe that he would misplace CF, the worst rider on the team.

The bottom line is the journalist at Cycle Sport have a lot more credibility than you.

 

[BYOP88]

It does not really matter if it is exact. If Froome was placed slightly differently than what Brailsfraud drew then he was still rated as unsuitable for a World Tour team, even projecting his peak that was expected three years in the future. While the journalist might not have gotten the mid-performance riders placed well, it is hard to believe that he would misplace CF, the worst rider on the team.

The bottom line is the journalist at Cycle Sport have a lot more credibility than you.

And if big Dave Brailsford and the Sky brain trust thought that Froome was a super rider, why wait so long to give him a contract extension?

 

[ebandit]

not me

not me........................approximation!

Mark L

 

[del1962]

Wake me up when there is some credible evidence against sky, like failed drug tests, ex (or current) soigneurs / riders / family of riders / mechanics etc saying they saw them dope.

In other news intersting to see cowboys encouraging riders to dope, try not to accidently shoot someone while shouting yehaa cowboys

 

[ChewbaccaD]

To me you're not, based on what you just said. You're justifying the use of doping. That's grand if you want to be that way, just don't be outraged about it if Sky get popped in the future. Do and you'll be reminded of the absurd position you express now.



No, don't put this nonsense on all as some justification. Not everyone wants Contador, Nibali, Horner and co. to be doped to the gills because of Sky's dominance. And that's even if they're up to their eyeballs themselves at it.

You jumped the fence baby.

If you think I care what you think, your sense of value is highly inflated.

As for being "outraged," I guess your reading comprehension skills and ability to infer logical results is broken. I won't be "outraged." It will only confirm what I already believe to be true. No "outrage" needed. Any feeling of "outrage" is only related to their denial. Anyone with half a brain already thinks they're doping...the time for "outrage" for that has passed sweetie.

Cheers as they say

 

[ebandit]

orange

If you think I care two fu*ks what you think, your sense of value is highly inflated.

Cheers as they say

really?.............................i'm crushed

Mark L

 

[gillan1969]

And if big Dave Brailsford and the Sky brain trust thought that Froome was a super rider, why wait so long to give him a contract extension?

not just super...probably the fittest measured athlete the world has ever seen.......who would have thunk it...

 

[BroDeal]

And if big Dave Brailsford and the Sky brain trust thought that Froome was a super rider, why wait so long to give him a contract extension?

Yup. They have been saying what a huge talent Froome was [They never said a peep about him before his transformation, of course.] but they could have signed him halfway through 2011 for minimum wage, and Froome would have been happy to get the contract.. No one wanted to hire him. He was headed to Continental level.

 

[del1962]

Another of the cowboys is back, careful where you points those guns BroDeal

 

[gooner]

If you think I care two fu*ks what you think, your sense of value is highly inflated.

As for being "outraged," I guess your reading comprehension skills and ability to infer logical results is broken. I won't be "outraged." It will only confirm what I already believe to be true. No "outrage" needed. Any feeling of "outrage" is only related to their denial. Anyone with half a brain already thinks they're doping...the time for "outrage" for that has passed sweetie.

Cheers as they say

No sweat off me baby.

I understand perfectly well what you said and it's duly noted.

 

[BroDeal]

not just super...probably the fittest measured athlete the world has ever seen.......who would have thunk it...

This. The clown that Sky handpicked to analyze Froome's data, the very same clown that gave Armstrong a clean bill of health, came to the conclusion that Froome would have to be at the known limit of human physiology to justify the numbers. Of course, no one asked the obvious question: How is it that someone with such otherworldly stats never showed that potential when he was an amateur?

 

[Hugh Januss]

really?.............................i'm crushed

Mark L

Why are you "crushed" when he was addressing gooner?

 

[BroDeal]

Another of the cowboys is back, careful where you points those guns BroDeal

You just cannot handle that riders like Horner are following the Sky doping plan to ludicrous performance. Maybe you would feel more comfortable surrounded by the jingoists over at Bike ***. They can whisper sweet nothings in your ears as they detail their doubts about Horner but at the same time trust Froome. It is your kind of place.

