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thehog said:
But you don't ignore me. You keep coming back with warm downs and reverse periodisation stories.

But you have got better. At least you're more open to the possibility of Sky doping.

I think 2013 will be very interesting with all that has gone on recently.

To be honest I can't remember the last time you mentioned doping, your recent posts are obsessed with demonising Wiggins and have no relevance to doping, perhaps that's why I haven't been ignoring you.

The last I remember was the 'proof' you presented during the Vuelta, including your prediction Froome would infuse a blood bag on the last rest day, go on a charge and make the podium. It was very funny, we laughed a lot. Another 'proof' you presented is that Sky definitely are working with Ferrari, I'm looking forward to how that 'proof' pans out
 
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Tinman said:
PS.
the yellow bracelet wearing, until recently
the tax dodge, until recently
the charity foundation
the "bone idling w*nkers on the internet
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Bring 'em on, the more the merrier
 
JimmyFingers said:
....The last I remember was the 'proof' you presented during the Vuelta, including your prediction Froome would infuse a blood bag on the last rest day, go on a charge and make the podium. It was very funny, we laughed a lot. Another 'proof' you presented is that Sky definitely are working with Ferrari, I'm looking forward to how that 'proof' pans out

that little mistake confirms for me that Mr Fingers is on the SKY payroll.
'WE'....SO if he's down the pub discussing the Clinic threads - thats weird. Or, he's at the computer with other SKY fans...which also is odd.

But if its part of a role...then that explains it. Note - his join date - Tour de France week when the Sky bashing took real hold.
 
Cycle Chic said:
that little mistake confirms for me that Mr Fingers is on the SKY payroll.
'WE'....SO if he's down the pub discussing the Clinic threads - thats weird. Or, he's at the computer with other SKY fans...which also is odd.

But if its part of a role...then that explains it. Note - his join date - Tour de France week when the Sky bashing took real hold.

Or perhaps he was metaphorically speaking, as in those of us who see a few people using some pretty dumb stuff like postcodes to bash Wiggo/Sky basically taking the urine out of those peddlars of postcodes, having a larf at their expense, I know some of the peddlars of postcodes and their unhinged antipodean mates make me larf from time to time.
 
del1962 said:
Or perhaps he was metaphorically speaking, as in those of us who see a few people using some pretty dumb stuff like postcodes to bash Wiggo/Sky basically taking the urine out of those peddlars of postcodes, having a larf at their expense, I know some of the peddlars of postcodes and their unhinged antipodean mates make me larf from time to time.

What DOES makes me laugh is this guy.

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I don't know his name but seeing him at the 2009 Giro and watching him zig zag up hills its hard to believe that he has become a Contador-esque climber.

Yes thats him at right angles behind Gerrans.

Full video at 7:27: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEGpv0xn0E8

That makes me laugh me more than postcodes and humble guys from Kilburn.

I hope he can win the Tour next year so I read how small town guy from Monaco won the Tour :rolleyes:
 
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Cycle Chic said:
that little mistake confirms for me that Mr Fingers is on the SKY payroll.
'WE'....SO if he's down the pub discussing the Clinic threads - thats weird. Or, he's at the computer with other SKY fans...which also is odd.

But if its part of a role...then that explains it. Note - his join date - Tour de France week when the Sky bashing took real hold.

This a special post. You should be very proud
 
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So Wiggo is angry when he's accussed of doping. Well boo-hoo. He knew cycling was rife with doping when he entered the sport, he decided to stay. He knew his fellow riders were all lying through their teeth, he still stayed. He knew his Sky team for performing like 1999 USPS team, he continued on.

He doesn't have the right to be angry, because he knew what the consequences were to stay in cycling AND be successful. So he should have expected all these reactions. Only guilty people get on the defensive the way he does.
 
thehog said:
What DOES makes me laugh is this guy.

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I don't know his name but seeing him at the 2009 Giro and watching him zig zag up hills its hard to believe that he has become a Contador-esque climber.

Yes thats him at right angles behind Gerrans.

Full video at 7:27: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEGpv0xn0E8

That makes me laugh me more than postcodes and humble guys from Kilburn.

I hope he can win the Tour next year so I read how small town guy from Monaco won the Tour :rolleyes:
You could use so many examples of Froome sucking earlier in career and yet you went with this, a clip from when he was young and was the 2nd best rider in the breakaway up a steep hill? That's a fairly reasonable performance, really. One could find similar examples of any of the top climbers in the world, where they weren't at their best. Not to say that Froome's development hasn't been extremely suspicious, but to use a single performance to conclude anything is just silly.

After seeing this video of Contador cracking completely in P-N (yes it's him going completely backwards at 1:40) , it's hard to believe that he has become a Contador-esque climber!
 
maltiv said:
You could use so many examples of Froome sucking earlier in career and yet you went with this, a clip from when he was young and was the 2nd best rider in the breakaway up a steep hill? That's a fairly reasonable performance, really. One could find similar examples of any of the top climbers in the world, where they weren't at their best. Not to say that Froome's development hasn't been extremely suspicious, but to use a single performance to conclude anything is just silly.

