Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Darryl Webster]

The road ahead:

Wiggins explains that he and Sutton are "going back to what we used to do and he's going to try to guide me through this."

Oh yes, Shane knows full well how to "prepare" and anyone who knows anything about PED use knows its mostly about in training.
Shane certainly has the experience.

 

[Froome19]

No mention of Kerrison anywhere either.

I do not believe I was watching the same film as you..

 

[Freddythefrog]

The road ahead:

Wiggins explains that he and Sutton are "going back to what we used to do and he's going to try to guide me through this."

Oh yes, Shane knows full well how to "prepare" and anyone who knows anything about PED use knows its mostly about in training.
Shane certainly has the experience.

Was a rider Shane helped "prepare" a few years ago Julian Winn ?

 

[martinvickers]

The road ahead:

Wiggins explains that he and Sutton are "going back to what we used to do and he's going to try to guide me through this."

Oh yes, Shane knows full well how to "prepare" and anyone who knows anything about PED use knows its mostly about in training.
Shane certainly has the experience.

You'll be wanting these numbers then :

UK Anti-doping Hotline 08000 32 23 32
ASADA Anti-doping hotline 13 000 27232

No doubt they'll be glad to hear from you.

 

[thehog]

You'll be wanting these numbers then :

UK Anti-doping Hotline 08000 32 23 32
ASADA Anti-doping hotline 13 000 27232

No doubt they'll be glad to hear from you.

Calm down Vickers. Stop being the resident priest around here.

This is serious stuff. It's not telling the headmaster someone skipped class.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You'll be wanting these numbers then :

UK Anti-doping Hotline 08000 32 23 32
ASADA Anti-doping hotline 13 000 27232

No doubt they'll be glad to hear from you.

Again you are confusing Team Sky policy with anti- doping violations.
UKAD & ASADA would be restricted by SOL in investigating any incidents that probably occurred 20 years ago.

 

[martinvickers]

Calm down Vickers. Stop being the resident priest around here.

I'm perfectly calm, Piggy. Seems I'm getting up your nose, though.

Pity, that. Still, never mind.

And to misquote Richard Harris, I'm a lawyer, not a priest. (obligatory reference #1)

This is serious stuff. It's not telling the headmaster someone skipped class.

Yes, it is serious. Too serious to be just a bit of fun snark on a niche website.

If he has evidence, like he claims, send it to the relevant authorities to investigate. That includes his own eye witness testimony.

Otherwise, at best he's a hypocrit, or just as likely, a liar. His choice, of course.

Because all this nudge, nudge, wink, wink is pitiful. It becomes clearer and clearer that a large number of Clinicians don't give a damn about sport, or even doping. It's narcissism - and I feel no obligation to cow-tow to it.

 

[martinvickers]

Again you are confusing Team Sky policy with anti- doping violations.
UKAD & ASADA would be restricted by SOL in investigating any incidents that probably occurred 20 years ago.

Not at all, Dr.

If you look at the ASADA website, they are clear any information, even SOL infomration, is useful for what it might uncover...

From ASADA.gov.au

It doesn’t matter how little information someone provides, it could be a piece of a puzzle leading to an action against someone doping.

I do find it...interesting...(and I'm not including you in this, DR) how many people here who care SOOO much about doping, are entirely unwilling to take any practical step to stamp it out.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Not at all, Dr.

If you look at the ASADA website, they are clear any information, even SOL infomration, is useful for what it might uncover...

But nowhere in that does it say how it would get around SOL.

I do find it...interesting...(and I'm not including you in this, DR) how many people here who care SOOO much about doping, are entirely unwilling to take any practical step to stamp it out.

What is interesting about something that you dont know about?
How many people? Please name them. Do you know if Daryl, as an example has called the authorities or not?

While anyone with information should pass it on to relevant authorities what you have entered in to the discussion is not a "practical step" sa it falls outside SOL.

 

[thehog]

Otherwise, at best he's a hypocrit, or just as likely, a liar. His choice, of course.
.

Careful son. Slow down.

Darryl has immense respect around these parts and for everything he's gone through in terms of his health.

You don't know the half of it.

Until you've doped yourself, seen doping you'll never know what's its like and the toll that its creates.

I think you might need to go chase some billable hours elsewhere.

 

[martinvickers]

Careful son. Slow down.

Darryl has immense respect around these parts and for everything he's gone through in terms of his health.

You don't know the half of it.

Until you've doped yourself, seen doping you'll never know what's its like and the toll that its creates.

I stopped automatically going easy on people with serious illness with Armstrong. If that sounds harsh to Darryl's friends, too bad.

And don't assume I don't know the half of it.

Because I want this sh*t stopped, as far as humanly possible. to prevent it happening to more kids.

And I ain't back down on that - and certainly not for you, Piggy.

 

[thehog]

I stopped automatically going easy on people with serious illness with Armstrong. If that sounds harsh to Darryl's friends, too bad.

Because I want this sh*t stopped, as far as humanly possible. to prevent it happening to more kids.