 

[Hugh Januss]

It is almost uncanny how the Sky fanboy's comments mirror those of a few years ago from the Lance squad.
Very entertaining, of course they could be right.

 

[del1962]

You just cannot handle that riders like Horner are following the Sky doping plan to ludicrous performance. Maybe you would feel more comfortable surrounded by the jingoists over at Bike ***. They can whisper sweet nothings in your ears as they detail their doubts about Horner but at the same time trust Froome. It is your kind of place.

Cowboy, Horner rode with Radioshack close to the likes of Brunyeel, had a dodgy doctor until the reasoned decision, if he wanted to find a doping plan, he would have hardly have gone to Sky.

 

[gooner]

You just cannot handle that riders like Horner are following the Sky doping plan to ludicrous performance. Maybe you would feel more comfortable surrounded by the jingoists over at Bike ***. They can whisper sweet nothings in your ears as they detail their doubts about Horner but at the same time trust Froome. It is your kind of place.

Yet you want Horner to dope and Ricco and Di Luca still in the sport.

And you wonder then why the guys over in BikeRadar(not retards)ridicule this place.

 

[Tonton]

not just super...probably the fittest measured athlete the world has ever seen.......who would have thunk it...

He sure wasn't the fittest when he was hanging on car doors to make it up the climbs at the Giro. And that wasn't too long ago. Which is why many wonder what caused the change. How did yesterday's donkey win the Kentucky Derby? The Bilharzia rationale is reminiscent of LA's cancer recovery theory, and we all know the (real) story. Kinda Spiderman stuff.

Add to this a team that sounds, tastes, and looks like USPS. My mama said: if it's too good to be true...

Obviously something is going on.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Cowboy, Horner rode with Radioshack close to the likes of Brunyeel, had a dodgy doctor until the reasoned decision, if he wanted to find a doping plan, he would have hardly have gone to Sky.

I guess he could have used the DiLuca doping plan instead.

 

[BroDeal]

Cowboy, Horner rode with Radioshack close to the likes of Brunyeel, had a dodgy doctor until the reasoned decision, if he wanted to find a doping plan, he would have hardly have gone to Sky.

Whatever dope doctors are associated with Radio Shack sure did not help Andy Schleck. The dope doctor associated with Sky has a much better recent track record. He is the obvious choice of the new generation. Maybe Celaya or Del Moral can be brought back, like Classic Coke, but right now it is New Coke time.

 

[MarkvW]

Cowboy, Horner rode with Radioshack close to the likes of Brunyeel, had a dodgy doctor until the reasoned decision, if he wanted to find a doping plan, he would have hardly have gone to Sky.

Good point there. Horner learned at the feet of the doping masters, just like Landis did.

The most that the facts will support, for me, is that Sky could be giving its riders complete independence regarding whatever "program" that they are on, while hiring medical staff that will give those riders honest, complete, and totally confidential medical advice regarding whatever program each rider chooses to implement.

Seems to me that Brailsford is staying totally out of the loop of any active doping management, and that he is completely willing to cut anything that even hints otherwise right out of the Sky program.

The facts certainly don't rule out doping, but they seem to exclude organized team doping that is anything more than what I describe above.

 

[BroDeal]

Yet you want Horner to dope and Ricco and Di Luca still in the sport.

Why not? If Froome and Wiggins are given a free pass then why not DiLuca and Ricco? As long as we are going to let the sport be overrun with dopers then we should have equal opportunity doping. It is only fair.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Good point there. Horner learned at the feet of the doping masters, just like Landis did.

The most that the facts will support, for me, is that Sky could be giving its riders complete independence regarding whatever "program" that they are on, while hiring medical staff that will give those riders honest, complete, and totally confidential medical advice regarding whatever program each rider chooses to implement.

Seems to me that Brailsford is staying totally out of the loop of any active doping management, and that he is completely willing to cut anything that even hints otherwise right out of the Sky program.

The facts certainly don't rule out doping, but they seem to exclude organized team doping that is anything more than what I describe above.

So two years ago when the entire team was TTing up the tour climbs and dropping all the major contenders without ever breaking ranks, you think they did that by each finding their own individual program?