After seeing this video of Contador cracking completely in P-N (yes it's him going completely backwards at 1:40) , it's hard to believe that he has become a Contador-esque climber!

Yes Froome showed his real talent many times :rolleyes: Especially at the Tour of Mauritius and other such Grand Tours! :rolleyes: Dope or no dope Contador has shown time and time again he's all class and massively talented rider. The day before the stage you linked Contador smashed the field. And to his credit the day after the bonk he attacked form the start.

Froome form is indicative of his performance that day at the Giro. That's what Froome is naturally. No one and I mean no one ever expected him ever to ride like he did at the 2011 Vuelta. There wasn't even a Froome appreciation thread because no one knew who he was!

Alien arrived at the 2011 Vuelta and hasn't left the station.
 
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thehog said:
Dope or no dope Contador has shown time and time again he's all class and massively talented rider. The day before the stage you linked Contador smashed the field. And to his credit the day after the bonk he attacked form the start.

Very impressive for someone on the bags. How did I miss you're a Contador fan until now? Telling, very telling
 
JimmyFingers said:
Very impressive for someone on the bags. How did I miss you're a Contador fan until now? Telling, very telling

I thought you were ignoring me? Very telling.

Dope for dope - compare the way Contador looks on a bike compared to Froome and Contador looks the best.

What's this fan business? Fan of what?

People don't fall into fans of Sky and not fans of Sky.

You can enjoy cycling outside Sky you know.
 
MatParker117 said:
At that point Froome had not even been a pro for two years.


Shortly after almost losing his Sky contract he "discovered" marginal gains. Once he did he found that he could time trial and sprint up 15% HC mountains.

As a junior everyone said Froome would be the next Tour champion :rolleyes:

No one had every heard of him. Probably never will again.
 
MatParker117 said:
At that point Froome had not even been a pro for two years.

Which, in and of itself is fine.

But the reason to pick that video is because it is literally the only memorable thing Froome had done until stage 9 of the 2011 Vuelta. That day was impressive. There were people (I was among them, one of even the leaders of the group) who believed that Froome was peaking for week 2 there and Löfkvist would take over as domestique of choice for Wiggins in week 3, and so Froome would soft-pedal the ITT and lose several minutes to be fresh for Wiggins.

There were a few moments of vague promise in Froome's 2008 and early 2009. Nothing remotely special, but signs that the guy could be a decent top level rider. In the wake of his Vuelta show, people were rewriting history to say that his being in the break over Croix de Fer and in the heads of state group at the bottom of Alpe d'Huez in 2008 showed that he had the talent to compete for the win at GTs. No it didn't. It was a pretty impressive show for an effective neo-pro in his first GT to have the strength to be in the break at that point. But Johan van Summeren was in that group too - it wasn't like it was élite climbers only. You know who had a more impressive showing in a GT a year later at a young age? Rigoberto Urán. He was everywhere in key moves in week 3. And Ignatas Konovalovas, winning that ITT at the end of the 2009 Giro. You know, the race where Froome performed his only memorable feat until September 2011: pulling a Taaramäe before even Taaramäe got to pull one.

If you look at Froome's career from début to May 2009, then from August 2011 to present, you could perhaps believe the progression. Even then, it'd be a little bit surprising, as other riders have shown more impressively in GTs at a young age, and you would expect them to still be above Froome. But it wouldn't be ridiculous. Unfortunately, I can't unsee May 2009 to August 2011, where he showed little improvement, did nothing of note and was close to losing his contract.

If Sky knew they had a potential British GT winner (and let's face it, even at the start of that Vuelta after showing great form in March and June, we still had no idea whether Wiggins would turn out to be that) on the roster, do you think they'd have let his contract run out? Re-signing him only AFTER that Vuelta only wound up costing them a bunch of money they wouldn't have had to spend if they'd only re-signed their potential GT winner while he was still a nobody, right? They were very quick to say that Froome had always had the 'numbers' to be a GT talent, but if that was the case, how come he'd not benefited at all from Sky's marginal gains at all until that point? The bilharzia (and its convenient relapse excusing him for sucking all year until TdF prep in 2012) accounts for some of that, sure, but he maintained that he caught it at the end of 2010... so there's a big gap from his planting it on San Luca to the end of the 2010 season where he made no progression despite having these mysterious 'numbers' that were never mentioned until he started making the likes of Nibali and Rodríguez look like chumps on climbs, whilst in a team committed to developing British riders, that we can't account for.

By most accounts, Chris Froome is a nice guy. He's an affable interview, self-deprecating at times. But he's also the possessor of one of the most suspicious transformations in modern cycling history.
 
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thehog said:
I thought you were ignoring me? Very telling.

