Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[MatParker117]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19906657

Brailsford last night:

"It is understandable now for people to look at any results in cycling and question that," said Brailsford.
"It completely and utterly lost its way and I think it lost its moral compass."

On Armstrong:

"I think there are plenty of people out there who saw this guy and what he did as an amazing achievement," said Brailsford.
"He is one of the first cyclists that maybe transcended the sport and became a hero beyond cycling.
"It was an amazing thing and people got behind that. So to now find out what was behind [it] is, of course, disappointing."

Sky:

"Everybody has recalibrated and several teams like ourselves are hell-bent on doing it the right way and doing it clean," said Brailsford.

Barry:

"We signed Michael from HTC which was, at the time, highly regarded as being a very sound, clean team," said Brailsford.
"During his time at Team Sky, we have had absolutely no cause for concern whatsoever, there has never been any question in terms of his performances, his training, his behaviour on the team. There have never been any issues in that respect. But ultimately he lied.
"We set out with a zero tolerance policy, so we said that anyone who has had a doping conviction from the past or proved to have been involved in doping hasn't got a place on Team Sky. That is our policy.
"When you take someone you ask them a question and if someone lies to you and you find out later it's disappointing."

USPS:

"You can see how the sport got lost in itself and got more and more extreme because it seemed to be systematic and everybody seemed to be doing it at the time,"

 

[MartinGT]

Brailsford would make a great PM

 

[taiwan]

The phrase 'the elephant in the room' is overused, but isn't Sky going to have a job protecting Sean Yates from public scrutiny? A visible face of the team and the major link between Sky and LA/Bruyneel. I mean with the extent of the doping practises exposed on those teams, even to Joe Bloggs the whole management will be tainted. They can't just let him out the back door like they did Lienders.

I'm stating the obvious, but my gut says Sky simply bought the USPS franchise, off the shelf.

 

[MartinGT]

Hincapie's affidavit on the Wall Street Journal site. He talks about himself, Kevin Livingstone and a rider whose name has been redacted living in Como.

This unnamed rider went on to do well at the 1996 Vuelta after using EPO. Who lived in Como, rode for Motorola and finished in the top 10 of the 1996 Vuelta? Bobby Julich. Currently coach at Team Sky!

Oh dear Mr Brailsford, you are upto your neck in it!

 

[orbeas]

Sky...

to Quote Brailsford

We signed Michael from HTC which was, at the time, highly regarded as being a very sound, clean team," said Brailsford.
"During his time at Team Sky, we have had absolutely no cause for concern whatsoever, there has never been any question in terms of his performances, his training, his behaviour on the team. There have never been any issues in that respect. But ultimately he lied.
"We set out with a zero tolerance policy, so we said that anyone who has had a doping conviction from the past or proved to have been involved in doping hasn't got a place on Team Sky. That is our policy.
"When you take someone you ask them a question and if someone lies to you and you find out later it's disappointing."

Sean Yates failed a test in 1989 !!!!

Some other senior members of Team Sky have doping skeletons that are well hidden and would not want them to come out,,,

Like Daryl Webster am well aware of them !!!

 

[Animal]

Hmmm. Brailsford just blew his credibility out the water affecting to be "shocked" by all this!

Bull**** Dave!

 

[MartinGT]

It gets worse! Leipheimer's affidavit states he attended one of Dr. Ferrari's training camps in Tenerife with riders including Vino, Kashechkin, Popopvych and MICHAEL ROGERS!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

It gets worse! Leipheimer's affidavit states he attended one of Dr. Ferrari's training camps in Tenerife with riders including Vino, Kashechkin, Popopvych and MICHAEL ROGERS!

Micky Rogers has been outed here many times before.

 

[Robert21]

I particularly like this from 'the man with the MBA'...

Dave Brailsford, team principal of Team Sky, claims he was stunned by the revelations contained in the USADA's Reasoned Decision in the Lance Armstrong case"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-stunned-by-usada-disclosures

Stunned and 'shocked'. What? Like he never saw it coming and hoped it was all just a rumour?

He is either an idiot or a liar.

Brailsford admitted to being disappointed in Barry, who he said lied to him.

He is also a piss-poor judge of human being as well, or so it seems.

 

[MartinGT]

Micky Rogers has been outed here many times before.

Aye, I have seen that, but this is compelling isnt it?

 

[Franklin]

They'll fire both Michael's and that will be the end of it.

Nothing to see here folks

 

[MartinGT]

Where does this leave the likes of Wiggins? Seriously?

Does he come out and make some sort of statement, or what? Its all a bit too much to take in at the moment.

 

[sittingbison]

It gets worse! Leipheimer's affidavit states he attended one of Dr. Ferrari's training camps in Tenerife with riders including Vino, Kashechkin, Popopvych and MICHAEL ROGERS!

Micky Rogers has been outed here many times before.

Yup, but the problem for Sky NOW is he is outed not by tin foil hat wearing clinic making guesses but by Levi Leipheimer in a sworn affidavit under threat of perjury and going to jail.

And lets not forget Freiburg...

 

[Franklin]

He'll be very very very dissapointed.

What else would you expect?