And I ain't back down on that - and certainly not for you, Piggy.

OK crusade man. I think you need to take your aggression elsewhere.

We don't need another internet hero!

You're not going to save cycling on this forum.

Go donate to the Red Cross. You'll feel better.

 

[martinvickers]

OK crusade man. I think you need to take your aggression elsewhere.

We don't need another internet hero!

You're not going to save cycling on this forum.

Go donate to the Red Cross. You'll feel better.

You can THINK what you like. It is of no importance to me.

As I said before, i've no interest in opinions.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You can THINK what you like. It is of no importance to me.

As I said before, i've no interest in opinions.

Then why are you here?
Also - you have made a lot of claims about what people have or have not done - you also have an insistence on evidence. How do you know that Daryl has not been in touch with any of the relevant authorities?
Is your view merely an opinion - without any actual evidence?

 

[martinvickers]

Then why are you here?

For a variety of reasons, none of them connected to emotional b*llsh*t.

Seriously, you want to me to care what Hog thinks? Really??

Also - you have made a lot of claims about what people have or have not done - you also have an insistence on evidence. How do you know that Daryl has not been in touch with any of the relevant authorities?
Is your view merely an opinion -

I don't know. Hence the conditional statement.

If he has evidence, like he claims, send it to the relevant authorities to investigate. That includes his own eye witness testimony.

Otherwise, at best he's a hypocrit, or just as likely, a liar. His choice, of course.

Conditional statement.

Logic. It's important.

 

[thehog]

For a variety of reasons, none of them connected to emotional b*llsh*t.

Seriously, you want to me to care what Hog thinks? Really??



I don't know. Hence the conditional statement.



Conditional statement.

Logic. It's important.

If you don't care what I think you should ignore me.

Stop replying to me. I have nothing important to say.

Vickers.

 

[ebandit]

sky is blue

sky is blue...........team sky strips are black............why the personal attack?

instead of talking about each other what about the problem inhand...........

............team sky

 

[martinvickers]

If you don't care what I think you should ignore me.

Stop replying to me. I have nothing important to say.

Vickers.

But it's just so much fun calling you on the b*llsh*t, Piggy....

But when you stop commenting on what i write, I'll be happy to return the favour.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

For a variety of reasons, none of them connected to emotional b*llsh*t.

Actually answering a simple question on why you visit here with an answer saying "none of them connected to emotional b*llsh*t" is emotional b*llsh*t.

Seriously, you want to me to care what Hog thinks? Really??

I never mentioned Hog, nor do I care about what they post.

I don't know. Hence the conditional statement.


Conditional statement.

Logic. It's important.

It is - which is why I asked in regards this statement by you and asked who it was you were on about and how you would know.

Not at all, Dr.

If you look at the ASADA website, they are clear any information, even SOL infomration, is useful for what it might uncover...


I do find it...interesting...(and I'm not including you in this, DR) how many people here who care SOOO much about doping, are entirely unwilling to take any practical step to stamp it out.

 

[martinvickers]

Actually answering a simple question on why you visit here with an answer saying "none of them connected to emotional b*llsh*t" is emotional b*llsh*t.

That sounds suspiciously like an opinion, Dr. and you know what I think of them....

 

[Mellow Velo]

I see a whole lot of deleted posts coming on.
In the absence of substance, there's a whole lot of baiting, from both sides, trying to pass as debate.
All off the back of one, empty opinion.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That sounds suspiciously like an opinion, Dr. and you know what I think of them....

That sounds suspiciously like a grand deflection. In fact it's more than a suspicion.
I asked for your opinion earlier about Rogers - you had no problem answering it.

This is an online forum. - a place to discuss and debate a wide variety of topics bringing in a very broad range of (wait for it) opinions.
If you are looking for legally approved reasons for everything then why not just read the UCI reports when a process has been concluded?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Mellow Velo is right.

STOP NOW with the personal stuff, or face suspensions. And stay on topic.

Susan

 

[martinvickers]

Mellow Velo is right.

STOP NOW with the personal stuff, or face suspensions. And stay on topic.

Susan

Suspend away, Susan, if you feel you must.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I'm perfectly calm, Piggy. Seems I'm getting up your nose, though.

Pity, that. Still, never mind.

And to misquote Richard Harris, I'm a lawyer, not a priest. (obligatory reference #1)



Yes, it is serious. Too serious to be just a bit of fun snark on a niche website.

If he has evidence, like he claims, send it to the relevant authorities to investigate. That includes his own eye witness testimony.

Otherwise, at best he's a hypocrit, or just as likely, a liar. His choice, of course.

Because all this nudge, nudge, wink, wink is pitiful. It becomes clearer and clearer that a large number of Clinicians don't give a damn about sport, or even doping. It's narcissism - and I feel no obligation to cow-tow to it.

PMSL.. I've been open enough for quite some time that if my eyewitness account of anything was of any interest to the "relevant authorities " they'd have been in touch. That they have not tells me its all about appearances just as its always been.