Dope for dope - compare the way Contador looks on a bike compared to Froome and Contador looks the best.

What's this fan business? Fan of what?

People don't fall into fans of Sky and not fans of Sky.

You can enjoy cycling outside Sky you know.

You can't have it both ways: doping avenger yet Contador apologist. Why? he's so stylish, so aggressive I don't even care if he dopes. I have read said plenty of times on this forum, didn't expect it from you.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Which, in and of itself is fine.

But the reason to pick that video is because it is literally the only memorable thing Froome had done until stage 9 of the 2011 Vuelta. That day was impressive. There were people (I was among them, one of even the leaders of the group) who believed that Froome was peaking for week 2 there and Löfkvist would take over as domestique of choice for Wiggins in week 3, and so Froome would soft-pedal the ITT and lose several minutes to be fresh for Wiggins.

There were a few moments of vague promise in Froome's 2008 and early 2009. Nothing remotely special, but signs that the guy could be a decent top level rider. In the wake of his Vuelta show, people were rewriting history to say that his being in the break over Croix de Fer and in the heads of state group at the bottom of Alpe d'Huez in 2008 showed that he had the talent to compete for the win at GTs. No it didn't. It was a pretty impressive show for an effective neo-pro in his first GT to have the strength to be in the break at that point. But Johan van Summeren was in that group too - it wasn't like it was élite climbers only. You know who had a more impressive showing in a GT a year later at a young age? Rigoberto Urán. He was everywhere in key moves in week 3. And Ignatas Konovalovas, winning that ITT at the end of the 2009 Giro. You know, the race where Froome performed his only memorable feat until September 2011: pulling a Taaramäe before even Taaramäe got to pull one.

If you look at Froome's career from début to May 2009, then from August 2011 to present, you could perhaps believe the progression. Even then, it'd be a little bit surprising, as other riders have shown more impressively in GTs at a young age, and you would expect them to still be above Froome. But it wouldn't be ridiculous. Unfortunately, I can't unsee May 2009 to August 2011, where he showed little improvement, did nothing of note and was close to losing his contract.

If Sky knew they had a potential British GT winner (and let's face it, even at the start of that Vuelta after showing great form in March and June, we still had no idea whether Wiggins would turn out to be that) on the roster, do you think they'd have let his contract run out? Re-signing him only AFTER that Vuelta only wound up costing them a bunch of money they wouldn't have had to spend if they'd only re-signed their potential GT winner while he was still a nobody, right? They were very quick to say that Froome had always had the 'numbers' to be a GT talent, but if that was the case, how come he'd not benefited at all from Sky's marginal gains at all until that point? The bilharzia (and its convenient relapse excusing him for sucking all year until TdF prep in 2012) accounts for some of that, sure, but he maintained that he caught it at the end of 2010... so there's a big gap from his planting it on San Luca to the end of the 2010 season where he made no progression despite having these mysterious 'numbers' that were never mentioned until he started making the likes of Nibali and Rodríguez look like chumps on climbs, whilst in a team committed to developing British riders, that we can't account for.

By most accounts, Chris Froome is a nice guy. He's an affable interview, self-deprecating at times. But he's also the possessor of one of the most suspicious transformations in modern cycling history.

Wiggins performance at the 2009 Tour actually caught Sky by surprise. Brailsford's original plan was for Cavendish to lead the team until a potential GT winner could be developed which considering Frrome caught Ellingworth's eye in 08 may have been Froome.
 
JimmyFingers said:
You can't have it both ways: doping avenger yet Contador apologist. Why? he's so stylish, so aggressive I don't even care if he dopes. I have read said plenty of times on this forum, didn't expect it from you.

Who said "I don't care that he dope's"?

I just said he looks like a natural on a bike. Very stylish. I appreciate the way he rides even though he dopes hard like Froome-dog. Froome just looks bad all round. He's an alien.

You can't have it both ways Jimmy. I know Froome does your head in. You just can't explain him. No one can.

Maybe Froome is really British? They don't dope like the Italians and French then come back and become heroes :rolleyes:
 
MatParker117 said:
Wiggins performance at the 2009 Tour actually caught Sky by surprise. Brailsford's original plan was for Cavendish to lead the team until a potential GT winner could be developed which considering Frrome caught Ellingworth's eye in 08 may have been Froome.

Wait, I thought it was Ellingworth who was coaching Wiggin's in 2009 whilst at Garmin. So are you saying that even Ellingworth viewed Froome as a bigger GC potential than Wiggin's. Was Wiggins's own coach caught by surprise by his own protege. Something doesn't quite add up here.
 
MatParker117 said:
Wiggins performance at the 2009 Tour actually caught Sky by surprise. Brailsford's original plan was for Cavendish to lead the team until a potential GT winner could be developed which considering Frrome caught Ellingworth's eye in 08 may have been Froome.

What when he was still a Kenyan in 08?

Don't make me laugh.