 

[MartinGT]

Yup, but the problem for Sky NOW is he is outed not by tin foil hat wearing clinic making guesses but by Levi Leipheimer in a sworn affidavit under threat of perjury and going to jail.

And lets not forget Freiburg...

Exactly, that was what I was saying.

What the hell is more to come out that doesnt paint Sky in a good picture here?

 

[taiwan]

Hmmm. Brailsford just blew his credibility out the water affecting to be "shocked" by all this!

Bull**** Dave!

+1 it's not convincing. 2/10.

"Oh no, people doped?"

 

[sittingbison]

...He is also a piss-poor judge of human being as well, or so it seems.

He obviously didn't look Barry in the eye. You know, the Phil Ligget dope test. Also used by Bill Strickland. Used to work every time.

 

[William H]

Rogers had already admitted to training with Ferrari.

Since Ferrari appears to have had the sense to meet with riders individually, it can't be proved that he did any more than that, so the situation is basically unchanged.

 

[Franklin]

Exactly, that was what I was saying.

What the hell is more to come out that doesnt paint Sky in a good picture here?

sorry, Sky isn't involved here at all. They might even get good press out of it for firing both Michael's.

And yes, DB is lieing through his teeth. The stories are not surprising nor shocking. Anyone who is involved in cycling and is surprised that MR is implicated is either the biggest idiot of the peloton or flat out lieing. As DB is rather competent it's clear he lies. And if he lies about this... well, it shows the worth of his convictions, ideals and words.

But they will spin it differently, punish the scapegoats and the media will lap it up.

Wiggo will be extremely dissapointed, perhaps curse MR in a tweet (Some swearwords, Brittish public loves that genuine sentiment).

 

[sittingbison]

Rogers had already admitted to training with Ferrari.

Since Ferrari appears to have had the sense to meet with riders individually, it can't be proved that he did any more than that, so the situation is basically unchanged.

Ummmm....read the affidavit. Its posted a page back by Dear Wiggo. Levi describes attended two training camps on Tenerife run by Ferrari, along with Rogers, Popovych, Kashechkin, Vinokourov, Salvoldelli and Mezzoleni (sic).

This is NOT the "I got a training schedule from Ferrari" admission, this is NOT individually. This is describing a doping camp on Tenerife.

Good grief

 

[sittingbison]

...Wiggo will be extremely dissapointed, perhaps curse MR in a tweet (Some swearwords, Brittish public loves that genuine sentiment).

@WigglyBraddins

"Dodger was a frakking wonker, a bone idle lazy can't"

 

[Franklin]

Ummmm....read the affidavit. Its posted a page back by Dear Wiggo. Levi describes attended two training camps on Tenerife run by Ferrari, along with Rogers, Popovych, Kashechkin, Vinokourov, Salvoldelli and Mezzoleni (sic).

This is NOT the "I got a training schedule from Ferrari" admission, this is NOT individually. This is describing a doping camp on Tenerife.

Good grief

Now you are stretching it. Being on a trainingscamp on tenerife with Ferrari does not proof MR took doping.

 

[Velo1ticker]

It gets worse! Leipheimer's affidavit states he attended one of Dr. Ferrari's training camps in Tenerife with riders including Vino, Kashechkin, Popopvych and MICHAEL ROGERS!

What a disater for SKY! However, I do see 4 names and aperently only one is in trouble for taking dop. Vino IS Astana and those two others have been as prominent as Rogers but too bad for him and SKY that you all hate SKY.

 

[MartinGT]

Ummmm....read the affidavit. Its posted a page back by Dear Wiggo. Levi describes attended two training camps on Tenerife run by Ferrari, along with Rogers, Popovych, Kashechkin, Vinokourov, Salvoldelli and Mezzoleni (sic).

This is NOT the "I got a training schedule from Ferrari" admission, this is NOT individually. This is describing a doping camp on Tenerife.

Good grief

Exactly and Ferrari said

Dr. Ferrari recognized that the EPO testing method works through separating andmeasuring the quantity (known as “intensity”) of various types of EPO and comparing the ratioof EPO bands in what is known as the “basic” region (where the bands tend to be caused by theadministration of synthetic EPO) to bands in the acidic region (where the bands are naturally produced).

However, because the test operates by measuring a ratio, the test can be fooled to adegree by increasing the amount of EPO in the acidic region (i.e., those produced naturally),which can be accomplished by stimulating natural production of EPO either through going toaltitude or by sleeping in an altitude tent (also known as a “hypoxic chamber”).

Dr. Ferrari advised the use of hypoxic chambers to reduce the effectiveness of the EPO test in detecting theuse of synthetic EPO.

Regular training at altitude (such as at St. Moritz, Tenerife or Aspen)would achieve a similar result

 

[William H]

But, as explained in other stuff, Ferrari appears to have discussed doping in private. All the Leipheimer affidavit establishes is that Rogers went to the camp and trained with Ferrari.

Now, that is obviously suspicious as hell, and the obvious conclusion is that Rogers was doping. Particularly when you consider what team he was on.

But it's nothing really new. Rogers was dodgy as hell beforehand and is still dodgy as hell. But there's no smoking gun to convict him.